SUP3R-4 prohormone
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VaughnTrue
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you dont have to run an estrogen block, but you can do so as 4-andro can and does convert into estrogen as well as testosterone. something like novedex xt may be a good option
VO2Maxima
Active member
You don't need an 8 week PCT for 4 weeks of 4-andro. Also, our andros kick in pretty fast, but I'd still say to try 6 weeks. 4 weeks is pretty short. You could go 6 weeks on + 4 weeks PCT. What do you have planned for PCT?
Are you running Sup3r-4 alone? Or as a test base with something else (e.g. Sup3r-1 + Sup3r-4 is a common ph cycle)? What are you goals?
It's a good idea to have an AI on hand. You may not need it, but you'll have it in case.
Are you running Sup3r-4 alone? Or as a test base with something else (e.g. Sup3r-1 + Sup3r-4 is a common ph cycle)? What are you goals?
It's a good idea to have an AI on hand. You may not need it, but you'll have it in case.
dam041272
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Yes, running it alone to see how my body copes with it. Don't want spots and man boobs! Is this why I might need to use an AI? And would i run that alongside the PH, with the PCT or with both?
I've bought Iron Labs PCT Extreme.
Just want a bit of size, especially on the biceps!
Been training in the gym for 16 months...only now starting to see a bit of shape and size around my shoulders (nothing major), thought i'd try this and see what happens.
I'll try a 6 week of Sup3r-4 and then 4 weeks PCT then...and i'll update my progress here.
Thanks for your help guys
I've bought Iron Labs PCT Extreme.
Just want a bit of size, especially on the biceps!
Been training in the gym for 16 months...only now starting to see a bit of shape and size around my shoulders (nothing major), thought i'd try this and see what happens.
I'll try a 6 week of Sup3r-4 and then 4 weeks PCT then...and i'll update my progress here.
Thanks for your help guys
Brandinooooo
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Couple things:
4-andro's estrogen conversion can easily be taken care of by an otc ai or cycle support with an ai. Its conversion is mild.
You need to run 4-andro at atleast 300mg for 6 weeks. 4 weeks is a waste of time and money in my opinion. Go 6-8 weeks with a 4 week pct. 8 weeks is serious overkill.
Brandinooooo
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I personally like 1-andro. I've had great gains in strength and vascularity. Go 330mg for the 6 weeks if you get Su3pr-1.I'm beginning to see where you're coming from. Looking into sup3r-1 to run with the 4 andro now. Expensive hobby this looking good thing, isn't it?
Any recommendations on a good AI?
Since your running Olympus UK products, use Ar1micare PRO for your cycle support and ai.
Haha it can be expensive especially when you start to run multiple aas at once. $500+ is an average cycle for me lol.
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ordered the Ar1macare too. Do I take that with the PH and carry on taking it with the PCT? 
thebigt
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Ok...one more questionordered the Ar1macare too. Do I take that with the PH and carry on taking it with the PCT?
Thanks In advance. You've all been great with no snidey comments
that is how we roll here at AM, welcome to the forum-stick around and see!!!
Brandinooooo
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Yes you take it from the beginning of the cycle to the end. If I have caps left by the time pct starts, I just continue taking them until its empty. No reason to keep a few doses around.Ok...one more question
Thanks In advance. You've all been great with no snidey comments
Like my bro said, we're always here to help.
dam041272
New member
If you're always here to help...can I pick your brains on one more thing?
I've got my head around the PH and PCT cycles with AI support.
I've done some Googling but can't find a solid answer on how to alter my workouts on the PH cycle and then the PCT cycle.
Do I aim to hit failure between 8-12 reps on the PH and then up the weight and fail at lower rep range on the PCT?
Nac
Well-known member
IMO...whatever training protocol(s) get you progressing under "normal" conditions, are the very same ones you should use on-cycle, PCT, bulking, cutting, whatever.
Generally speaking, PH/AAS/etc will enable atypical (quicker/greater) progress than "normal". Makes sense to stick with what works at any other time.
