Superdrol: Brilliant for 2 week cycles??

[CEDeoudes59]

I should have guessed the hair master would be Propecia-ing (bad grammer, if Beowulf is watching) all year round! Does it hurt hardness at all on or off cycle?

Hard to say, I'm on creatine alot too.
Existing Studies or Non-existing studies, aside - I think it limits my natural strength gains. But honestly, I don't care. I'll make strength gains on cycle - and keep my hair off cycle. Maybe a lousy attitude - but that's life - I'm not planning on going pro anytime soon.
:hammer: <-- inserting hammer smiley for no reason.

 

[MorganKane]

For one thing, I think you have way to many methyl's together, especially with the m4, m5 and SD. I would think m5 especially would kinda cancel the SD abilities. Might wanna cut it all out and try SD solo and just give it some time. 30 mg was to high for me, raised my BP and had severe back pains. I'm no expert, and would listen Dr. D if he says anything about it.

I do not take the M5AA daily, only took it that one day for a "boost" in the gym.

Thanks for the suggestion..

 

[garrithv]

thanks for your input grant.

just wanted to actually see how soon I could start a
2nd cycle using SD and s1+. I dont like the idea of being "on"
for 12 weeks though.

I think im gonna do two 6 week courses with 6 week break after
the first cycle and 12 weeks after the second.

 

[Grant]

you need to re-read my post. i never said nolva prevents aromatization. i dont even know where you got that from, but it obviously wasnt me.

and as for the "in theory" business - people take it for systemic estrogen blocking, but it appears to target certain areas (breast tissue) more than others...which is why it's used for gyno flareups, and isnt exactly perfect/complete for PCT. why this is, on a chemical level? i dont know but i'd love to hear why if someone else does.


grant - i dont mind your 10-12 week cycle plan, but i dont really like it either. 1-test gains really slow after 6 weeks, which would make that cycle a helluva waste (and like you said, a PITA to apply for so long)...even with HCG i'd never recommend that cycle. the 6-on 4-off and repeat looks much better.

I got that idea from you saying nolva has you covered on "both fronts" both fronts being an AI and a SERM, which is what I thought you meant.

Like I said, Nolva acts as an Anti Estrogen in some tissues and an estrogen in others, I also dont know why but wouldlike to hear why.

I gave him 2 cycle plans because I like to recover completly after cycles, so I dont neccesarily agree with running 2 cycles without completly recovering in between them, and he asked for 2 cycles in 16-18 weeks. I gave him 2 in 16. In my experience with 1-test and 1-test cyp, the gains did not slow or end after 6 weeks. The only issues with running that cycle for 10-12 weeks would be A) Lack of HCG and B)PITA to apply for that long, but if he is willing to apply it for that long, I think he would keep more gains then running two cycles in such a short tme. The longer the gains have time to "set in" the more likeyl you are to keep them. Thats great that you would never reccomend that cycle, I would never do it myself, unless I was pinning the 1test and 4ad, I personally hate transdermals, but have seen people run them for that long.

Funny how you had to even comment on what I said I personally believe(clomid better then nolva), if you read the boards you will find there is quite a dissagreement on whether nolva is more effective then clomid/ vice versa.

About the HCG comment, do a search, you will actully find that many people here use HCG on short cycles (8 weeks and even less sometimes) I have never used HCG, but if I did, I would use it on every cycle. I usually use IGF-1 and find that it brings my nuts back to full size, but that doenst mean much in terms of suppression.

About the DHEA that Dr. D suggest in use for PCT, he suggests such a small dose, that supression would be non existant from it, I think he suggests something like 200mgs?

 

[Grant]

thanks for your input grant.

just wanted to actually see how soon I could start a
2nd cycle using SD and s1+. I dont like the idea of being "on"
for 12 weeks though.

I think im gonna do two 6 week courses with 6 week break after
the first cycle and 12 weeks after the second.

Sounds good, That would put you in the 2 cycles in 18 weeks rather then in 16 weeks. I like that idea better. Let us know about your results.

 

[blank!]

I got that idea from you saying nolva has you covered on "both fronts" both fronts being an AI and a SERM, which is what I thought you meant.

"both fronts" meaning that both the ways that the body produces estrogen are theoretically blocked - nolva doesnt care where the estrogen came from - it would block aromatized estrogen same as the other....considering that the estrogen in your body during PCT is mostly NOT from aromatization (as you're not making as much test) but from the body's attempt at keeping hormones elevated and only having estrogen at its disposal. this is why an AI is not ideal for PCT but perfect on a test cycle when virtually all the estrogen is from the test.

