SUP3R DHEA Q&A

NewAgeMayan said:
The actives have, obviously, reduced the carriers thickness, but we are looking at improving this.

So yes, atm it is slightly beverage-thin :D
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You know, I'm not all that upset about the lquid nature of the product. I know it's been said, and yes I tend to agree, a slightly thicker consistency would not be a bad thing. Glad to see you guys are hearing the customer feedback!

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Now, excuse me while I put on my flame suit and secure my bulletproof vest......

I'd actually like to see less actives per ml. What?!?! For guys like me who will be "microdosing", so to speak, it's quite difficult to spread 0.5 ml beyond an extremely small patch of skin before it dries (OL TDs dry quickly, and that's cool). It's always a better idea to spread TD drugs over larger areas of skin to hopefully eliminate over-saturation of a small area. For the time being, I may just add equal parts hand sanitizer to the oral syringe before I take my shot :D. Atleast for now, my dosing will be small in order to give a fair comparison to the competitor's product.

I know value for the customer is something that OL takes pride in (and that I greatly appreciate), so if there were ever to be less actives per ml, one could always decrease the overall price point of the product to compensate. Less actives per ml may also make for a better overall end product in the long run.

Anyways, just some thoughts. Glad to see some competition in the market. Keep up the good work!
 
Hearing you with the active/carrier ratio.

As you noted, we wanted to deliver to market the most compound for the best price.

The other thing I suspect is the R&D guys noted the study doses with dhea were 400mg/d +, with no adverse sides...so I imagine this too was an influence in the final dosing of the product and Hastur's recommendations.
 
Another thing for people to keep in mind if they are considering dosing super dhea significantly lower than what is recc'd in the writeup: doing so may mean you miss out on the benefits of the other compounds in the product, particularly the osthole and acacetin.
 
Based on dosing rec. given I've been dosing 2 pumps ( 4ml ) daily for the past 4 weeks while on my sup3r-1 / sup3r-epi run. I weigh 248 lbs. Feel like this is a good dose for a guy my size. Only drawbacks I've noticed lately is that my skin where I applied the product becomes irritated when sweating. Other than that I believe it's a great addition to this cycle. As for the consistency, I emptied the product into a Tupperware container and use an oral syringe. Use surgical gloves as well. The first few times it was messy but once you get a routine down its not bad. Dermacrine was less messy but I didn't trust their pump/dosing system too much.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Hearing you with the active/carrier ratio.

As you noted, we wanted to deliver to market the most compound for the best price.

The other thing I suspect is the R&D guys noted the study doses with dhea were 400mg/d +, with no adverse sides...so I imagine this too was an influence in the final dosing of the product and Hastur's recommendations.
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The only thing I will say about the studies I have read on DHEA is that most of them have been conducted based upon oral comsumption of DHEA. I remember reading one study using a DHEA cream that used (I believe) a dose of 150mg of DHEA per day. There are studies out there that show a large difference in bioavailability of oral vs percutaneuos (TD) delivery of the the active compound. Invalid Link Removed (done on rats) shows that TD application has 33% of the bioavailability of subcutaneous administration, while oral has 3% the bio. of sub-Q delivery. That shows quite a difference between oral and TD routes of delivery. I believe there are other studies showing human oral bio. to be higher than that...... Regardless of the specifics, the point remains that there is a noted bio. difference between oral and TD delivery. Based upon anecdotal usage of other compounds, in a TD vs. oral comparison, I would guess the bioavilability factor is 2-5 fold higher with TD vs oral administration (depending on which by-product we are looking for an increase in). The suggestion of a 10-fold increase seems to be a bit much, especially considering the effects we often see with consumption of 25-50 mg or oral DHEA.

I've not done a lot of research on DHEA bioavailability so I'm happy to be pointed to some literature that would broaden my knowledge base. I am curious (maybe he did and I missed it) to hear Hastur's thoughts on using 400-500mg of TD DHEA per day. That number seems quite high to me. Although, short-term use of high doses of TD DHEA would certainly reap the most benefits and would allow for some good anabolic/androgenic and thermogenic benefits to be seen. Not much of those specific benefits can be seen in males with low daily doses of oral DHEA (outliers notwithstanding). Maybe it's just that the target audience for this product is different than the competitor? Meaning the increased dosage of actives allows this product to do what others may not be able to do....

