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Superdrol: Brilliant for 2 week cycles??

I used PP 30mg for 2.5 weeks gained 10.2 lbs of lean mass, on SD 20mg for the 2nd 2.5 weeks gained 5.1 lbs. went to PCT after 6 weeks. I still seem to be gaining - but not sure if it is fat or muscle, so I will get another Body Fat Test. So I hear you about maximum gains in 2 wks, but I would still go for 4 wks. 6 was likely longer than needed.
 
Have to say this is by far the best SD thread that I have read. I cannot believe it took me this long to find this post.
Has alot of good information. :cheers:
 
DR. D: I do like the idea of 'pulse' cycles. I got a crazy idea i'd like you to critic. I was wondering if you think using 10mg SD 2 or 3 times a week postworkout only would be suppressive? In my mind this is when most hypertrophy occurs, so it's best to add in the androgens then. Because of the low dose and infrequent use, this should not affect lipids and blood pressure. You stated before that m5aa used like this(3x a week) preworkout should have little shutdown, would you say the same for SD used in this manner?

dumb idea, or worth trying?

much appreciated! :)
 
doom3q said:
DR. D: I do like the idea of 'pulse' cycles. I got a crazy idea i'd like you to critic. I was wondering if you think using 10mg superdrol 2 or 3 times a week postworkout only would be suppressive? In my mind this is when most hypertrophy occurs, so it's best to add in the androgens then. Because of the low dose and infrequent use, this should not affect lipids and blood pressure. You stated before that m5aa used like this(3x a week) preworkout should have little shutdown, would you say the same for SD used in this manner?

dumb idea, or worth trying?

much appreciated! :)
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I bet it would work. I've done similar low dose protocols (10mg M14 pre-w/o 3-4x/wk) during the last half of PCTs. The halflife of any oral is at least 6hrs, so I take it pre-w/o to get that extra kick plus load the cals after, but either way is fine. I used M14 because infrequent, low dose dbol is shown to actually boost LH output. Superdrol would be a good choice due to it's strong anabolism and low suppression. Just keep the dose to 10mg I'd say.
 
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If your gonna take a proper post cycle therapy later, you could probably even go with 3on/2off, because 20mg is not that harsh. But your plan looks sound to me. This isn't M1T, so 2on/2off is not set in stone for this one, 3/2 may be a good variant with a good 3 or 4 wk PCT after 3 mini cycles. Know what I mean? Your on/off time will still balance out after 3 months.
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Dr D. how long after you last cycle could you start one of this nature. I am currently on day 19 of my last trn/drol cycle. I am using nolv 40mg weeks 1-2 now at 20 but after reading your posts will be rethinking my PCT for future cycles.
 
mixedup said:
Dr D. how long after you last cycle could you start one of this nature. I am currently on day 19 of my last trn/drol cycle. I am using nolv 40mg weeks 1-2 now at 20 but after reading your posts will be rethinking my post cycle therapy for future cycles.
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If you search around this site, you will see that this idea was a bust due to how horrid your liver lipid levels get even on a 2-3 week cycle.
 
DR.D said:
I bet it would work. I've done similar low dose protocols (10mg M14 pre-w/o 3-4x/wk) during the last half of PCTs. The halflife of any oral is at least 6hrs, so I take it pre-w/o to get that extra kick plus load the cals after, but either way is fine. I used M14 because infrequent, low dose dbol is shown to actually boost LH output. Superdrol would be a good choice due to it's strong anabolism and low suppression. Just keep the dose to 10mg I'd say.
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Anyone actually use superdrol this way? If so, any reports on efficacy?
 
AndroAnarchy said:
i'd still like to know if the 2 week cycles work....
:hammer:
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They work to a certain degree. 2 weeks is about the time you pile all your weight on, but getting off right after that most people turned around and lost the weight they put on. Especially since it was all just glycogen storage which was easily burned away once the SD wasn't there.
 