Funny how you had to even comment on what I said I personally believe(clomid better then nolva), if you read the boards you will find there is quite a dissagreement on whether nolva is more effective then clomid/ vice versa.

About the DHEA that Dr. D suggest in use for PCT, he suggests such a small dose, that supression would be non existant from it, I think he suggests something like 200mgs?

i never said that clomid is "better" than nolva - only that it is known FACT that it stimulates HPTA axis better, which was what you had an "opinion" about. you're seeing too much black and white and not reading my posts carefully....i dont like to condescend with TOO much explanation - if i am unclear in my posts let me know.

i personally think that nolva is often preferred to minimize the risk of the worst possible PCT occurrence - gyno. but if you use it solo you wont come back as fast as if you had incorporated clomid.

dr.d could you explain your rationale for dhea post-cycle? i can only think of negatives for it...is it because (in layman's terms that i'm comfortable with) it gives your body natural options for converting hormones? it can be progesterone, estradiol, test or nortest, right? what's the advantage? seems like introducing a big variable into your system, as one wouldnt know how one's body will metabolize the stuff...

 

[raylewis]

With SD for example over 8/8 wks:
wk1: 10mg
wk2-3: 20mg
wk4-5: 30mg
wk6-7: 40mg
wk8: 20mg, start PCT
wk9-12: 10mg, cont. PCT
wk13-16: finish PCT

This sounds interesting Dr D. I may run this starting this week.

I'm thinking about running Tri-Max w/ SD the 1st 4 weeks.

 

[Lakevillethor]

I am gonna add my $.02 here. I am currently running SD with 500 mg test prop per week. The first week, I was up 10 pounds so I went off the SD for the second week --- I was gaining too fast in addition to having lower back pain. In this first week, almost all of the gains were from the SD --- the prop usually takes a week or so to kick in.

The second week (actually 6 days) I just ran the prop and the prop helped me maintain the gains felt while using the SD --- I gained 1 pound in that entire week.

Now I am starting my third week (I was actually off SD for 6 days), I would expect that I will continue to gain size. I DO NOT agree with being on SD for two weeks at a time. There is no way you will retain your gains --- honestly, how much size can you put on in two weeks. Even more important is how much you would retain if you were to bail on the cycle after 2 weeks.

Additionally, I think it is irrational to suspect that this compound shuts you down any less hard than M1T.

 

[TheManGuy]

Why is it irrational. m1t hes been proven over and over to shut you down harder than any other steriod.

While we are still waiting for more bloodwork or superdrol, the intial impression on suppresion has been faverable.

Your asuming it's as harsh on the hpta as m1t, while almost no other steroid in existence is?

 

[Lakevillethor]

Why is it irrational. m1t hes been proven over and over to shut you down harder than any other steriod.

While we are still waiting for more bloodwork or superdrol, the intial impression on suppresion has been faverable.

Your asuming it's as harsh on the hpta as m1t, while almost no other steroid in existence is?

Let me rephrase. I meant to say that I think it is irrational to suspect that SD does not shut you down as some are speculating...

 

[youi09]

They arn't assuming it wont shut you down, they are assuming its minimum. I'm in on the third week at 30 mg and I'm my 2 buddies are essentially the same size as when I started, maybe a tad bit smaller but nothing like or m1t or other compounds.

 

[Lakevillethor]

They arn't assuming it wont shut you down, they are assuming its minimum. I'm in on the third week at 30 mg and I'm my 2 buddies are essentially the same size as when I started, maybe a tad bit smaller but nothing like or m1t or other compounds.

I have no idea what you said in your second sentence. How do you know it's not shutting you down BTW? Are you having blood work done? People respond so differently to andrgens it baffles me to see people use an n=1 experiment to prove anything. Just because it doesn't shut down joe blo, doesn't mean it won't shut you down or vise versa. It's like people are open to the different ways the compounds affect people in terms of how they respond anabolically, but think their internal HPTA are all exactly the same. I am not trying to start **** here --- i am simply saying that PCT is just as important with SD as it is with any other androgen.