NewAgeMayan said:
Another thing for people to keep in mind if they are considering dosing super dhea significantly lower than what is recc'd in the writeup: doing so may mean you miss out on the benefits of the other compounds in the product, particularly the osthole and acacetin.
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I hope to see some benefits of the other compounds. I wonder what the minimally effective doses of the others would be? Maybe TD application changes the game somehwat?

For me, I base my dosing off of what I have needed in the past. Being more economical, I do plan to raise my Super-DHEA dose as time goes on. You can't experiment without experimenting, I guess.

With products like these, I tend to start out with lower doses, and then increase as desired. Some people do well on DHEA products while others do not. I'd imagine it might be hard to find the individual point of dimishing returns (when factored against side-effects) when heavy or maximal dosing is used right off the bat.

Happy to hear some feedback on my thoughts from anybody that feels compelled.
 
Toren said:
The only thing I will say about the studies I have read on DHEA is that most of them have been conducted based upon oral comsumption of DHEA. I remember reading one study using a DHEA cream that used (I believe) a dose of 150mg of DHEA per day. There are studies out there that show a large difference in bioavailability of oral vs percutaneuos (TD) delivery of the the active compound. Invalid Link Removed (done on rats) shows that TD application has 33% of the bioavailability of subcutaneous administration, while oral has 3% the bio. of sub-Q delivery. That shows quite a difference between oral and TD routes of delivery. I believe there are other studies showing human oral bio. to be higher than that...... Regardless of the specifics, the point remains that there is a noted bio. difference between oral and TD delivery. Based upon anecdotal usage of other compounds, in a TD vs. oral comparison, I would guess the bioavilability factor is 2-5 fold higher with TD vs oral administration (depending on which by-product we are looking for an increase in). The suggestion of a 10-fold increase seems to be a bit much, especially considering the effects we often see with consumption of 25-50 mg or oral DHEA.

I've not done a lot of research on DHEA bioavailability so I'm happy to be pointed to some literature that would broaden my knowledge base. I am curious (maybe he did and I missed it) to hear Hastur's thoughts on using 400-500mg of TD DHEA per day. That number seems quite high to me. Although, short-term use of high doses of TD DHEA would certainly reap the most benefits and would allow for some good anabolic/androgenic and thermogenic benefits to be seen. Not much of those specific benefits can be seen in males with low daily doses of oral DHEA (outliers notwithstanding). Maybe it's just that the target audience for this product is different than the competitor? Meaning the increased dosage of actives allows this product to do what others may not be able to do....



I hope to see some benefits of the other compounds. I wonder what the minimally effective doses of the others would be? Maybe TD application changes the game somehwat?

For me, I base my dosing off of what I have needed in the past. Being more economical, I do plan to raise my Super-DHEA dose as time goes on. You can't experiment without experimenting, I guess.

With products like these, I tend to start out with lower doses, and then increase as desired. Some people do well on DHEA products while others do not. I'd imagine it might be hard to find the individual point of dimishing returns (when factored against side-effects) when heavy or maximal dosing is used right off the bat.

Happy to hear some feedback on my thoughts from anybody that feels compelled.
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alot of good info bro
 
Is it OK to apply 1/2 pump in the morning and 1/2 pump later in the day, instead of applying 1 pump (2ml) all at once? Any advantages of split dosing? And, yes, if this is watery, then using an oral syringe is probably the way to go. These transdermal products are much easier to use when they are thicker.
 
gagandugan said:
Is it OK to apply 1/2 pump in the morning and 1/2 pump later in the day, instead of applying 1 pump (2ml) all at once? Any advantages of split dosing? And, yes, if this is watery, then using an oral syringe is probably the way to go. These transdermal products are much easier to use when they are thicker.
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Splitting your apps up should be fine, but I dont believe there is an adavantage in doing so that is unique to a specific ingredient in the product.

As with most TDs, Id follow the general guideline of trying to balance dose amount and over/under-saturation. That is, as Toren pointed out as well, you dont want to be applying a fingernail amount twice per day, and nor do you really want to be applying a palmfull at once to a confined area/bodypart.

My personal guideline (dtrest, ep1c, etc) is that once my daily dose gets to 3-4ml of product, I split so doses are kept to around 2sh ml.

