Superdrol: Brilliant for 2 week cycles??

[DR.D]

BOHICA, a good starting dose is 1.3 to 2.6g/d. Increase it 0.6-1.2g the second wk on a mini-PCT.

 

[blank!]

That is where I got the idea it would be ok for the DHEA/Fen mini-PCT

Also how much fen per day in my mini-PCT's?

ok....keeping in mind that dr.d is one of very few proponents of dhea for young men in PCT. i'm not saying i can contradict his assertions with studies (dont feel like searching right now), but i can affirm that very few people (that i've read about) under 30 employ dhea in PCT...remember the stuff converts to andro-dione (if my memory serves me), not the happiest compound ever.

 

[blank!]

I want to go on 2 6week cycles in a 14-16 week period
using s1+ and SD. Any suggestions as to cycling it?

My thoughts were 6weeks s1+ 10sprays a day and 20mg SD,
2-4 weeks off and then the same cycle and do a long PCT?

wow - that is at the top of the list for horrible cycle plans. you will remain suppressed for the entire 16 weeks - potentially more detrimental to your berries than a proper test-based AAS cycle. it takes 2 weeks to get back properly using nolva/clomid after 6 weeks on...so at NO point during that proposed cycle will your test be 100%...and would only be close for a whopping 7 days tops.

run gear or stick with single 6-week cycles followed by full PCT and a break if you want to keep on keepin' on. it's one of the big pros about these PH - short cycles means less overall suppression...also means that big gains tend to crank up BP and cause stretch marks (as these are growth AND time-dependent), but that's another issue altogether.

 

[DR.D]

wow - that is at the top of the list for horrible cycle plans. you will remain suppressed for the entire 16 weeks - potentially more detrimental to your berries than a proper test-based AAS cycle. it takes 2 weeks to get back properly using nolva/clomid after 6 weeks on...so at NO point during that proposed cycle will your test be 100%...and would only be close for a whopping 7 days tops.

run gear or stick with single 6-week cycles followed by full PCT and a break if you want to keep on keepin' on. it's one of the big pros about these PH - short cycles means less overall suppression...also means that big gains tend to crank up BP and cause stretch marks (as these are growth AND time-dependent), but that's another issue altogether.

Hey Blank, I think you may need to ask your doc to increase your meds, cause the ADD is starting to act up again!

Really, you should be more careful about voicing your pessimistic generalization. You can disagree if you like, but he doesn't have " the top of the list horribler plan " And yes DHEA can convert to andro, and test, and many other things, but your really going to say test would be better! Test is the worst at suppression!! 1T is far kinder in my experience, and SD is nada for all practical purposes. Maybe you should at least try some of these things before you develope such a strong opinion about it.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

per my original suggestion(s):

The PCT only has to be 4weeks.
6 weeks ON
4 weeks PCT
2 weeks OFF
6 weeks ON
--------------
total (18weeks)

then:
4 weeks PCT
6-8 weeks OFF



Even still, that's aggressive, most will tell you:
6 weeks ON
4 weeks PCT
6 weeks OFF
6 weeks ON
----------------
(22 weeks)

then
4 weeks PCT
12 weeks OFF

 

[Grant]

i wouldnt recommend taking dhea solo. i also wouldnt recommend taking 6OXO and nolva together. there's just no point to it.

Blank, although you dont have too much of an atitude in this post, you may want to watch your tone if you want people here to listen to you.

There absolutely is a point to taking 6oxo and Nolva together, and it is actully better then running either solo. Nolva is an SERM and will not work to reduce circulation estrogen levels (it actully increases them if I am not mistaken), it occupies estrogen receptors with a weaker estrogen then actual estrogen, but the thing its, it has a stronger affinity for the estrogen receptor then actual estrogen does, so it fills thes receptors thereby blocking estrogen from excerting an effect in certain tissues (breast tissue), while acting as an estrogen in other places (the liver, and this is benificial to blood lipid profiles). 6oxo on the other hand, is an AI (anti aromatase), this actully helps to reduce circulating estrgen levels by binding to aromatase and preventing it from converting testosterone into estrogen. This allows test levels to stay higher, and estrogen levels to stay lower. (Estrogen is one of the things that keep test levels in check, high estrogen has a negative effect on test levels) So by taking both we can block the estrogen receptor, and lower estrogen levels. Nolva acts in other ways to boost test but these are just basics.


