Superdrol: Brilliant for 2 week cycles??

[DR.D]

wait, what did you do the first time?

Is 4weeks on, 3-4weeks PCT, and say only 1-2 weeks off after that possible/safe?

I did 4 wks the first time basically increasing about 10mg a wk and adding some 1T at wk 2.

It's a slippery slope when you start breaking the rules! Time off should be at least equal to time on if not 2x greater. So ideally you should only be on 4 months/year. But that's at full blast, high dose, real cycles and not including PCT time. What I'm saying is that you can be on for 6 months/year using safer stuff and lower doses and maybe experience less toxicity and suppression while making similar gains and avoiding the PCT/on cycle extremes and funky blood work values.

 

[DR.D]

Could you give me an example of the dosing for this? Not sure I follow. Thanks

With SD for example over 8/8 wks:
wk1: 10mg
wk2-3: 20mg
wk4-5: 30mg
wk6-7: 40mg
wk8: 20mg, start PCT
wk9-12: 10mg, cont. PCT
wk13-16: finish PCT

 

[DR.D]

I think I may go 1 more week (3 total). That way I'm kind of splitting the difference.
This stuff sure makes me moody though.

It made me moody too! I didn't expect it to happen with it's low androgenicity, but it seems to be somewhat dose dependent.

 

[natedogg]

Tick Tock I only have 3 more days to make my decision!!

Keep it goin'. I gained another 3 pounds in 2 days (Mon.-Wed.). I'm up a grand total of 14 lbs in 2 and a half weeks. Moody huh. I feel this same as I usually do. Although I'm always moody so...:lol:...:frustrate...:sad:.........

 

[tattoopierced1]

havent noticed any moody changes...although i am usually like a teeter-todder anyways when it comes to my mood...I "might" get a BIT more irritated with things now, but that is a big "might"..... no one has noticed any changes in my attitude thus far (3rd week into cycle).

 

[BOHICA]

Im up 11 pounds in week and 4 days... I am having horrible lower back pain, kinda like people said with m1t. But I never experienced it with m1t hmmm

 

[B5150]

My guess is that depending on how much you're taking, you could use less SD, which could likely reduce or eliminate back pain, and still continue to see very good results. It has been my experience thus far.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I'm up a grand total of 14 lbs in 2 and a half weeks.

Sweet sweet Superdrol

 

[DR.D]

That's not what you actually look like Deoudes! Your pictures crack me up!! :rofl:

The wonder boy doesn't have as much hair as you do, and he never quite reached your celeb status. Of course, few of us will ever score 3 hot babes on national TV like you.

 

[natedogg]

That's not what you actually look like Deoudes! Your pictures crack me up!! :rofl:

The wonder boy doesn't have as much hair as you do, and he never quite reached your celeb status. Of course, few of us will ever score 3 hot babes on national TV like you.

What the...

You guys are having or have had back pain too?

 

[DR.D]

Yo nate! I had no back pains/pumps on SD. Creatine, M1T, Dbol, yes.. but the SD not at all.

 

[natedogg]

Yo nate! I had no back pains/pumps on SD. Creatine, M1T, Dbol, yes.. but the SD not at all.

Hmm, me neither. M1T, slighty, DBol, not that I can ever remember and Creatine sucks for me.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

That's not what you actually look like Deoudes! Your pictures crack me up!! :rofl:

The wonder boy doesn't have as much hair as you do, and he never quite reached your celeb status. Of course, few of us will ever score 3 hot babes on national TV like you.

haha, well let's be honest - only 1 was hot. The other 2 no one would ever consider hot. but thanks. :thumbsup: I can't watch that video, I'm like 30lbs heavier now. Thank God.

 

[TheManGuy]

I'm gonna run a superdrol cycle in 2months, I'm thinking of one of 2 options, please help me pick and point out the pro's and con's:

Option 1.