But convenience is another factor. Your body has a large surface area of skin to use, and there is nothing wrong with applying 4ml+ at once if you use multiple sites (ie spread the dose around: upper pec, trap, shoulder, etc).
 
Toren said:
The only thing I will say about the studies I have read on DHEA is that most of them have been conducted based upon oral comsumption of DHEA. I remember reading one study using a DHEA cream that used (I believe) a dose of 150mg of DHEA per day. There are studies out there that show a large difference in bioavailability of oral vs percutaneuos (TD) delivery of the the active compound. Invalid Link Removed (done on rats) shows that TD application has 33% of the bioavailability of subcutaneous administration, while oral has 3% the bio. of sub-Q delivery. That shows quite a difference between oral and TD routes of delivery. I believe there are other studies showing human oral bio. to be higher than that...... Regardless of the specifics, the point remains that there is a noted bio. difference between oral and TD delivery. Based upon anecdotal usage of other compounds, in a TD vs. oral comparison, I would guess the bioavilability factor is 2-5 fold higher with TD vs oral administration (depending on which by-product we are looking for an increase in). The suggestion of a 10-fold increase seems to be a bit much, especially considering the effects we often see with consumption of 25-50 mg or oral DHEA.

I've not done a lot of research on DHEA bioavailability so I'm happy to be pointed to some literature that would broaden my knowledge base. I am curious (maybe he did and I missed it) to hear Hastur's thoughts on using 400-500mg of TD DHEA per day. That number seems quite high to me. Although, short-term use of high doses of TD DHEA would certainly reap the most benefits and would allow for some good anabolic/androgenic and thermogenic benefits to be seen. Not much of those specific benefits can be seen in males with low daily doses of oral DHEA (outliers notwithstanding). Maybe it's just that the target audience for this product is different than the competitor? Meaning the increased dosage of actives allows this product to do what others may not be able to do....



I hope to see some benefits of the other compounds. I wonder what the minimally effective doses of the others would be? Maybe TD application changes the game somehwat?

For me, I base my dosing off of what I have needed in the past. Being more economical, I do plan to raise my Super-DHEA dose as time goes on. You can't experiment without experimenting, I guess.

With products like these, I tend to start out with lower doses, and then increase as desired. Some people do well on DHEA products while others do not. I'd imagine it might be hard to find the individual point of dimishing returns (when factored against side-effects) when heavy or maximal dosing is used right off the bat.

Happy to hear some feedback on my thoughts from anybody that feels compelled.
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I agree with Toren 110% what he says!
I've been a fan of low dose Dermacrine a long time, I don't respond so well on very high doses.

Would appreciate some feedback from people who are on it now. It has been out for a little while now.
 
Dragoninho said:
I agree with Toren 110% what he says!
I've been a fan of low dose Dermacrine a long time, I don't respond so well on very high doses.

Would appreciate some feedback from people who are on it now. It has been out for a little while now.
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well mine might not count , as trenavar completely killed libido and 2 ml of sup3r dhea nor .25 of caber helping....
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
estrogen man.. grab an AI prolactin doesnt become an issue until either thyroid or estrogen are out of whack.
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19 nor compounds do raise prolactin independent of thyroid or estrogen levels.
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
he's on caber so either way we know he's keeping PRL i check, so my advice is to get his estrogen in check as that could be a factor, also cortisol as well
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Cortisol should not be an issue. Unless he has a medical issue. Cortisol response from training is actually healthy and shouldn't be elevated above normal unless he has something wrong a supplement can't fix especially on roids.

If you want something you can run without "support " look into dht based stuff. Winstrol or something else
 
pyrobatt said:
Cortisol should not be an issue. Unless he has a medical issue. Cortisol response from training is actually healthy and shouldn't be elevated above normal unless he has something wrong a supplement can't fix

If you want something you can run without "support " look into dht based stuff. Winstrol or something else
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That's probably why m libido isnt taking any hits

Current stack is
Test e 600mg/w
mast e 400mg/w
75mg winny ed
90mg Xtren ed
50mcg t3
12.5m asin

havent even needed to touch caber yet but i have it on hand
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
That's probably why m libido isnt taking any hits

