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Superdrol/Epistane Log

BorixTheBlade said:
Were the pumps in your lower back? Thats one side I'm sure not excited for.
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water/taurine/potassium (bananas) will combat it

good luck with the cycle bro
 
Yeah, not to mention the testicular atrophy. I've heard that if I didn't make the stupid mistake of dosing too high too quickly that I might have been able to avoid it, but I can most likely take care of it in my PCT.
 
Brian5225 said:
Yeah, not to mention the testicular atrophy. I've heard that if I didn't make the stupid mistake of dosing too high too quickly that I might have been able to avoid it, but I can most likely take care of it in my post cycle therapy.
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hey bri what clone r u using??
 
So I just got Dermacrine in the mail, not Dermacrine Sustain, so I have to figure this all out quick. I emailed nutraplanet but I might just go ahead and return it and reorder. That just kind of pisses me off.
 
just caught up on your log so far, im looking to do a simular stack, maby not with SD but something along those same lines. good luck bro
 
I weighed in mid day on an empty stomach at 188=]. I didn't lift legs today because my hams were too sore from deadlifts yesterday. I will do legs on saturday and log them then. Not too many negative sides to report. I have kind of been in a bad mood the past two days according to my girlfriend and to be honest I have felt kind of crappy. But oh well.
 
Good luck on the cycle B. I will be keeping tabs on this log also. I am gonna run some pheraplex and use the same OTC PCT you are because IMO the research chem route in my eyes is the next avenue the feds are keeping tabs. Personally, I love Superdrol. I ran my first cycle in March with Oxydrol 12 (superdrol clone) and noticed the same thing you did regarding the immediate increase in size. I read about all the sides but I didnt have any. The one 'side effect' i did have was at night when my head hit the pillow i was out within a minute and got the most restful sleep ever. Just be careful not to get greedy with the weight in the gym. You will be amazed at how light everything is after about a week and a half.
 
BorixTheBlade said:
I'm running a 4 week cycle total. The first two weeks Superdrol and Epistane will be stacked, then I drop the Superdrol and bump up the Epi dosage. My theory that I'm testing is, could the 2 weeks of Epistane help control any estrogen rebound from the Superdrol? We'll see I guess.
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If you get rebound effects, it won't be until weeks beyond your pct. Nolvadex is not something that you want to be "waiting for" if rebound or any other gyno issues pop up. Its a safe bet if your going to use anabolics to have a serm and AI on hand just in case. You dont nessesarily have to use them, just have them. JMO.
 
usaftowerdog said:
Good luck on the cycle B. I will be keeping tabs on this log also. I am gonna run some pheraplex and use the same OTC post cycle therapy you are because IMO the research chem route in my eyes is the next avenue the feds are keeping tabs. Personally, I love Superdrol. I ran my first cycle in March with Oxydrol 12 (superdrol clone) and noticed the same thing you did regarding the immediate increase in size. I read about all the sides but I didnt have any. The one 'side effect' i did have was at night when my head hit the pillow i was out within a minute and got the most restful sleep ever. Just be careful not to get greedy with the weight in the gym. You will be amazed at how light everything is after about a week and a half.
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Thanks for the advice man.
 
I have done this, just an fyi, get a cissus supp in there. Your joints will thank me

I agree that the weights will go up like you cant believe, just be smart and not too greedy
 
Day 4 of 28

Just finished up an hour of killing my shoulders. That was by far the most ridiculous workout of the stack. My strength is up a little bit, and it just seemed hard to fail haha. I'll officially have been on Epistane for a week tomorrow so I will update weight then too.

Todays workout:
Arnold Presses, Lateral Raises, Front Raises, Side Punches (not sure of actual name, just know it works), Upright Rows, Smith Shrugs, Dumbell Shrugs.

Shoulders are still pumped as f**k.

Looking forward to arms tomorrow. =]
 
BorixTheBlade said:
How were your gains?
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This was 7 weeks, clean diet, stable program with cardio 3x per week.

I went from 231 to 248. Finished my PCT @239. Have gone on a recomp cut down to 225, but the strength is still there which I cant figure out.

Here is an example.

On seated press I would do 225lbs for 4 reps, during my run I was able to hit 8 no problem, and can now do 7 weighing 226.