What if you use nolva afterwards and keep your calroies and protein high. I dont see why prolonging the chemicals in your body would let you retain the weight if its already there. Why do the chemicals have to be in your body for another week in order to retain? :think:
 
AndroAnarchy said:
What if you use nolva afterwards and keep your calroies and protein high. I dont see why prolonging the chemicals in your body would let you retain the weight if its already there. Why do the chemicals have to be in your body for another week in order to retain? :think:
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The weight piled on the first weeks isn't muscle weight. It is water and glycogen forced into the muscles. You have to stay on for a couple weeks in order to let that turn into muscle imo. If you used nolva afterwards, your liver lipids would be screwed up even more and no where near the right range for another oral cycle.
 
oh and also, i know halodrol is different than superdrol. but would a 2 week cycle of halodrol work? or this the same case scenario?
 
AndroAnarchy said:
Since when did water turn into muscle fibers? How does the water and glycogen turn into muscle tissue? :think:
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Your body converts blood glucose into two types of glycogen, liver and muscle glycogen. Muscle glycogen is used to repair muscles for regrowth. Seeing as this cannot happen instantaneously your body stores it and uses it accordingly. Bohica was pointing out that the majority of the weight gained during a 3 week Superdrol cycle is glycogen being stored in your muscles. Unless you maintain training and diet long after your cycle and PCT your muscles will lose that glycogen before they are ever given a chance to use it.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Your body converts blood glucose into two types of glycogen, liver and muscle glycogen. Muscle glycogen is used to repair muscles for regrowth. Seeing as this cannot happen instantaneously your body stores it and uses it accordingly. Bohica was pointing out that the majority of the weight gained during a 3 week Superdrol cycle is glycogen being stored in your muscles. Unless you maintain training and diet long after your cycle and post cycle therapy your muscles will lose that glycogen before they are ever given a chance to use it.
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thank you :bow28:
 
What if someone were to run a 2 week cycle and then like perhaps 5 days off with nolva and then jump back into another 2 week cycle? SD or HD. Maybe it will give it the gap recovery in order to sustain more gains and less shut down?:think:
 
Mulletsoldier said:
IMO briding cycles just isn't a good idea, but that's just me.
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I agree with Mullet. Your body needs a break, even if its only from a 2 week cycle. Its bad enough on your hormonal levels to be getting them all at a whack to begin with, let alone have them up, down, up again, and then down again. Just run a cycle, go into post cycle, then take a break to let your body recover. :D
 
So what about pulse cycles? I think that's what they are called? Correct me if I am wrong please. Where someone takes them so many days a week. I read on a thread somewhere with Dr. D that something like taking SD or HD for 3 days a week or something similar in order to minimize side effects and keep more gains. Anyone have experience with this or have an opinion on this? :type: :think:
 
AndroAnarchy said:
So what about pulse cycles? I think that's what they are called? Correct me if I am wrong please. Where someone takes them so many days a week. I read on a thread somewhere with Dr. D that something like taking superdrol or HD for 3 days a week or something similar in order to minimize side effects and keep more gains. Anyone have experience with this or have an opinion on this? :type: :think:
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If you have no experience with AAS/PH's, then keep it simple. Dont make it anymore difficult than you have to.
 
AndroAnarchy said:
What if someone were to run a 2 week cycle and then like perhaps 5 days off with nolva and then jump back into another 2 week cycle? superdrol or HD. Maybe it will give it the gap recovery in order to sustain more gains and less shut down?:think:
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Either run it for 3-4 weeks and take 3 months off afterwards or don't run it at all. SD messes up your lipids and it takes weeks or even months to get them back in check. Stop trying to find the easy way and go with what is safe.
 
AndroAnarchy said:
So what about pulse cycles? I think that's what they are called? Correct me if I am wrong please. Where someone takes them so many days a week. I read on a thread somewhere with Dr. D that something like taking superdrol or HD for 3 days a week or something similar in order to minimize side effects and keep more gains. Anyone have experience with this or have an opinion on this? :type: :think:
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Pulsing is the first way I ever cycled. I was too scared to take them everyday, so I just did on w/o days. :p It did work, I gained about 10lbs per 6wk cycle on dbol alone and needed no PCT! If I pulsed again, it might be with M1T or something harsh like that. Not sure about halo.
 