Damn that was a long post.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

my recovery was moderately faster with 6oxo & Nolva, rather than simply Nolva.

 

[GatorGrappler]

I know a lot of people use 6-oxo for PCT, but does it really work? I mean, I know that it's a suicide substrate (that would be great if your on test) but how does it work to reduce estrogen expression if no estrogen is elevated? I mean, does it really elevate test if your estrogen levels are normal? I've never used it but hear people saying it works all the time, but just don't see how. Does it work for you?

I have used it for all but one cycle, and I think it works great. My testicles can be the size of peanuts, and in about a week they are huge, bigger than ever. Plus my recovery from the PH cycle is great when using 6OXO.

 

[DR.D]

I have used it for all but one cycle, and I think it works great. My testicles can be the size of peanuts, and in about a week they are huge, bigger than ever. Plus my recovery from the PH cycle is great when using 6OXO.

Wow, that's what I keep hearing, so I believe it. I can only imagine how well the new DS stuff will work. Should be even better than 6-oxo, based on it's strength.

 

[Grant]

I know a lot of people use 6-oxo for PCT, but does it really work? I mean, I know that it's a suicide substrate (that would be great if your on test) but how does it work to reduce estrogen expression if no estrogen is elevated? I mean, does it really elevate test if your estrogen levels are normal? I've never used it but hear people saying it works all the time, but just don't see how. Does it work for you?

I dont know exactly how it works, but I would guess it works by reducing estrogen expression when there is enough aromatase/test to make a difference. 6oxo is a staple in all of my PCT's.

 

[DR.D]

I dont know exactly how it works, but I would guess it works by reducing estrogen expression when there is enough aromatase/test to make a difference. 6oxo is a staple in all of my PCT's.

Yeah, just by it's mode of action, I would guess it would help raise test but not like a SERM though. I've used Teslac, it's a good steroidal AI, and never noticed any testicular size increase, but this is during test cycles, so maybe I just should have kept it going through PCT. **** is crazy expensive though.

 

[Grant]

Yeah, just by it's mode of action, I would guess it would help raise test but not like a SERM though. I've used Teslac, it's a good steroidal AI, and never noticed any testicular size increase, but this is during test cycles, so maybe I just should have kept it going through PCT. **** is crazy expensive though.

Yea, I agree that it would not work like a SERM to raise test, and I would rather use nolva or clomid by themselves then use 6oxo by itself.

 

[blank!]

Blank, although you dont have too much of an atitude in this post, you may want to watch your tone if you want people here to listen to you.

There absolutely is a point to taking 6oxo and Nolva together, and it is actully better then running either solo. Nolva is an SERM and will not work to reduce circulation estrogen levels (it actully increases them if I am not mistaken), it occupies estrogen receptors with a weaker estrogen then actual estrogen, but the thing its, it has a stronger affinity for the estrogen receptor then actual estrogen does, so it fills thes receptors thereby blocking estrogen from excerting an effect in certain tissues (breast tissue), while acting as an estrogen in other places (the liver, and this is benificial to blood lipid profiles). 6oxo on the other hand, is an AI (anti aromatase), this actully helps to reduce circulating estrgen levels by binding to aromatase and preventing it from converting testosterone into estrogen. This allows test levels to stay higher, and estrogen levels to stay lower. (Estrogen is one of the things that keep test levels in check, high estrogen has a negative effect on test levels) So by taking both we can block the estrogen receptor, and lower estrogen levels. Nolva acts in other ways to boost test but these are just basics.

jesus you think i/we dont know how nolva and 6OXO work? you a new mod? cuz the others wouldnt condescend to this board with that elementary stuff.

not to mention your logic is flawed. IN THEORY nolva blocks estrogen at the receptor - yeah....where does that estrogen come from??? BOTH from aromatization of your (temporarily reduced) test AND from endogenous estrogen (which isnt a whole lot generally)....so nolva really does have you covered on both fronts. now nolva is very dose-specific of course, and the 40mg we generally do wont bring you back TOO fast as it doesnt block ALL estrogen at that dosage nor does it stimulate HPTA like clomid (see next section)

now, IN PRACTICE....clomid actually stimulates HPTA moreso than nolva...nolva is not known for snapping you back like clomid (the reason why long AAS cycles are generally chased by 300mg clomid)....and yeah, users report big nuts with 6OXO whch SUGGESTS gonad stimulus (not necessarily test production - but at least something is happening)