In terms of its androgenic profile, I would concur with others that it does not seem to be as androgenic. Typically when I run ANY 1-test prodcut, my prostate has issues and I have since not used 1-test (or any form of 1-test) and turned to test as a the only thing I will run. SD does not seem to aggravate my prostate like other 1-test compounds.
-AT

 

[Grant]

"both fronts" meaning that both the ways that the body produces estrogen are theoretically blocked - nolva doesnt care where the estrogen came from - it would block aromatized estrogen same as the other....considering that the estrogen in your body during PCT is mostly NOT from aromatization (as you're not making as much test) but from the body's attempt at keeping hormones elevated and only having estrogen at its disposal. this is why an AI is not ideal for PCT but perfect on a test cycle when virtually all the estrogen is from the test.


i never said that clomid is "better" than nolva - only that it is known FACT that it stimulates HPTA axis better, which was what you had an "opinion" about. you're seeing too much black and white and not reading my posts carefully....i dont like to condescend with TOO much explanation - if i am unclear in my posts let me know.

i personally think that nolva is often preferred to minimize the risk of the worst possible PCT occurrence - gyno. but if you use it solo you wont come back as fast as if you had incorporated clomid.

dr.d could you explain your rationale for dhea post-cycle? i can only think of negatives for it...is it because (in layman's terms that i'm comfortable with) it gives your body natural options for converting hormones? it can be progesterone, estradiol, test or nortest, right? what's the advantage? seems like introducing a big variable into your system, as one wouldnt know how one's body will metabolize the stuff...

Well that is much more clear, I thought you meant both fronts calling Nolva an AI and a SERM. I dont think an AI by itself is ideal for PCT, and would certainly never use an AI like letro for PCT (as it has a negative effect on Lipid Profiles). But 6oxo lacks this negative effect on Lipid Profiles and it boost test through a different mechanism then Nolva/Clomid. Like the rest of us, I like to recover as quickly as possible after a cycle, so I use all 3 compounds.

I agree, using an AI during a cycle of aromatizeable steroids is a good idea if problems arise.

I know you never said that clomid is better then nolva, must you break down my posts so much? Regardless if my opinion is a fact, because I beleive in it, it is also my opinion. And many people disagree with this so called "fact", I am not one of them.

I am reading your post plenty careful, but you didnt make it clear when you said covered on "both fronts". Now that you explained it, I understand, but I dont understand why it was needed to be said, as there is no reason one would believe that Nolva would "protect" agaisnt certain types of estrogen, but not others.

I personally use Nolva during PCT because it:
A) Stimulates the HPTA
B)Prevents Gyno
C) Has a positive effect on lipid profiles (due to its ability to act as an estrogen in the liver)

I dont think you are too condecending in your recent posts, but in your early ones you were. Its not that it hurts my feelings or some gay ****, its that most of us are here so we dont have to deal with BS like on other boards. Anyways, welcome to AM.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I have no idea what you said in your second sentence. How do you know it's not shutting you down BTW? Are you having blood work done? People respond so differently to andrgens it baffles me to see people use an n=1 experiment to prove anything. Just because it doesn't shut down joe blo, doesn't mean it won't shut you down or vise versa.

I agree, I feel more suppressed than I thought I would at this point (day 4). But if this is as bad as it get - then SD isn't very suppressive at all. The recovery in PCT may be the best indicator.

 

[youi09]

I have no idea what you said in your second sentence. How do you know it's not shutting you down BTW? Are you having blood work done? People respond so differently to andrgens it baffles me to see people use an n=1 experiment to prove anything. Just because it doesn't shut down joe blo, doesn't mean it won't shut you down or vise versa. It's like people are open to the different ways the compounds affect people in terms of how they respond anabolically, but think their internal HPTA are all exactly the same. I am not trying to start **** here --- i am simply saying that PCT is just as important with SD as it is with any other androgen.

In terms of its androgenic profile, I would concur with others that it does not seem to be as androgenic. Typically when I run ANY 1-test prodcut, my prostate has issues and I have since not used 1-test (or any form of 1-test) and turned to test as a the only thing I will run. SD does not seem to aggravate my prostate like other 1-test compounds.
-AT

I'm sorry, what I was trying to say is that I think it is safe to assume it doesn't shut you down as hard as m1t because of the feedback from users. I was saying that my balls have barely shrunk, only a tad bit but not to any signifcant extent at all and I believe that is good assurance that the shutdown is rather mild compared to other compounds.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

Youi09 - on that note, how much have you gained?