Current stack is
Test e 600mg/w
mast e 400mg/w
75mg winny ed
90mg Xtren ed
50mcg t3
12.5m asin

havent even needed to touch caber yet but i have it on hand
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You're taking Test with the 19 nors. You're good to go and shouldn't need caber unless you experience the " never ending boner/difficulty finishing " or difficulty emptying your bladder( which is commonly a side of prostate enlargement caused by 19 nors)
 
could it be that im running sup3r 11kt 4 ml and trenavar ?
i didnt know cortisol could effect libiddo as far as estrogen not sure cos no gyno symptoms
 
hamdysayed said:
could it be that im running sup3r 11kt 4 ml and trenavar ?
i didnt know cortisol could effect libiddo as far as estrogen not sure cos no gyno symptoms
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Can you still gain muscle? If the answer is yes ....get cortisol out of your head.

Cortisol is a selling point for supplement companies( this coming from a rep for one) and the average person shouldn't be worried.

If you had high cortisol your libido wouldn't be the first to go. Your gains and ability to get out of bed would.
 
pyrobatt said:
Can you still gain muscle? If the answer is yes ....get cortisol out of your head.

Cortisol is a selling point for supplement companies( this coming from a rep for one) and the average person shouldn't be worried.

If you had high cortisol your libido wouldn't be the first to go. Your gains and ability to get out of bed would.
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yeah gainz are awesome , the thing is i feel goood its just the damn libido oh well got couple weeks left gotta rock it abd tell wifey im just not feelin well lol
 
hamdysayed said:
yeah gainz are awesome , the thing is i feel goood its just the damn libido oh well got couple weeks left gotta rock it abd tell wifey im just not feelin well lol
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19 nors are notorious for giving dead dick. Not much can help expect for cialis ( don't use viagra it's completely useless compared to 36 hours of fun)
 
pyrobatt said:
You're taking Test with the 19 nors. You're good to go and shouldn't need caber unless you experience the " never ending boner/difficulty finishing " or difficulty emptying your bladder( which is commonly a side of prostate enlargement caused by 19 nors)
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i mean im on 2 dht derivatives a 19nor and test, pretty sure prostate enlargement will be smehwhat of a given... and Fina scares the crap out of me
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
i mean im on 2 dht derivatives a 19nor and test, pretty sure prostate enlargement will be smehwhat of a given... and Fina scares the crap out of me
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Fina is more for deca which just wrecks everything. You should be fine. You could always drop the 19 nor and do dbol blast every 4 weeks for the remainder of your cycle. Dbol 4 weeks, var ,primo or tbol in between then back to the dbol. Repeat and gain 40+ in 18 weeks of lean gains without the harshness 19 nors bring.

Basically get on that physique type of cycle.

I won't pull away from the topic too much. If you want to talk further about that stuff we can pm :)
 
pyrobatt said:
Fina is more for deca which just wrecks everything. You should be fine. You could always drop the 19 nor and do dbol blast every 4 weeks for the remainder of your cycle. Dbol 4 weeks, var ,primo or tbol in between then back to the dbol. Repeat and gain 40+ in 18 weeks of lean gains without the harshness 19 nors bring.

Basically get on that physique type of cycle.

I won't pull away from the topic too much. If you want to talk further about that stuff we can pm :)
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I appreciate the input and i PMD you
 
How long does it take Olympus UK to ship? I did order last week and I have yet to receive a tracking number or a shipping comfirmation
 
alvin1 said:
How long does it take Olympus UK to ship? I did order last week and I have yet to receive a tracking number or a shipping comfirmation
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you live in EU, correct?
 
alvin1 said:
No Canada, I went to see in my trash folder on my email
The tracking was there it is all good
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Ok, I knew you were intl lol...My orders usually take 1.5-2 weeks to Canada.
 
I have a bottle and a half of UK Legend left. I was thinking of running this (Super DHEA) with the cycle, as well as either Sup3r Epi, or Sup3r 4. Looking to mostly recomp, and add maybe a little lean muscle/mass. Which Sup3r would be a better choice?
 
Capt.Chunk said:
I have a bottle and a half of UK Legend left. I was thinking of running this (Super DHEA) with the cycle, as well as either Sup3r Epi, or Sup3r 4. Looking to mostly recomp, and add maybe a little lean muscle/mass. Which Sup3r would be a better choice?
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Sdhea would be great with LGD, I always get some degree of lethargy on it.