 

[kwyckemynd00]

....whch SUGGESTS gonad stimulus (not necessarily test production - but at least something is happening)

Maybe 6oxo somehow convinces the testes to store glycogen? :think: j/k

I think you need to research Dr. D and some of the bro's a little more. Just because he's not using his "extensive vocabulary" doesn't mean he doesn't have one

If you care to disagree with someone, do so without acting like a jerk. If you care to disagree with Dr. D, you better be better about your whits than Patrick Arnold b/c the good Dr. had him on his heels...just hope you never have to see that side of Doc. D LOL.

 

[Grant]

I tried to be nice when telling you to watch how you come across. I am not a mod, but I like this board and we dont act like BB.com on it.

hahahaha, keep talking ****. Newb. And yes, I dont think you know how Nolva works, both from your previous post, and from your response to my post. My explaination of the actions by which Nolva/6oxo work is not condecending at all to the board, and again, I am not a new mod, just someone who likes to explain things. I will continue to do so, because I know that it helps most people (those without inferiority complexes like yourself.)

How does nolva have you covered on both fronts, if it did, it would be used to control bloat also, which we all know it is innefective at, because it does not reduce estrogen levels. Read carefully, because you obviously have no clue about what you are talking about, NOLVA DOES NOT PREVENT AROMATIZATION. What the hell are you talking about covered on both fronts??? Nolva does not block estrogen at the receptors in "theory", IT REALLY BLOCK THE RECEPTORS, why do you think it is useful in the treatment of gyno, while letro and other AI's are not.

I personally believe that Clomid is superior�*to nolva in stimulating the HPTA, but it is not effective in treating/preventing gyno, so I use both in my PCT's.

 

[Grant]

Maybe 6oxo somehow convinces the testes to store glycogen? :think: j/k

I think you need to research Dr. D and some of the bro's a little more. Just because he's not using his "extensive vocabulary" doesn't mean he doesn't have one

If you care to disagree with someone, do so without acting like a jerk. If you care to disagree with Dr. D, you better be better about your whits than Patrick Arnold b/c the good Dr. had him on his heels...just hope you never have to see that side of Doc. D LOL.

Lol at the 6oxo comment.

And I agree, you should really watch how you come across, especially to someone like Dr. D (and others), moreso with you being new to the board.

 

[T-Bone]

I think this thread should be closed. Looking like just a pointless arguement at this point...

 

[BOHICA]

works for me, I got all the info I needed

 

[DR.D]

my recovery was moderately faster with 6oxo & Nolva, rather than simply Nolva.

Ohhhh no Man! The new avatar is too much!! Reminds me of "Ace and Gary" :rofl:

Thanks for all the good feedback on 6-oxo guys, And let's not let any knuckle heads get us worked up. We all know what's going on here, and hopefully he'll be a fast learner!

 

[garrithv]

well thanks for all the input DR.D and Deoudes59.

I have s1+ , SD , 4AD powder, M1T. Ive run all the basic cycles
before (1ad,4ad,M1T) ive done about 6 cycles and never had any
bad shutdown.

I want to run 2 cycles really close , within 16-18
weeks.What do you recommend. please add PCT

thanks for any input

 

[Grant]

I think you should just go all out and run a 10-12 week cycle (with some HCG) then do a full 4 week PCT with 12 weeks off after that. I think you will keep more gains from that then doing 6 weeks on 4 weeks off, 6 weeks on, 4 weeks PCT. For PCT I would use Nolva at 40mgs ED for 2 weeks, then 20mgs ED for 2 weeks. I also like to add in 6oxo at 600mgs a day (some people like 300mgs) and I also use clomid in my PCT's until I cant handle the emotional sides. I use 150mgs day one, then 50mgs thereafter for up to 4 weeks( I usually cant handle the sides for that long.)