Def. a worth while stack IMO
 
Reaper329 said:
This was 7 weeks, clean diet, stable program with cardio 3x per week.

I went from 231 to 248. Finished my post cycle therapy @239. Have gone on a recomp cut down to 225, but the strength is still there which I cant figure out.

Here is an example.

On seated press I would do 225lbs for 4 reps, during my run I was able to hit 8 no problem, and can now do 7 weighing 226.

Def. a worth while stack IMO
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what was your cycle?
 
Day 5 of 28

Okay so I did arms today. It was a good workout and pumps were good as usual. My back is still sore from tuesday. I'm freaking myself out thinking it is my kidneys cause my middle back hurts on both sides. I'll give it a few more days and if it doesn't go away I'll start to worry.

Todays workout:
Preacher Curls, Standing Dumbbell Curls, Incline Hammer Curls, Rope Push Downs, Skull Crushers, Close Grip Bench, Wrist Rolls.
 
I think its already been said but up your water, taurine, and potassium intake and those back pumps should be easier to deal with.
 
BorixTheBlade said:
I'm freaking myself out thinking it is my kidneys cause my middle back hurts on both sides. I'll give it a few more days and if it doesn't go away I'll start to worry.
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Yeah, like above, that's the SD. I didn't have it at all on my first 10mg, 3 week cycle but when I did my 4 week 20mg/110X0 cycle, they were on like donkey kong. Nothing helped at all for me. I just lived through it. I had them for at least two weeks of my 4 week cycle and I think even a bit into my PCT. God those sucked man, I was expecting to piss blood every time I went to the bathroom. I feel for ya.
 
I know, but according to my doctor, I CANNOT get gyno, I had a mastectomy which means to breast tissue which means no gyno I guess
 
aquanutz said:
Yeah, like above, that's the superdrol. I didn't have it at all on my first 10mg, 3 week cycle but when I did my 4 week 20mg/110X0 cycle, they were on like donkey kong. Nothing helped at all for me. I just lived through it. I had them for at least two weeks of my 4 week cycle and I think even a bit into my post cycle therapy. God those sucked man, I was expecting to piss blood every time I went to the bathroom. I feel for ya.
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Yeah it sucks=[, I've gotta get some cissus too, my joints are KILLING me
 
Day 7 of 28

Back pumps have been killing me lately. I had to do inventory at my work today and bending over was a chore. I'm adding potassium into my support stack tomorrow to see if that helps. The Superdrol is now being dosed at 20mgs ED so well see how I handle that. I lift chest/tris tomorrow so I will let you know if strength has gone up or not.
 
Day 8 of 28

Just got done doing chest and triceps. That was an EXPLOSIVE workout. Strength is up, pumps were great, I just felt good. The only bad thing was the back pumps giving me a little pain on bench, but I just dealt with it. I do have another question for the experts. I just got 3 bottles of 4-AD (original ph) and I want to know if there's any way I could employ this into my cycle. Any suggestions would be great guys, you've been amazing so far.
 
BorixTheBlade said:
Just got done doing chest and triceps. That was an EXPLOSIVE workout. Strength is up, pumps were great, I just felt good. The only bad thing was the back pumps giving me a little pain on bench, but I just dealt with it. I do have another question for the experts. I just got 3 bottles of 4-AD (original ph) and I want to know if there's any way I could employ this into my cycle. Any suggestions would be great guys, you've been amazing so far.
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No man don't use it just send it to me and i will make sure its legit!!!!!1:hammer::hammer::hammer:
 
Anyone else? I figured maybe something like this?

This would be my whole cycle, although I'm into week 2

Week 1
Superdrol 10mg
Epistane 20mg
Week 2
Superdrol 20mg
Epistane 20mg
Week 3
Epistane 30mg
4-diol 1000mg
Week 4
Epistane 40mg
4-diol 1000mg
Weeks 5-6
4-diol 1000mg

After that, planned PCT.

Any input?
 
BorixTheBlade said:
Back pumps have been killing me lately. I had to do inventory at my work today and bending over was a chore. I'm adding potassium into my support stack tomorrow to see if that helps. The Superdrol is now being dosed at 20mgs ED so well see how I handle that. I lift chest/tris tomorrow so I will let you know if strength has gone up or not.
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A few people have reported that a mix of Taurine and Beta Alanine wipes out the back pumps. Might be worth a shot.
 