 

[youi09]

I began at 194 lbs , 5 10, 10 percent bfat. I dropped to 192 and today the scale is reading 207 lbs. Today is the 17th day since I started. I began with 10 mg first week, and bumped to 20 half of second and have been running 20 on off days after taht and 30 on ON days since then. I'm assuming a 2-3 lbs are fat, and rest dry gains. My strength has improved every training session thus far, I'm very impressed.

 

[natedogg]

I'm weighing in at a steady 222 lbs. going into my 4th and final week. BF appears to be unchanged. Strength is increasing slighty, but nothing to write home about. Have encountered a few side effects as of late. Lower back is starting to become tight on a consistant basis. Nothing too bad though. I also checked my BP today and my diastolic was 74 which is fine, but my systolic was 144 which is a little high. I'm sure this will subside as soon as I cycle off seeing as I've NEVER had a problem with BP before. Not too worried about it at the moment. Like I've said before, we'll see how much I can keep after the 4 weeks PCT. That's what matters to me.

 

[DR.D]

Hmm interesting, how long did you do this for? Did you just take it Preworkout? How much did you take? Did you do a PCT after you were finished?

Thanks for the help D

In high school I did this many times. Start at like 15mg EOD pre-workout only and pyramid up maxing at about 40mg and going back down right at the end. I would use 500mg total/cycle and still gain about 10lb's/cycle like this. Then no PCT. I never got suppressed, and the gains were small, but still nice if your looking to avoid major sides. It's called pulse technique, and it would probably be great for M1T.

 

[DR.D]

I wish I was a non responder to cheese burgers and pizza and not expensive PH :twisted:

Im on day 16 or something I think, I am looking forward to when this really kicks...

That's funny! I wish I was a pizza non-responder too, but I'd say eat big and up the dose to 30-40mg/d range. Other, inferior methyls may inhibit some of it's benefits by competative binding inhibition at the receptor, but if the dose of SD is high enough, probably not as long as the others were staggered in the dosing times and their dose minimized. Also, eat the cheese burgers. It's better to eat sloppy than not eat on a bulking cycle. I made that mistake with SD and my gains were compromised I believe.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

Nate - what was your starting weight, 210 - if i remember correctly?

 

[CEDeoudes59]

In high school I did this many times. Start at like 15mg EOD pre-workout only and pyramid up maxing at about 40mg and going back down right at the end. I would use 500mg total/cycle and still gain about 10lb's/cycle like this.

Sorry I missed it - What compound are we talking about here?

 

[natedogg]

Nate - what was your starting weight, 210 - if i remember correctly?

Well technically it was 204. Gained 3 lbs in 2 weeks using M1T/4AD. Started using the SD and M4OHN directly after at 207 lbs. Now I'm at 222 lbs putting me at a grand total of 18 lbs gained in about 5 weeks.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

Nate-
that's sick - Just SD over M1T, for gains (side-effects aside)?


From my own thread:
I'm up 4-7lbs in 4 days.

I really believe this compound is perfect for my body type and metabolism.
I'm probably 80% ecto, 20% meso. Rocket fast metabolism, lose strength easy and big time while cutting. Can cut fat without cardio.

I'm on a clean diet, and no cardio, I'm up at least 4lbs in 4days, no bloat and noticably leaner. I do respond very well to anabolics.

 

[BOHICA]

Guess we should probably change the title of this thread to great for 3 week cycles? Since that is the lowest most people (including me) are wanting to go.

P.S. Dr. D read your PM please!!

 

[DR.D]

dr.d could you explain your rationale for dhea post-cycle? i can only think of negatives for it...is it because (in layman's terms that i'm comfortable with) it gives your body natural options for converting hormones? it can be progesterone, estradiol, test or nortest, right? what's the advantage? seems like introducing a big variable into your system, as one wouldnt know how one's body will metabolize the stuff...

Yes, it supplies your body with the most abundant steroid found in a man. DHEA is the mother of all 17-keto steroids. After a cycle, adreanal suppression is high, so taking DHEA keeps your cortisol from bouncing back so hard, not to mention the cortisol antagonizing effects of DHEA itself. Plus, it's a fair androgen on it's own, and can maintain libido and support test production when your natural test levels are still low. I used it for years when it first came out, my balls only got bigger, so estrone conversion must be very negligable. One day, when I stop cycling, I'll still use DHEA, that's how important I believe it is. It also has other funtions, like regulation of normal sleep cycles and reinforces melatonins anti-e effects and GH boosting benefits. I know that what works for me won't work for all, but give it a try. Even if it doesn't help you, it sure can't hurt much.