For your cycle depending on what you have I would use...
SD- 20mgs ED for first 45 days (one bottle)
S1+ 10-12 weeks (thats alot of time on a transdermal, just cuase it would be a pain to apply it for that long)
HCG 250iu 2 times a week (will make recovery much eaiser)

If you dont have/cant get HCG, then do 6 weeks on 4 weeks off, 6 weeks on 4 weeks PCT plus time off.

SD 20mgs weeks 1-6
S1+ Weeks 1-6
Full PCT

Start next cycle
SD 20mg ED Weeks 1-6 (or if you dont have anymore SD you could use M1t for weeks 1-2 at 10mgs ED)
S1+ Weeks 1-6
Full PCT 4 weeks then take at least 8-12 weeks off.

I dont really like m1t all that much, makes me lethargic and is bad on lipid profiles, superdrol feels so much cleaner and better.

Ill write out my PCT here to make it more clear.

Nolva Weeks 1-2 40mgs ED
Nolva Weeks 3-4 20mgs ED
6oxo Weeks 1-4 600mgs ED (or 300mgs ED if you cant afford full dosage)
Clomid Day 1 150mgs
Clomid Weeks 1-4 50mgs ED (if you can handle the emotional sides or dont get them, if it effects your vision then stop clomid and just continue with the nolva/6oxo)

If you would like to add in Dr. D's PCT stuff (fenegrek and DHEA) then try it out, but I have never done it, though I will next time, so I cant offer any feedback on it.

Also I always take stuff for prostate (I use prostate support by NOW) and for liver protection (Glucophase XR, NAC, Milk Thistle, you can substitute GXR with R-ala) while on and off. I also use Nizoral ED while on cycle.

Is that what you wanted, or did you want to run 2 shorter then 6 week cycles in a 16-18 week time frame?

 

[Syr]

"<--- Look what Superdrol did for me..."

changing your sexual preferences?
In that picture really looks like Batman is f***ing Robin
funny

 

[Syr]

Yea, I agree that it would not work like a SERM to raise test, and I would rather use nolva or clomid by themselves then use 6oxo by itself.

Interesting idea... It fascinates me too. Last time i stacked Nolva and 6oxo, but next time i'm going to start the 6oxo later.
week 1-2: Nolva 40mg
week 3: Nolva 20, 6oxo 600mg
week 4: Nolva 10, 6oxo 400mg
week 5: 6oxo 200mg

Did anyone tried something like this?

 

[Grant]

Interesting idea... It fascinates me too. Last time i stacked Nolva and 6oxo, but next time i'm going to start the 6oxo later.
week 1-2: Nolva 40mg
week 3: Nolva 20, 6oxo 600mg
week 4: Nolva 10, 6oxo 400mg
week 5: 6oxo 200mg

Did anyone tried something like this?

Its what I did for my last PCT, I ran out of oral 6oxo, so at the end of PCT I used a bottle of PACT that I got for free a while back (7oxo+6oxo trans) I used it 2 weeks after I finished nolva. Some people think this is needed (using 6oxo longer then nolva) to keep estrogen levels low after nolva is stopped. I personally didnt notive a difference in recovery, but it seemed to keep my balls fuller, plus I like 7oxo for fat loss.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

"<--- Look what Superdrol did for me..."

changing your sexual preferences?
In that picture really looks like Batman is f***ing Robin
funny

haha, nah - just fighting crime.

 

[youi09]

I'm finding that I'm in on the 3rd week and strengh gains are really starting to show now, week 1 and 2 were good but now its really happening. I would think that it would be better to run for a longer time like 4-6 weeks at least. Side effects are so minimum as well as shutdown.

 

[Beowulf]

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Hoping to run my SD soon. I tend to prefer a 2 week cycle; I can't wait to hear how people do w/ 2 weeks.

BTW, I might do an M1T 2 weeker first. If I do 2 weeks, should nolva be 40mg for both weeks or 40mg week 1/20mg week 2? I might throw some 6oxo in w/ it.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

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Hoping to run my SD soon. I tend to prefer a 2 week cycle; I can't wait to hear how people do w/ 2 weeks.

BTW, I might do an M1T 2 weeker first. If I do 2 weeks, should nolva be 40mg for both weeks or 40mg week 1/20mg week 2? I might throw some 6oxo in w/ it.