Run superdrol in a straight cycle for 8 weeks as such.

week 1-8 600mg 4ad trans ed.
week1 10mg superdrol.
week 2-3 20 mg superdrol
then 2 weeks solo 4ad to allow joints to take a break and hopefulle 'renew' the impact of the superdrol.

week 6-7 30mg superdrol
week8 20mg superdrol

week1-8 10mg nolva ed.

pct week 9-12 nolva, lean extreme and maybe some funugreek

week 13-20 off


Option 2.

week1-2 10mg superdrol

week 3-4 lean extreme and glucophase

week 5-6 20 mg superdrol

week 7-8 lean extreme and glucophase

week9-10 20mg superdrol

week 11-12 lean extreme and glucophase

week 13-14 30mg superdrol

week15-16 nolva and lean exrteme as pct.

week 17-20 off





In option 2 I actually have more time off and a shorter pct along with more superdrol in the same timespan.

Now I'm wondering which one of these will result in a more sustainable increase in muscle mass and which will yield more.

I think option 2 will definately be safer and will never shut me down completely which I would definitaly prefer over 8 weeks of feeling like a god followed by 6 weeks of feeling like ****.

I'm about 225lbs and 6'3 at 11-12% bf.

I also have 10 bottles of superdrol so saving on that is not a concern.:cheers:

Let's get some opinions on this please:twisted:

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I'd like to see you run option 2, but @ 20mg the whole time, unless you need to bump up.

 

[DR.D]

Op2! The nolva all the way thing scared me in Op1, and 30mg would be a lot of SD to just start taking out of no where after that midpoint break. After that long of a break, I'd stick to 20mg or ramp up again. But your a pretty big guy so who knows, you'll just have to play it by ear and make adjustments as you go. Why do people use such high doses of trans though... 600mg/d? I would break out like a mofo, headaches too. You'll be the first I've seen to cycle SD like this, you should log it for us if you have time.

 

[ItriedtoripoffBobosonowIamgonehaveaniceday]

Dr.D....since you aren't a big fan of S.E.R.M.S. like Nolva/Clomid what do you do for your P.C.T.? Just respect your opinion and wanna see what you think a P.C.T. should look like if you run 4-6 weeks of SD. I am also interested in trying out the Fenugreek and DHEA so how do I incorporate that into P.C.T.? I may do the longer cycle of SD because I find it hard to believe anyone can pack on a lot of QUALITY muscle in a two week frame!

 

[DR.D]

Dr.D....since you aren't a big fan of S.E.R.M.S. like Nolva/Clomid what do you do for your P.C.T.? Just respect your opinion and wanna see what you think a P.C.T. should look like if you run 4-6 weeks of SD. I am also interested in trying out the Fenugreek and DHEA so how do I incorporate that into P.C.T.? I may do the longer cycle of SD because I find it hard to believe anyone can pack on a lot of QUALITY muscle in a two week frame!

I usually do Clomid, next time will probably do a Clomid/Nolva combo based on new suggestions from the recent SERM debates, but Fareston is my favorite. hCG is required on long, injectable cycles, but I can't ever grow on 2 weeker's either. Fen/DHEA is effective for mild orals like SD or low dose, short term suppression. It's all I used on a 4wk SD ramp maxing out @ 40mg with a linear dose schedule.

 

[BOHICA]

I decided I'm gonna run my 3 weeks at 30mg and just finish this cycle out, then take 3 weeks off, come back 3 weeks at 20mg, take 3 weeks off, then 3 more weeks at 20mg, then a nice long PCT. Any ideas or hints? Especially directed at Dr. D

 

[DR.D]

I decided I'm gonna run my 3 weeks at 30mg and just finish this cycle out, then take 3 weeks off, come back 3 weeks at 20mg, take 3 weeks off, then 3 more weeks at 20mg, then a nice long PCT. Any ideas or hints? Especially directed at Dr. D

If your gonna take a proper PCT later, you could probably even go with 3on/2off, because 20mg is not that harsh. But your plan looks sound to me. This isn't M1T, so 2on/2off is not set in stone for this one, 3/2 may be a good variant with a good 3 or 4 wk PCT after 3 mini cycles. Know what I mean? Your on/off time will still balance out after 3 months.