Gainz will tend to be better with 4, but not as dry as epiandro.
 
Capt.Chunk said:
I have a bottle and a half of UK Legend left. I was thinking of running this (Super DHEA) with the cycle, as well as either Sup3r Epi, or Sup3r 4. Looking to mostly recomp, and add maybe a little lean muscle/mass. Which Sup3r would be a better choice?
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I'd try Super-DHEA and see if it can handle "Base" duties for LGD. I like going with "least needed compound" but I'm old and worry about Prostate and Hair :D Worst case, it doesn't do the job and you just jump onto one, or both, of the other two. I did the exact same thing - bought Super-DHEA and Super-4 to have as a backup. The one thing you may need to consider, is that Epiandro can have acute effects (strength) if dosed high enough pre-workout... you may find that desirable.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'd try Super-DHEA and see if it can handle "Base" duties for LGD. I like going with "least needed compound" but I'm old and worry about Prostate and Hair :D Worst case, it doesn't do the job and you just jump onto one, or both, of the other two. I did the exact same thing - bought Super-DHEA and Super-4 to have as a backup. The one thing you may need to consider, is that Epiandro can have acute effects (strength) if dosed high enough pre-workout... you may find that desirable.
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honestly epiandro at 750mg pre workout sky rocketed my strenght for said workouts. first time getting my squat into the 500's was with epiandro
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
honestly epiandro at 750mg pre workout sky rocketed my strenght for said workouts. first time getting my squat into the 500's was with epiandro
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Unfortunately, unless it's my high Yohimbine use/dosing doing it - I have a little BPH starting. Stinging Nettle brought the "flow" back in line, but I'm wary of exogenous DHT now. I know that the latest research is blaming Estrogen, but I'd be amazed if my levels are out of range based on BF% and Water Level. I plan on getting bloods done next week (fingers crossed) to see. Also might have to bite the bullet and start going to a dang doctor for at least a physical. Yea Age 48!
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Unfortunately, unless it's my high Yohimbine use/dosing doing it - I have a little BPH starting. Stinging Nettle brought the "flow" back in line, but I'm wary of exogenous DHT now. I know that the latest research is blaming Estrogen, but I'd be amazed if my levels are out of range based on BF% and Water Level. I plan on getting bloods done next week (fingers crossed) to see. Also might have to bite the bullet and start going to a dang doctor for at least a physical. Yea Age 48!
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whats your warning sign? harder time pissing? That's happened to me on cycle but corrects itself off cycle.
 
Thanks for the input fellas. So I deduced to run both Sup3r DHEA and Sup3r Epi. Just started my LGD this am, starting with 4mg this week and then upping it to 12. Should I wait a few days to start dosing both the DHEA and Epi? Plan on running 500mg of EPI, and 2 pumps of DHEA
 
Capt.Chunk said:
Thanks for the input fellas. So I deduced to run both Sup3r DHEA and Sup3r Epi. Just started my LGD this am, starting with 4mg this week and then upping it to 12. Should I wait a few days to start dosing both the DHEA and Epi? Plan on running 500mg of EPI, and 2 pumps of DHEA
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I would start now.
 
Capt.Chunk said:
Thanks for the input fellas. So I deduced to run both Sup3r DHEA and Sup3r Epi. Just started my LGD this am, starting with 4mg this week and then upping it to 12. Should I wait a few days to start dosing both the DHEA and Epi? Plan on running 500mg of EPI, and 2 pumps of DHEA
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4mg is a waste of a dose imo.. and ive run 8 cycles with LGD incorporated
 
Just starting out with 4mg for the first few days, since I'm not sure how I'll react to the combo of this new cycle. I've run 12mg cycles for 8-10 weeks in the past. Just easing into this run, since I've been natty for over a year now.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Unfortunately, unless it's my high Yohimbine use/dosing doing it - I have a little BPH starting. Stinging Nettle brought the "flow" back in line, but I'm wary of exogenous DHT now. I know that the latest research is blaming Estrogen, but I'd be amazed if my levels are out of range based on BF% and Water Level. I plan on getting bloods done next week (fingers crossed) to see. Also might have to bite the bullet and start going to a dang doctor for at least a physical. Yea Age 48!
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I'm 55 yo and have been training for over 30 years. I'm using Super DHEA with Super-1, DermaFury, Origin and Follidrone. I just dropped the Epiandro as it just causes too many side effects if I take 500 mg. or more at a time. Since 250 mg. pre-workout does nothing for me, it's best just to leave it off.