I like/liked the 2 week idea myself, but honestly, I'm coming to find that you don't really solidify much new muscle in that period. If you want to go 2weeks with M1T, plan on the a full 4 weeks of PCT. Even at 2 weeks, you will be shutdown.
My suggestion? SD for 4 to 6.

 

[Lean One]

I'm finding that I'm in on the 3rd week and strengh gains are really starting to show now, week 1 and 2 were good but now its really happening. I would think that it would be better to run for a longer time like 4-6 weeks at least. Side effects are so minimum as well as shutdown.

BINGO. :thumbsup:

Ding ding ding ding ding ding We have a winner!

 

[BOHICA]

I'm still gonna be the "experimenter" and try a 3on/2off/3on/2off/3on/full PCT cycle and see how well it goes. I have the exact amount left for it, and hope to be able to provide some info from the other side of testing on this wonderful little white cap.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

please do Bohica - it will provide valuable feedback to those persons who were fortunate to have stockpiled the stuff.

 

[Beowulf]

Much Appreciated

I'm still gonna be the "experimenter" and try a 3on/2off/3on/2off/3on/full PCT cycle and see how well it goes. I have the exact amount left for it, and hope to be able to provide some info from the other side of testing on this wonderful little while cap.

Much appreciated. You deserve an honorary Guinea Pig smilie.

I could only afford to buy 2 bottles of SD, so I want to make the most of it. Your experience will definitely help. Look at it this way: you're doing it in the name of science.

I like/liked the 2 week idea myself, but honestly, I'm coming to find that you don't really solidify much new muscle in that period. If you want to go 2weeks with M1T, plan on the a full 4 weeks of PCT. Even at 2 weeks, you will be shutdown.

Thanks. Damn, I didn't know a 2 week M1T cycle would require a 4 week PCT. That is crazy. At bb.com there are tons of peeps doing 2on/2off/2on/2off. That basically means they're shut down for 6 weeks or so. Damn.

 

[BOHICA]

Much appreciated. You deserve an honorary Guinea Pig smilie.

I could only afford to buy 2 bottles of SD, so I want to make the most of it. Your experience will definitely help. Look at it this way: you're doing it in the name of science.

I only got 2 bottles of SD too, and after marking it out in my calendar of 3/2/3/2/3/PCT it took me all the way to the end of may, so I consider that a nice way to use the SD... especially if I continue my gains each mini-cycle. After the second cycle, if I gained nothing, I will probably sit back down and re-evaulate it, but as for now this is the plan.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

Thanks. Damn, I didn't know a 2 week M1T cycle would require a 4 week PCT. That is crazy. At bb.com there are tons of peeps doing 2on/2off/2on/2off. That basically means they're shut down for 6 weeks or so. Damn.

You will be more supressed from 2weeks of M1T than 4weeks of Superdrol. The children at BB.com would scream at me for that - but that's matter of fact.

The way that place has gone, you'd be better off not reading the messages - they make you stupider (more stupid) - unless its one of the vets explaining something. You have kids who aren't old enough to buy cigarettes giving people advice on steroids (they call them 'PHs').
Anabolicminds, however, is a great place.

 

[BOHICA]

<--- Look what Superdrol did for me...

How much are you taking? It took me nearly 3 weeks on it @ 30mg to be able to climb walls, and you are doing it on the third day? wow

:rofl::icon_lol:

 

[Beowulf]

You will be more supressed from 2weeks of M1T than 4weeks of Superdrol. The children at BB.com would scream at me for that - but that's matter of fact.

The way that place has gone, you'd be better off not reading the messages - they make you stupider (more stupid) - unless its one of the vets explaining something. You have kids who aren't old enough to buy cigarettes giving people advice on steroids (they call them 'PHs').
Anabolicminds, however, is a great place.

I hear ya, bro. Thanks.

BTW, "stupider" is correct (I'm an English teacher, though you wouldn't always know it based on my posts).

 

[XxCrisisxX]

I'm also debating how to run Superdrol.