 

[BOHICA]

What would you suggest for the mini-pct's inbetween my cycles?

 

[CEDeoudes59]

My vote is for 300mg 6oxo Oral.
Not overly expensive if used sparringly spread over a handful of PCTs.

 

[DR.D]

My vote is for 300mg 6oxo Oral.
Not overly expensive if used sparringly spread over a handful of PCTs.

I know a lot of people use 6-oxo for PCT, but does it really work? I mean, I know that it's a suicide substrate (that would be great if your on test) but how does it work to reduce estrogen expression if no estrogen is elevated? I mean, does it really elevate test if your estrogen levels are normal? I've never used it but hear people saying it works all the time, but just don't see how. Does it work for you?

 

[foo.c]

I know a lot of people use 6-oxo for PCT, but does it really work? I mean, I know that it's a suicide substrate (that would be great if your on test) but how does it work to reduce estrogen expression if no estrogen is elevated? I mean, does it really elevate test if your estrogen levels are normal? I've never used it but hear people saying it works all the time, but just don't see how. Does it work for you?

I've never taken any exogenous hormone, but I decided to try the 6OXO only cycle.

After two days at 600 mg my nuts were huge. I cut it down to 300 mg right away, and found 200 mg produced the same effect. Acne was pretty bad for a guy in his 30's. (I'm sure you all are used to this.)

For PCT, I can't say. But it definitely had an effect on me.

 

[BOHICA]

I took 6-oxo for my first m1t cycle, before I knew any better... It worked great compared to the crappy rip-off nolva i was taking. I was weeks into it and felt no bounce back with the nolva, so I switched to 6-oxo and felt on the way back to normal within a week or 2.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I know a lot of people use 6-oxo for PCT, but does it really work? I mean, I know that it's a suicide substrate (that would be great if your on test) but how does it work to reduce estrogen expression if no estrogen is elevated? I mean, does it really elevate test if your estrogen levels are normal? I've never used it but hear people saying it works all the time, but just don't see how. Does it work for you?

Definitly, I'm a believer. I really like Ergopharm products though. I wouldn't take a chance on one of the slightly cheaper 6oxo clones or transdermals - get the Ergopharm. The label claims are met.

I haven't used it by itself after a M1T cycle though. I would have confidence in doing so however.

I used it in conjunction with Nolva also. Nolva:40mg,6oxo:300mg (2weeks)---> Nolva:20mg,6oxo:400mg-600mg. It's good to taper down the Nolvadex and increase the 6oxo. It lets the 6oxo blast any free-estrogen that the Nolva induced.

 

[Grant]

My vote is for 300mg 6oxo Oral.
Not overly expensive if used sparringly spread over a handful of PCTs.

I agree, though I like to use it at 600mg. I like it orally better, because I hate transdermals, but it works well enough transdermally.

 

[TheManGuy]

I'm thinking of using sledges new pct product after each mini cycle and for pct and cutting out nolva completely.

I'll either use just that of add funugreek, the 6 oxo is quite expensive, but I might consider adding 300mg ed if it will get my boys back to full strengh in 2 weeks.

 

[TheManGuy]

I'll definatly keep a log, I'l thinking of starting in a month though, it's been 6 weeks since my last cycle already and this shouldn't cause much shutdown right?

I just thought about it and I'm gonna start this cycle on the 7th of march.

And it will run as stated above but at 20mg throughout, unless I break 240lbs then I'll bump to 30mg and see how it goes. I'll do the 30 in the second week though.

So the cycle will be as such:

Option 2.
Start monday 7 march

I'll be bulking throughout and will only eat carbs at breakfast, pre and post workout.

Diet is very good, and I'll start at around 5000-5500 cals for the first 4 weeks and bump that up every 4 weeks by 250-500 cals as needed. I have my bf and measurements along with weight and lean bodymass tested every 2 weeks or so.