I get serious increases in blood pressure, ****ty restless sleep, and some prostate discomfort. Honestly, for me, CU does more for strength and intensity than Epi. So, I hope the Super DHEA will control the lethargy from the 1-andro, especially since I may run it at 440 mg./day for a while at least.

Crowbar
 
Given my age, and the fact that I've had pretty intense gastrointestinal issues for some years now, Origin seems tailor made for me.

I'm 9 days in today and Origin definitely has helped my gastrointestinal issues greatly! Someone else mentioned the fact that it made them go to the bathroom less frequently. My semi-constant loose BMs have stopped, and I'm now going less frequently. Strength is also up within the first week, which is generally too soon for me to feel the 1-andro--probably the Origin and Follidrone.

Sleep was actually becoming deeper and more restful before I added the Epiandro at 5 days in.

Skin also seems to be very clear, shiny, rudy in complexion.

Crowbar
 
crowbar46 said:
I'm 55 yo...

Crowbar
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For me, it's just the age man. I haven't touched a DHT compound since I did a 19-Nor based cycle last year, and I ended PCT for Osta/Dermacrine on May 15th. So it's either naturally high levels (which, if my truck would quit breaking down - I mean what are the odds that a radiator *and* rear brake line would go out at the same time? - I could get down to Labcorp for a blood draw), or normal BPH.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
For me, it's just the age man. I haven't touched a DHT compound since I did a 19-Nor based cycle last year, and I ended PCT for Osta/Dermacrine on May 15th. So it's either naturally high levels (which, if my truck would quit breaking down - I mean what are the odds that a radiator *and* rear brake line would go out at the same time? - I could get down to Labcorp for a blood draw), or normal BPH.
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Yeah, I simply have to be much more careful running cycles anymore. I can no longer do any highly androgenic substances.

On a positive note, since dropping the Epiandro sleep was incredible last night! Also, I'm definitely getting some estrogen conversion from the Super DHEA; I'm holding some water (weight is up 5Lbs. in 10 days since starting the cycle, 5 days since starting the DHEA) and while 1-andro will increase glycogen loading, not this quickly to this extent.

I can feel the water in my hands, so I'll be cutting sodium and increasing potassium.

Overall, I feel much better after dropping the Epiandro. Now let's see what this stuff (Super DHEA and Origin) can do!

Crowbar
 
Any negative reports from the Osthole? I did some research into osthole and saw a lot of negative feedback regarding light headedness and nausea. I know it was used in White Blood 2 from controlled labs and it caused a lot of issues with people, me included.

Any such issues reported with Sup3r DHEA users? Thanks
 
m1k3_d0z4 said:
Any negative reports from the Osthole? I did some research into osthole and saw a lot of negative feedback regarding light headedness and nausea. I know it was used in White Blood 2 from controlled labs and it caused a lot of issues with people, me included.

Any such issues reported with Sup3r DHEA users? Thanks
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I don't know alot about science, I'll use common sense though.
it probably gives stomach issues cos it was ingested.
but sup3r dhea is transdermal,so doubt it will upset stomach I could be wrong.
but Ihave been using it for over a month and no issue
 
m1k3_d0z4 said:
Any negative reports from the Osthole? I did some research into osthole and saw a lot of negative feedback regarding light headedness and nausea. I know it was used in White Blood 2 from controlled labs and it caused a lot of issues with people, me included.

Any such issues reported with Sup3r DHEA users? Thanks
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I havent heard any reports of this nature.

Two things to keep in mind, though. Who knows what %extract was in WB2, and exactly what amount (it was a prop blend, and looked to be at least 200mg).

Ours is a 50% extract, and has 50mg/ml.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
I havent heard any reports of this nature.

Two things to keep in mind, though. Who knows what %extract was in WB2, and exactly what amount (it was a prop blend, and looked to be at least 200mg).

Ours is a 50% extract, and has 50mg/ml.
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can oral vs td make difference as far as stomach issues?
 
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