Option 1:

1-4 Transdermal Test
1-12 500mg Test E
1-11 400mg Deca
1-6 20mg Superdrol
1-12 250iu Hcg

Option 2:

A few short 2-weekers of:
Transdermal Test
Superdrol

I have ran a 12 weeker of test and Dbol and I felt very shut down during and after PCT (depression, loss of strength, etc.). Before this, I ran short 2-4 week cycles and never had a problem. All in all, I would just like to minimize the post cycle blues. I'm just curious as to what extent the transdermal test will shut me down. Anyone feel free to comment.

 

[Grant]

Test will shut you down for sure, though the HCG will help to prevent that. I would bump the HCG up to 250iu 2x a week.

 

[XxCrisisxX]

Yea, 250iu's twice per week is what I meant. Perhaps incorporating HCG into short cycles would also minimize shutdown and help maitain gains. Hmm....

 

[DR.D]

Also I always take stuff for prostate (I use prostate support by NOW) and for liver protection (Glucophase XR, NAC, Milk Thistle, you can substitute GXR with R-ala) while on and off. I also use Nizoral ED while on cycle.

Is that what you wanted, or did you want to run 2 shorter then 6 week cycles in a 16-18 week time frame?

Great post G! DHT inhibitors make sense during PCT, as long as estro is in check. DHT is very suppressive. I've known guys who use Provera(a synthetic progestin) for similar reasons to delay inhibition, but it can make it worse if your timing off. The NOW brand stuff sounds like a good idea. Clomid hardens me up, I think I'll add the Saw Palmeto to my next PCT with it.

:goodpost:

 

[DR.D]

I only got 2 bottles of SD too, and after marking it out in my calendar of 3/2/3/2/3/PCT it took me all the way to the end of may, so I consider that a nice way to use the SD... especially if I continue my gains each mini-cycle. After the second cycle, if I gained nothing, I will probably sit back down and re-evaulate it, but as for now this is the plan.

See, I think this is possible, because the gains stick from SD. So in between mini-cycles, you still keep gaining because your kicking up your test levels with the PCT stuff too, so you stay ananolic the whole time. Sure, running a gram of test a week is the sure way to gain, but the suppression is severe, even with trans test. The point in this cycle was to still make gains, but in a way that is almost totally clean. I bet it would work to some degree if done right. I also recommend creatine in between. I used to do dbol pulse style (EOD) and still make fair gains with zero suppression.

 

[DR.D]

I hear ya, bro. Thanks.

BTW, "stupider" is correct (I'm an English teacher, though you wouldn't always know it based on my posts).

I guessing British Lit specifically w/ a name like Beowulf!

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I take Propecia year round - finastride cuts DHT big time.

 

[Beowulf]

I guessing British Lit specifically w/ a name like Beowulf!

Actually, all lit. I prefer 20th century American lit to just about anything. I'm not as fond of the Old English works, such as Beowulf--but he was diesel; he could whip some ass.:whip:

 

[DR.D]

I take Propecia year round - finastride cuts DHT big time.

I should have guessed the hair master would be Propecia-ing (bad grammer, if Beowulf is watching) all year round! Does it hurt hardness at all on or off cycle?

 

[Beowulf]

I should have guessed the hair master would be Propecia-ing (bad grammer, if Beowulf is watching) all year round! Does it hurt hardness at all on or off cycle?

Nothing wrong there: you simply verbed a noun, which weirds them. Verbing non-verbs always weirds them.

 

[Grant]

I used to do dbol pulse style (EOD) and still make fair gains with zero suppression.

Hmm interesting, how long did you do this for? Did you just take it Preworkout? How much did you take? Did you do a PCT after you were finished?

Thanks for the help D

 

[MorganKane]

How much are you taking? It took me nearly 3 weeks on it @ 30mg to be able to climb walls, and you are doing it on the third day? wow

:rofl::icon_lol:

My experience so far has been so so.
Day 9 was good, that was after 7 or 8 days of running 20mg ED I upit to 30MG. Had a killer workout, but the following day it was nothing. I added 20mg M4OHN ED and im still at 30MG SuperDrol ED. not much going for me. I gained a few pounds but that could have been from the extra calories im eating.

Today I took 30MG M5AA preworkout for a boost but it did not do more then some my normal EC stack does.

I am also taking Trimax went up to 2 pills a day but I can't even tell im taking them.

Honestly, I did expect to take higer doesage then most since every thing else I take I have to up the dosage.
I guess im a non responder or need more then most.