I'm looking for 20-25lbs, of permanent muscle from this cycle, so I'll be eating like a pro.

I eat 400+ grams of protein ed about half food, half shakes.. Might bump that up too.

week1-2 20mg superdrol

week 3-4 150mg lean extreme and 2 caps glucophase before breakfast and post workout meal, (sledges new pct compound), 1g funugreek.

week 5-6 20 mg superdrol

week 7-8 150mg lean extreme and 2 caps glucophase before breakfast and post workout meal, (sledges new pct compound), 1g funugreek.

week9-10 20mg superdrol

week 11-12 150mg lean extreme and 2 caps glucophase before breakfast and post workout meal, (sledges new pct compound), 1g funugreek.


week 13 20mg superdrol
week 14 30mg superdrol
week 15 20mg superdrol

week16-18 150mg lean extreme and 2 caps glucophase before breakfast and post workout meal, (sledges new pct compound), 1g funugreek, plus 300mg 6oxo ed.

I'm so exited to try this out! The implications if this works would be massive:twisted:

Any suggestions would be very welcome esspecially from Dr.D of sledge( someone please get matt over here:hammer:, so we can get his opinion )

 

[Syr]

Yeah, like a real but short PCT every few months just to be safe and optimize, but use the friendlier yet effective stuff in the 2 off's. Using the red rice yeast and milk thistle on, this is theoretically very doable, but it breaks "the rules." Biggest long term concern might be prostate, M4OHN is still signifigantly androgenic, but SD is not. Fenugreek and Trib are good for BPH too. As is b-sitosterol when off.

Uhm.... while the idea sounds tempting I dont like it too much. I mean I would do no more than 2 or maybe 3 2-weekers at MAX, then a full month of light but full pct. 6oxo+fenugreek and maybe trib+avena comes to my mind.

About prostate, I found m4ohn to be very light on it, are u saying that SD would be even less?
I have to take saw-palmetto all-year round with no more than 1 week off. On cycle I may need to raise that amount (like i had to do with 1-test/4ad cycle)

Lastly, a 2 weekers would exclude a stack: there are no compounds besides M1T and M1,4AD who kicks in fast like SD and none of those are a recommended stack.
Maybe this would be a good idea for my upcoming SD cycle:

week 1: 1,4add (1g)
week 2-3: SD (10 and then 20mg), 1,4add (1g)
weel 4-5: 1,4add (1g)
week 6-7: SD (20mg), 1,4add (1g)
week 8: 1,4add (1g)
weeks 9-12: PCT

I would take red rice yeast, NAC and milk thristle all time on cycle and drop the red yeast only when starting PCT.

 

[Syr]

Let's get some opinions on this please:twisted:

Run bromo, proviron or letrozole on cycle in place of the nolva on option 1.

I think you can do both things, first one cycle and then the other (after a proper break).

PS: 10 bottles: WOW!

 

[Syr]

I know a lot of people use 6-oxo for PCT, but does it really work? I mean, I know that it's a suicide substrate (that would be great if your on test) but how does it work to reduce estrogen expression if no estrogen is elevated? I mean, does it really elevate test if your estrogen levels are normal? I've never used it but hear people saying it works all the time, but just don't see how. Does it work for you?

I think it does. i didnt take it alone on my last PCT cycle and my previous one (m4ohn) was too mild that i wasnt almost suppressed at all and 3 weeks of low dose of 6oxo worked like a charm.
But I have the feeling on my body that it works good.
I would rather use ergopharm product or raw powder.

 

[blank!]

I'll definatly keep a log, I'l thinking of starting in a month though, it's been 6 weeks since my last cycle already and this shouldn't cause much shutdown right?

I just thought about it and I'm gonna start this cycle on the 7th of march.

And it will run as stated above but at 20mg throughout, unless I break 240lbs then I'll bump to 30mg and see how it goes. I'll do the 30 in the second week though.