I never was a big fan when it came to the concept of a constant hormonal flux. Even when I have tried these new legal orals out of curiosity (PP, HD) I ran them 5-6 weeks. I was never a believer in super short cycles but I must say I'm suprised. With 4-5 weeks of PP you can make some decent gains with very minimal shutdown and no atrophy. This way you can bounce back quick and with good diet and smart training you hold on to a very good percentage of those gains. Experimenting with this style has lead to some of the smoothest transitions I have experienced (notice I didnt say best gains). With a test ester such as enanthate you really dont feel its peaked in concentration until about week 4-5. I must say my ideas of cycling are changing some. I may even give a short 3-4 week superdrol cycle a try and see how it goes. A 2 on 2 off continous SD cycle sounds very foolish though. I dont think anyone should even consider it. SD is still fairly harsh from everything I've read. Dont throw caution out the window when it comes to lipid profiles and BP just because you dont trash your HTPA.
 
I am new here, and I don't want to start any conflicts. With that said, someone on this thread did expirement with this and start a log, but quit after 1 complete mini-cycle.

His blood tests after 1 week into his first mini-post cycle therapy all came back normal (test, cholesterol, lipid), and after his mini-post cycle therapy his gains had stuck. For all intents and purposes, the concept seemed to be panning out for him.

I still looking for others who have tried this and posted a log with blood work, but no luck so far. But what I have found has led credibility to this.
 
Jason_L said:
I am new here, and I don't want to start any conflicts. With that said, someone on this thread did expirement with this and start a log, but quit after 1 complete mini-cycle.

His blood tests after 1 week into his first mini-post cycle therapy all came back normal (test, cholesterol, lipid), and after his mini-post cycle therapy his gains had stuck. For all intents and purposes, the concept seemed to be panning out for him.

I still looking for others who have tried this and posted a log with blood work, but no luck so far. But what I have found has led credibility to this.
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That was me, and the second mini-cycle wasn't successful at all.
 
BOHICA said:
That was me, and the second mini-cycle wasn't successful at all.
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I'm assuming the second cycle screwed up your lipids then? What was your weight gain on the second? Was there worse shutdown issues after the second?
It might be interesting to compare your 2 3-week mini-cycles to a larger 6 week cycle.
 
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That is everything with the first cycle, the second cycle was still at 20 mg because my body couldnt' handle 30, and it destroyed my lipids and libido.
 
BOHICA said:
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That is everything with the first cycle, the second cycle was still at 20 mg because my body couldnt' handle 30, and it destroyed my lipids and libido.
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If we assume for the moment that the lipids/libido were no worse then they would have been w/o the 2 week "break" in the middle, then that leaves gains and test levels. Were the gains anything like the first cycle? did you get shut down eventually?

3/2/3/2/3/P.C.T. may have been too much to hope for, but maybe something shorter along the lines of 2on/2off/2on/P.C.T. would have the same sides as a straight 4wk cycle, but with better gains..

I'd say your expirement wasn't totaly bust. It would appear that the initial quick gains are real, and that you won't immediately lose them as a lot of people feared. It looks like you finished your first 3wk cycle on the 5th, and had bloodwork done on the 9th and 10th. 4 days into a very minor PCT, and your bloodwork came back all normal. So it would appear that you can end the cycle after those initial gains and avoid most of the nastier sides/problems.
 
As far as results, SD would be well suited for short cycles because the gains stick very well. 2wks is not long enough for enzymes to be trashed and I have not seen serious lipid probs under 3wks. However, I can't start at 20mg. I have to start at 10mg to avoid sides. A "mini-cyle" would work best if you can start at a full dose.
 