BorixTheBlade said:
Just got done doing chest and triceps. That was an EXPLOSIVE workout. Strength is up, pumps were great, I just felt good. The only bad thing was the back pumps giving me a little pain on bench, but I just dealt with it. I do have another question for the experts. I just got 3 bottles of 4-AD (original ph) and I want to know if there's any way I could employ this into my cycle. Any suggestions would be great guys, you've been amazing so far.
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Ive never done it, but I think 4ad would stack great with either or. Adding test(4ad) to superdrol should help libido and lethargy issues. But as far as throwing it in now, that might be a little much for your first cycle, JMO.
 
Day 10 of 28

Hey guys, sorry I missed yesterdays updates. I did back and bi's and I think the taurine is really helping seeing as back pumps were back to normal.

I've decided to add the 4-androstenediol into my plan making it 2 weeks longer than planned. If anyone has any input please feel free to give it here. I'm open to all suggestions.
 
BorixTheBlade said:
So I just got Dermacrine in the mail, not Dermacrine Sustain, so I have to figure this all out quick. I emailed nutraplanet but I might just go ahead and return it and reorder. That just kind of pisses me off.
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This why you have your PCT lined up BEFORE you start.
 
Worst result: I lose some gains.

Lesson learned then right?

I cannot get a SERM without going over seas and times are tense with that stuff, so I'm not risking it. My nuts will bounce back even if the stuff turns out to be not a good Post Cycle. I've talked to an Endocrinologist about this and he said at my age I will regain normal HPTA function eventually no matter what.
 
BorixTheBlade said:
Worst result: I lose some gains.

Lesson learned then right?

I cannot get a SERM without going over seas and times are tense with that stuff, so I'm not risking it. My nuts will bounce back even if the stuff turns out to be not a good Post Cycle. I've talked to an Endocrinologist about this and he said at my age I will regain normal HPTA function eventually no matter what.
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You can get a serm!
 
Not sourcing but I'm pretty sure there is no legal way to do this other than a doctor. And I dont really trust the research chem labs considering they take credit cards.
 
BorixTheBlade said:
Worst result: I lose some gains.

Lesson learned then right?

I cannot get a SERM without going over seas and times are tense with that stuff, so I'm not risking it. My nuts will bounce back even if the stuff turns out to be not a good Post Cycle. I've talked to an Endocrinologist about this and he said at my age I will regain normal HPTA function eventually no matter what.
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you cant be serious, in all honesty bro you can get a serm for your lab rats! also just waiting for your buddies to bounce on back IS NO WALK IN THE PARK TRUST ME!!! do you know the sides from a crash in PCT depression now im not talking your ordinary "oh i feel depressed" im talking about **** where you wanna ****ing kill youself to make it stop and you dont even know what you want to stop. and frying your buddies wont be fair to yourself in the long run, there is just so much to list! do whats right get a serm, if you have any troubles pm me.
 
I ordered the Torem guys so I will post my reformulated post cycle therapy shortly. I started 4-AD today by the way at 1000mgs. I'm pretty excited to see where this takes me. My weight plateaued so I'm upping my caloric intake. I also upped Epi to 30mg for this next week.
 
logs lookin pretty good, im about to start the same tomorrow. i just wanted to ask when are you taking your epi and sd? i was thinking 1 epi in the morning then another along with 10mg of sd pre workout for the first week.
 
LiftnIron00 said:
logs lookin pretty good, im about to start the same tomorrow. i just wanted to ask when are you taking your epi and superdrol? i was thinking 1 epi in the morning then another along with 10mg of superdrol pre workout for the first week.
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I did Epi in the morning, and superdrol in the morning. Then one Epi with dinner, and when I upped Superdrol to 20mgs I took the second at dinner. I always dose with food because I'm afraid of stomach ulcers haha.
 
I have my post cycle lined up at:

Toremifene:

Days 1-4 120mg
Days 5-13 90mg
Days 14-19 60mg
Days 20-24 30mg (as needed)

Thank you king1033 for helping me with doses.

Do you guys think I should use anything from my original post cycle plan? Or will the torem cover everything?
 
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