So the cycle will be as such:

Option 2.
Start monday 7 march

I'll be bulking throughout and will only eat carbs at breakfast, pre and post workout.

Diet is very good, and I'll start at around 5000-5500 cals for the first 4 weeks and bump that up every 4 weeks by 250-500 cals as needed. I have my bf and measurements along with weight and lean bodymass tested every 2 weeks or so.

I'm looking for 20-25lbs, of permanent muscle from this cycle, so I'll be eating like a pro.

I eat 400+ grams of protein ed about half food, half shakes.. Might bump that up too.

please explain something to me....how do you expect to get 5000cals WITH ONLY 3 CARB FEEDINGS PER DAY?? even if those carb meals are 100g apiece (which is super high) we're talking:

300g carbs = 1200cals
400g protein = 1600 cals
~100g fat (on the high side) = 900cals
----------------------
3700cals - and i tried to run the numbers HIGH

not to mention that PWO carb feed will be entirely simple carbs, which do little to nothing to support energy and anabolism later in the day.

not a chance you'll catch 20lbs on the cycle unless you loosen the diet. also consider the apparently strong connection between carbs and SD, you're asking for small gains only.

unless i missed something? are you really far from genetic potential, or...?

 

[BOHICA]

I decided on my mini-pct's in my 2 week off periods, and my full pct after the whole on/off cycle has been run.

2 week pct
Fenugreek
DHEA
half daily recommended dosage of Vitrix (money is holding me back on this one)

Full PCT - 6 weeks long
Fenugreek
Nolva
6-oxo
half daily recommended dosage of Vitrix (money is holding me back on this one)

sound good or no?

 

[darius]

The problem with the 2 week on, 2 week off, and again and again for a couple months is that each 2 week "on" period, I bet the gains will be smaller and smaller. Thats what common sense tells me. Maybe its different?

So maybe just do like 3 "on" 2 weekers, with the breaks in between.

 

[rrgg]

I really like Ergopharm products though. I wouldn't take a chance on one of the slightly cheaper 6oxo clones or transdermals - get the Ergopharm. The label claims are met.

Hmm... I'm kind of surprised. You think a transdermal would be LESS effective than oral Ergo-brand 6oxo? Why?

By the way, I thought the 6oxo powder sold at BN actually came from Ergo. At the very least, Ergo is getting paid due to patent rights (I think).

 

[CEDeoudes59]

Hmm... I'm kind of surprised. You think a transdermal would be LESS effective than oral Ergo-brand 6oxo? Why?

By the way, I thought the 6oxo powder sold at BN actually came from Ergo. At the very least, Ergo is getting paid due to patent rights (I think).

You are right on the patent rights.

I don't think it would be less effective per say, dosing and absorption with transdermals in general can be tricky.

I know others just say measure out X amount of grams, pop it in the T-Gel (or whatever carrier) and shake. X squirts = X ml = X mg. But it doesn't always mix up perfectly (usually doesn't in my case) and your left guessimating your PCT.

I'd just rather have peace of mind, and do it orally for the PCT. But Transdermals with 1-test, 4-ad, etc. - it's all good.

my 2cents...

 

[blank!]

I decided on my mini-pct's in my 2 week off periods, and my full pct after the whole on/off cycle has been run.

2 week pct
Fenugreek
DHEA
half daily recommended dosage of Vitrix (money is holding me back on this one)

Full PCT - 6 weeks long
Fenugreek
Nolva
6-oxo
half daily recommended dosage of Vitrix (money is holding me back on this one)

sound good or no?

i wouldnt recommend taking dhea solo. i also wouldnt recommend taking 6OXO and nolva together. there's just no point to it.

 

[Syr]

i also wouldnt recommend taking 6OXO and nolva together. there's just no point to it.

There are mixed results on this.
I think its subjective. One (good reason) of adding 6oxo to nolva is that that allows one to reduce the nolva doses (and sides).
One point in favour of not adding it is instead the cost.