 

[goyard]

keep this thread going, ive learned more from this thread then Ive learned all month.

 

[Yjyankee]

same here!:box: to all of you that know so much about this! I start my SD tomorrow. I'm running it solo. I'll be getting my annual company physical first thing in the morning, so I can get accurate weight & blood levels, then off to the Y for a BF analysis.

 

[boomr]

lakevillethor,

I am contemplating doing a prop/sd cycle down the road, as I have some prop and 4 more bottles of sd. Doing a 6 week sd only cutter. I love it, 3 week in I am up almost 10 lbs, down a couple percent bf and strength up slightly. Just wanted to maintain muscle and it seems to do that well. glad i loaded up with 5 bottles originally.

Anyway, would the prop/sd be a good bulker down the road. I have 4ad trans and some m1t also. Just figured I would use up the prop since I have. Hcg on hand if I go long enough also, and of course nolva. Very gyno prone, got a small lump each side from a aas cycle long time ago. Not noticeable, cept by me, but I am very cautious now. was then come to think of it...oh well.

 

[DR.D]

lakevillethor,

I am contemplating doing a prop/sd cycle down the road, as I have some prop and 4 more bottles of sd. Doing a 6 week sd only cutter. I love it, 3 week in I am up almost 10 lbs, down a couple percent bf and strength up slightly. Just wanted to maintain muscle and it seems to do that well. glad i loaded up with 5 bottles originally.

Anyway, would the prop/sd be a good bulker down the road. I have 4ad trans and some m1t also. Just figured I would use up the prop since I have. Hcg on hand if I go long enough also, and of course nolva. Very gyno prone, got a small lump each side from a aas cycle long time ago. Not noticeable, cept by me, but I am very cautious now. was then come to think of it...oh well.

I bet that was in the days before letro, huh? Teeny-tiny doses of letro protect me so well, it still amazes me how well it works with test to prevent gyno. Test/SD is what I was thinking for my next bulker. I'm impressed that you can cut so well with SD. Your diet must be great, I wasn't even sure if it could be applied that well for cutting.

 

[blank!]

just a note to all: 4 weeks of moderate shutdown is not that much better than 2 weeks of nearly complete shutdown. HPTA response is duration-dependent (one of the reasons i prefer short cycles).

grant: i'm not a newb damnit! didnt know nolva has a positive effect on liver profiles. not saying you're wrong...i've just seen it mentioned that it's mildly hepatoxic (although i've had blood tests while on nolva and they came back within range)

dr.d i will look into DHEA's use in PCT but i dont think i'll convert. i run clomid/nolva after every cycle regardless of duration and potency, and i have never taken longer than 10 days to snap back (using the only real barometers short of blood testing: testes size, libido, pimples going away)...i guess i dont like the idea of using an androgen during PCT, even one as biologically common as dhea.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

If you go 4weeks on Superdrol - please plan do the full PCT.

 

[rrgg]

I also checked my BP today and my diastolic was 74 which is fine, but my systolic was 144 which is a little high.

Nate- Is your systolic usually below 120? I was wondering if any SD users are monitoring BP, but yours is the first post I noticed on this.

Also, was this the first BP measurement you took during the 4 week cycle? Thanks.

 

[youi09]

I'm in on third week and mine is in the 140s as well. Mine is usually below 120

 

[Lakevillethor]

lakevillethor,

I am contemplating doing a prop/sd cycle down the road, as I have some prop and 4 more bottles of sd. Doing a 6 week sd only cutter. I love it, 3 week in I am up almost 10 lbs, down a couple percent bf and strength up slightly. Just wanted to maintain muscle and it seems to do that well. glad i loaded up with 5 bottles originally.

Anyway, would the prop/sd be a good bulker down the road. I have 4ad trans and some m1t also. Just figured I would use up the prop since I have. Hcg on hand if I go long enough also, and of course nolva. Very gyno prone, got a small lump each side from a aas cycle long time ago. Not noticeable, cept by me, but I am very cautious now. was then come to think of it...oh well.

My $.02 on the cycle is that the SD will hinder the amount of bloat you typically feel with test. I have only ran test before and I get HORRIBLE face bloat with it. This time, however, I am putting on even more weight and have a leaner face.