Its my first PH cycle so not sure what to expect but it got to be more then this.

I wish I was a non responder to cheese burgers and pizza and not expensive PH :twisted:

Im on day 16 or something I think, I am looking forward to when this really kicks...

 

[BOHICA]

My experience so far has been so so.
Day 9 was good, that was after 7 or 8 days of running 20mg ED I upit to 30MG. Had a killer workout, but the following day it was nothing. I added 20mg M4OHN ED and im still at 30MG SuperDrol ED. not much going for me. I gained a few pounds but that could have been from the extra calories im eating.

Today I took 30MG M5AA preworkout for a boost but it did not do more then some my normal EC stack does.

I am also taking Trimax went up to 2 pills a day but I can't even tell im taking them.

Honestly, I did expect to take higer doesage then most since every thing else I take I have to up the dosage.
I guess im a non responder or need more then most.

Its my first PH cycle so not sure what to expect but it got to be more then this.

I wish I was a non responder to cheese burgers and pizza and not expensive PH :twisted:

Im on day 16 or something I think, I am looking forward to when this really kicks...

For one thing, I think you have way to many methyl's together, especially with the m4, m5 and SD. I would think m5 especially would kinda cancel the SD abilities. Might wanna cut it all out and try SD solo and just give it some time. 30 mg was to high for me, raised my BP and had severe back pains. I'm no expert, and would listen Dr. D if he says anything about it.

 

[blank!]

hahahaha, keep talking ****. Newb. And yes, I dont think you know how Nolva works, both from your previous post, and from your response to my post. My explaination of the actions by which Nolva/6oxo work is not condecending at all to the board, and again, I am not a new mod, just someone who likes to explain things. I will continue to do so, because I know that it helps most people (those without inferiority complexes like yourself.)

How does nolva have you covered on both fronts, if it did, it would be used to control bloat also, which we all know it is innefective at, because it does not reduce estrogen levels. Read carefully, because you obviously have no clue about what you are talking about, NOLVA DOES NOT PREVENT AROMATIZATION. What the hell are you talking about covered on both fronts??? Nolva does not block estrogen at the receptors in "theory", IT REALLY BLOCK THE RECEPTORS, why do you think it is useful in the treatment of gyno, while letro and other AI's are not.

you need to re-read my post. i never said nolva prevents aromatization. i dont even know where you got that from, but it obviously wasnt me.

and as for the "in theory" business - people take it for systemic estrogen blocking, but it appears to target certain areas (breast tissue) more than others...which is why it's used for gyno flareups, and isnt exactly perfect/complete for PCT. why this is, on a chemical level? i dont know but i'd love to hear why if someone else does.

and newbs to this board arent necessarily newbs to the game....i'm actually neither; i posted under another name for a long time but riled up a mod one too many times - go figure!

I personally believe that Clomid is superior�*to nolva in stimulating the HPTA, but it is not effective in treating/preventing gyno, so I use both in my PCT's.

that's wonderful that you "personally believe" what every serious BB knows for a fact.

and dr.d - it was not my intention to undermine your posting or your unique approaches to PCT and cycling (some of which i've tried out with success like fenugreek) my post was simply to present the more common thought process that leads most to omit the DHEA from PCT. if we take every poster's word as the gospel, this wouldnt be the board that is. maximum respect for dr. d - i've been reading his stuff for a long time, and i continue to exalt his guinea pig status.

grant - i dont mind your 10-12 week cycle plan, but i dont really like it either. 1-test gains really slow after 6 weeks, which would make that cycle a helluva waste (and like you said, a PITA to apply for so long)...even with HCG i'd never recommend that cycle. the 6-on 4-off and repeat looks much better.

and to the person who mentioned "hmm..." after suggesting incorporation of HCG into short cycles for maximum recovery and minimal suppression - that's genius. i dont know why i've not seen that suggested before on a PH/PS board (which is pretty much the only place that advocates bulking cycles of 6 weeks and sometimes less) - maybe it's the pinning issue, but there are few sticks easier than HCG.

and thanks to anyone trying out SD and reporting the effects - guys like me with only a smallish stash are most grateful. it's times like these when i wish strateg0s' dream about brotelligence would be realized.