 

[garrithv]

I want to go on 2 6week cycles in a 14-16 week period
using s1+ and SD. Any suggestions as to cycling it?

My thoughts were 6weeks s1+ 10sprays a day and 20mg SD,
2-4 weeks off and then the same cycle and do a long PCT?

 

[CEDeoudes59]

The PCT only has to be 4weeks.
6 weeks ON
4 weeks PCT
2 weeks OFF
6 weeks ON
4 weeks PCT
6-8 weeks OFF

Even Still that's aggressive, most will tell you:
6 weeks ON
4 weeks PCT
6 weeks OFF
6 weeks ON
4 weeks PCT
12 weeks OFF

 

[TheManGuy]

please explain something to me....how do you expect to get 5000cals WITH ONLY 3 CARB FEEDINGS PER DAY?? even if those carb meals are 100g apiece (which is super high) we're talking:

300g carbs = 1200cals
400g protein = 1600 cals
~100g fat (on the high side) = 900cals
----------------------
3700cals - and i tried to run the numbers HIGH

not to mention that PWO carb feed will be entirely simple carbs, which do little to nothing to support energy and anabolism later in the day.

not a chance you'll catch 20lbs on the cycle unless you loosen the diet. also consider the apparently strong connection between carbs and SD, you're asking for small gains only.

unless i missed something? are you really far from genetic potential, or...?

OK I'll spell my diet out to you.

I eat 400g protein per day minimum, probably closer to 500.

I'm very carb sensitive so I only eat carbs on workout days and breakfast on non workout days. This keeps me lean and gives me about 2lb's of muscle gain per week naturally.

workout days
protein 500*4 = 2000cals
carbs
breakfast 100g carbs, 2 hours before workout 100g carbs, post workout 200g of carbs over a 2 hour window consisting of mostly white rice, dextrose and maltodextrin.

carbs 400*4= 1600
fat 170*9 = 1530

total 5130


off days

protein 500g*4= 2000
carbs 100g*4 = 400
fat about 250g*9 =2250

total 4650cals

This is a very rough estimate. I don't get fat from fat so I eat lots of avo, cheese etc and drink lots of olive oil and cream and flax oil.
The fat gives me energy and I use them to up my cals and put my body in overdrive.


However I need the carbs to gain muscle, so this is what I came to with my dietitian and help from the internet and it's been working very well.

I'm up 7 pounds in 3 weeks naturally sinch I ended my cut, just to give you an idea.


If your asking if I'm skinny then no.

I am however 6'3 and thus I believe I can get to above 300lbs in due time, so yes I'd say I'm far from my genetic potential.

 

[DR.D]

I'm so exited to try this out! The implications if this works would be massive:twisted:

Any suggestions would be very welcome esspecially from Dr.D of sledge( someone please get matt over here:hammer:, so we can get his opinion )

Shutdown will be nil. I'm always skeptical at first too, but you'll see what I mean after you start. I predict that your really going to like this! If carbs are low, then you going to need all that protein too so don't short the protein, and a light dose of creatine (5g/d maybe) in the off phase, I include that in my PCT, forgot to mention that. Also, up the fen to 1.3g/d, that's really the minimun effective dose IMO.

 

[goldylight]

OK I'll spell my diet out to you.

I eat 400g protein per day minimum, probably closer to 500.

I'm very carb sensitive so I only eat carbs on workout days and breakfast on non workout days. This keeps me lean and gives me about 2lb's of muscle gain per week naturally.

workout days
protein 500*4 = 2000cals
carbs
breakfast 100g carbs, 2 hours before workout 100g carbs, post workout 200g of carbs over a 2 hour window consisting of mostly white rice, dextrose and maltodextrin.

carbs 400*4= 1600
fat 170*9 = 1530

total 5130


off days

protein 500g*4= 2000
carbs 100g*4 = 400
fat about 250g*9 =2250

total 4650cals

This is a very rough estimate. I don't get fat from fat so I eat lots of avo, cheese etc and drink lots of olive oil and cream and flax oil.
The fat gives me energy and I use them to up my cals and put my body in overdrive.