I would like to sit here and say that I am really strict wiht my diet but I am not really. I get in about 5 meals a day but I eat pretty clean. I would highly recommend the cycle with prop.

 

[BOHICA]

I'm in on third week and mine is in the 140s as well. Mine is usually below 120

Same, I normally sit 100-110 and mine was around 140

Nate- Is your systolic usually below 120? I was wondering if any SD users are monitoring BP, but yours is the first post I noticed on this.

Also, was this the first BP measurement you took during the 4 week cycle? Thanks.

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[boomr]

thanks lake and drd, i have kept up on the diet this time and happy I did so. I am glad you think sd and prop are a good mix, I love letro also since it has worked the best for me in small doses to keep gyno away, so I will probably do the combo with letro to bulk up. the info is much appreciated.

 

[XxCrisisxX]

Dr D., how much letro would you recommend? Would .5mg's EOD be sufficient?

 

[DR.D]

Dr D., how much letro would you recommend? Would .5mg's EOD be sufficient?

I'd say 0.1mg/d per every 500mg Test En, or Cyp being used. Even on fat does of test, 0.2mg letro is the highest I've gone. 0.5mg/d offers max test suppression. More is not better in this case, only use what you need. 0.5mg EOD is max for 99% I'd guess. I'm gyno prone too.

 

[XxCrisisxX]

Yea, I thought Dbol gave me gyno last cycle and I high dosed nolva to knock it out. Worked great too. Now, week two into my Transdermal Test/Superdrol cycle, gyno flared up again. I've been hittin the nolva for three days now and it's almost gone...just a little sensitive.

I've learned my lesson...letro from now on. Thanx for your help Dr. D.

 

[DR.D]

I've learned my lesson...letro from now on.

Yeah, I hear that. Learned my lesson too. Throw some motrin in the mix at 200mg/8hr too for a few days, it's anti-e effects are noticable with gyno flare ups.

 

[BryanM]

Letro is some strong stuff I actually have gyno and have successfully cycled with it at 1.25mg ed which is super exrteme but Im worried about my gyno getting any bigger.

 

[XxCrisisxX]

Motrin, huh? I'll look into gettin some. Do you have any studies/links I could look at regarding motrin? Nolva is workin pretty good right now.

Lesson of the day. Don't start a cycle without your ancillaries.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I am a believer that Vitex can help out with gyno, and possibily pre-existing gyno too.

 

[DR.D]

Motrin, huh? I'll look into gettin some. Do you have any studies/links I could look at regarding motrin? Nolva is workin pretty good right now.

Lesson of the day. Don't start a cycle without your ancillaries.

Here's a PubMed article, they're all over:

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I've used the protocol before of Nolva/Motrin and it does shrink faster. I always use Motrin when gyno even acts like it might start. Then if it doesn't stop it, I add the SERM as a last resort (I don't care for SERM's too much and avoid them as much as possible)

 

[XxCrisisxX]

Thanx Dr. D. Your always a big help.

 

[DR.D]

Just glad to offer the knowledge. It's taken many years to learn the fundamentals and many mistakes to learn the limits and 'tricks.' I like to take advantage of synergy in my med combos to reduce the amount of Nolva needed in this case and avoid toxicity. Plus, the qualitative benefits are greater with the combo than with either drug alone. As long as you have no contraindications or allergy to ibuprofen, it won't hurt to try it. It's the cheapest anti-e you can find!

 

[Syr]

I cant take NSAIDs for more than 4 days continuously. I had a gastrix reflux last year after 6 days.

What about celecoxib? Would enhance nolva action or not?

 

[DR.D]

I cant take NSAIDs for more than 4 days continuously. I had a gastrix reflux last year after 6 days.

What about celecoxib? Would enhance nolva action or not?

I take them with food because on an empty stomach has caused me to bleed too before. Celecoxib would work by the same mechanism as cited in the above article I posted previously. You can use pepcid or an acid neutralizer like Tums if you want to try and avoid reflux, but if that doesn't work and food doesn't help, I'd just leave it alone. You don't need an ulcer, and some people are just sensative to this kind of stuff no matter what. But it helps gyno flare-ups if stacked w/ Nolva. I've also used it with low letro for preventative therapy on high dose cycles.

 

[Syr]

Celecoxib would work by the same mechanism as cited in the above article I posted previously.

Good, I will get it and keep it on hand next time I run 4AD