DR D- if i remember right a few pages back you stated that you wouldnt reccomend Nolva for PCT with a short 2 week cycle (correct me if i am wrong) i have had great success with a product called T-Drive (in conjunction with Nol) i know that it all goes on a person by person basis but would you think that a product like that (T-Drive) would be sufficient for a short cycle like this??

thanks.
 
The T-Drive type of products sound perfect for after a short cycle. You could do a wk or two of Nolva if you really feel shutdown, but it is not strictly required. Only M1T and methyltestosterone ever shut me down that fast, and I'd bounce real quick just by discontinuing them and no PCT at all. After enough times, you will learn to judge it yourself per cycle.
 
thanks for the reply, i have noticed in the past that i can tell when i am really shut down and when i am not. And like you said M1T KILLED me as far as that, SD on the other hand is pretty much the opposite. Ill probally try the 2 weeks then get some blood drawn and go from there. But id really like to get outta the Nolva mindset for every PCT and give my liver a break after hitting it with some form of cycle.

I have also used T-Drive (as i said before) and have had great results, as something that you can find around, even better than the times i used 6-OXO.
 
wildman536 said:
thanks for the reply, i have noticed in the past that i can tell when i am really shut down and when i am not. And like you said M1T KILLED me as far as that, superdrol on the other hand is pretty much the opposite. Ill probally try the 2 weeks then get some blood drawn and go from there. But id really like to get outta the Nolva mindset for every post cycle therapy and give my liver a break after hitting it with some form of cycle.

I have also used T-Drive (as i said before) and have had great results, as something that you can find around, even better than the times i used 6-OXO.
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Exactly wildman536! You have a very smart and healthy understanding of PCT. Don't take foolish chances with it, but don't take more drugs that you really feel you need to either.
 
DR.D said:
The T-Drive type of products sound perfect for after a short cycle. You could do a wk or two of Nolva if you really feel shutdown, but it is not strictly required. Only M1T and methyltestosterone ever shut me down that fast, and I'd bounce real quick just by discontinuing them and no post cycle therapy at all. After enough times, you will learn to judge it yourself per cycle.
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I hear that....I was scared to death of this scenario and then one time the **** hit the fan about 5 weeks into a cycle of test and superdrol and I didnt have nolva on hand right off the bat and just decided to ride it out....was a cake recovery. In fact, I tried it again and the recovery was cake with no post cycle therapy. would I recommend having no PCT? no, of course not. do i think post cycle therapy is blown out of proportion for people who haven't been on cycles for very extended periods of time...helllllll yeah.

all you need for post cycle therapy is bruce lee :bruce2:
 
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I got everything in place for a 4 wk cycle a few months back. All PCT in place. I held off becuase of all the negative sides. I like the sound of the 2 wk cycle. There has been a lot of discusion about repeating (2on/2off/2on...). What do you think of just one 2wk cycle w/ shortened PCT. I have everything, but honestly, the longer cycle just makes me too nervous. thanks....
 
gettingold said:
I got everything in place for a 4 wk cycle a few months back. All post cycle therapy in place. I held off becuase of all the negative sides. I like the sound of the 2 wk cycle. There has been a lot of discusion about repeating (2on/2off/2on...). What do you think of just one 2wk cycle w/ shortened PCT. I have everything, but honestly, the longer cycle just makes me too nervous. thanks....
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Do what you want, but the 2 week cycle is a waste imo. Nothing shorter than 3 or even 4 should be used with SD.
 
i can't believe i started this thread, but I'm happy if people learned from it.

52 weeks of cruise w/ post cycle therapy and blast > 2 weeks of superdrol

running any cycle without test or hcg is completely ridiculous to me now. each to his own though
 
CEDeoudes59 said:
i can't believe i started this thread, but I'm happy if people learned from it.

52 weeks of cruise w/ post cycle therapy and blast > 2 weeks of superdrol

running any cycle without test or hcg is completely ridiculous to me now. each to his own though
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Your traps are lookin' sweet CED! Nice work.
 
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