However I need the carbs to gain muscle, so this is what I came to with my dietitian and help from the internet and it's been working very well.

I'm up 7 pounds in 3 weeks naturally sinch I ended my cut, just to give you an idea.


If your asking if I'm skinny then no.

I am however 6'3 and thus I believe I can get to above 300lbs in due time, so yes I'm say I'm far from my genetic potential.

thats pretty funny........

 

[TheManGuy]

Nil!! Are you serious, that's brilliant!

I'll do as you suggest and up the fenugreek to 1,5g just for kicks.

My natural test is still very high, so being able to use anabolica and not be shut down would be the abselute ultimate for me.
It's almost like I won't be on cycle I'll just be using the superdrol to supercharge my gains!:box:

I never short the protein I'm always eating, as you could iMAGINE TO GET MY 5000+ CALS A DAY DOWN.

Last year I ate up to 7000cals a day, but ate way too many carbs and got fat because of that.

I'll up carbs at breakfast some to 150g or so, should be fine with the glucophase in there. (meusli and fat free yogurt with whey)

I have some cee on the way so I'll use 3g of the cee all the way throughout the cycle.

I'm so exited!! I feel like a teenage boy in a sex shop:icon_lol:

 

[goldylight]

let me elaberate(sp) a bit so i dont look like an asshole. 170G of fat. your carb source is from white rice and malto\dex. no wonder you think you are carb intollerant. i used to think that. i switched to only oatmeal, brown rice, milk, and occasionally multi grain bread. fats all clean. i lose more weight and feel better. also do you see all the feedback from SD - it relies heavily on carbs from what i read. what are your carb sources, aside from the PW area?

 

[TheManGuy]

thats pretty funny........

Why's that?

 

[TheManGuy]

let me elaberate(sp) a bit so i dont look like an asshole. 170G of fat. your carb source is from white rice and malto\dex. no wonder you think you are carb intollerant. i used to think that. i switched to only oatmeal, brown rice, milk, and occasionally multi grain bread. fats all clean. i lose more weight and feel better. also do you see all the feedback from SD - it relies heavily on carbs from what i read. what are your carb sources, aside from the PW area?

I've been at this awhile and this diet is very fine tuned for ME and my bodytype.

First off I used to eat 'clean' with lot's of 'startchy' carbs like oats, sweet potatoes and and rye bread.
Over time I just realized my body doesn't work that way.

I need carbs to fill my glycogen stores and other than that to fuel my workout. I use fat for energy, that's how my budy works, so I'm burning the fat throughout the day, while reving up my metabolism and keeping my glycogen stored for my workouts.

The white rice etc. is post wokout and before 6pm, thus is is supposed to be fast acting carbs to refill my glycogen stored.

It's been a long and complex learning curve over the last 4 or so years, but just trust me it works.


My non postworout carbs consist of the following: meusli(95% oats and some raisins), sweet potatoes, rye bread, veggies like brocolli, punkin and sometimes fruit at breakfast.

So the carbs I'm taking in are clean. But my body can oly handle about 400-500g of carbs a day max, otherwise I start picking up fat.

 

[TheManGuy]

Do you understand where I'm coming from now? I didn't just pull this out my ass.

It's taken years of experiminting to get to this. I reacently tried a proper ketogenic diet with carb ups on weekends and it was like magic.

Suddenly it all made sense, we actually are all different...

 

[BOHICA]

i wouldnt recommend taking dhea solo. i also wouldnt recommend taking 6OXO and nolva together. there's just no point to it.

Fen/DHEA is effective for mild orals like SD or low dose, short term suppression. It's all I used on a 4wk SD ramp maxing out @ 40mg with a linear dose schedule.

That is where I got the idea it would be ok for the DHEA/Fen mini-PCT

Also how much fen per day in my mini-PCT's?