Of course, always exceptions to the rule. Alot of the 'majoring in the minor' variables you will have to experiment with through trial and error; no-one can tell you "this will/wont work!!" But the idea is that you dont have to do different training protocols for on-cycle vs PCT vs natty etc.
Generally speaking, PH/AAS/etc will enable atypical (quicker/greater) progress than "normal". Makes sense to stick with what works at any other time.
Of course, always exceptions to the rule. Alot of the 'majoring in the minor' variables you will have to experiment with through trial and error; no-one can tell you "this will/wont work!!" But the idea is that you dont have to do different training protocols for on-cycle vs PCT vs natty etc.
dam041272
New member
Ok thanks Nac, I'll just stick to what I'm doing at the gym at the moment then.
This is all a trial run for me anyway, having only ever dabbled with creatine etc. Never dreamt that I'd try anything that could harm me!
Fingers crossed that I see a difference over the next 10 weeks of my cycles.
This is all a trial run for me anyway, having only ever dabbled with creatine etc. Never dreamt that I'd try anything that could harm me!
Fingers crossed that I see a difference over the next 10 weeks of my cycles.
DEVANS89
Well-known member
You should run a log of the stack, be an interesting read
dam041272
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I was thinking of keeping a food/supplement diary actually.
I'll start by taking some pics tomorrow and then weekly over the 10 weeks.
If it works for me, it might help somebody else I suppose.
Just found a 4 week workout routine too, so will start smashing that first thing in the morning
Brandinooooo
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Simply continue doing the same work out you've been doing. Or you can switch to a new program for your cycle. But regardless of which you decide to do, do not change it when you go into PCT. Continue what ever program you were doing during your cycle.
The_Old_Guy
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Anabolic hormones can looked at very (very, very, very....) simply as doing 2 major things: Increasing protein synthesis/retention and recovering faster from workouts. Nac was spot on in that if you have a kick a$$ progressive, periodized program now - don't change it. But, if you can squeeze in some more volume, the extra recovery can be put to good use. But that's an individual thing that you'll have to test. As long as frequency and volume hit the minimums (with the minimum intensity) - you should be good. Oh, and make sure you eat enough - but not too much
Edit: One more thing - you may want to grab a separate supplement if you are worried about Cholesterol on cycle. If in the US, Red Yeast Rice is neutered, and doesn't contain the natural statin (Monocolin-K) in any appreciable amount that controls Cholesterol. (Not that I'm a big fan of statins anyway). Look at other, natural ways to control it like upping Fish (or fish oil) intake, etc... Investigate each of the things on here:
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dam041272
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So...I'm 2 weeks into the sup3r-1 and sup3r-4 stack and I've had a spot come up on my thigh.
There's no head on it but think it's infected.
If I go to the doctors and he prescribes me antibiotics, can I take them with the stack? Bear in mind they're non-methylated.
I've done some googling and come up with no answers.
Too scared to go to the doc!!
There's no head on it but think it's infected.
If I go to the doctors and he prescribes me antibiotics, can I take them with the stack? Bear in mind they're non-methylated.
I've done some googling and come up with no answers.
Too scared to go to the doc!!
scump
Member
not many antibiotics affect the liver if thats your concern, a few do but its well known.
As you said being non-methylated there should be significantly less stress on the liver anyway, if you do get anti-biotics for the lesion on your legs i doubt these will be hepatatoxic but another option is just be honest with the doctor and tell him.
Unless there is a genuine interaction between these compounds and antibiotics, yes you could definitely take them on this stack.
The_Old_Guy
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The_Old_Guy
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Ask him if he thinks Bactroban (Mupirocin) could handle it.
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If you have an infection, you *need* to go to the doc (well, you can get Fish Antibiotics online, which are just human antibiotics (Pill imprints FTW!) but cheaper....but I digress).
irishiron300
Member
Go to the doc.
FYI the andros are not illegal and can be sold as supplements in the U.K. and U.S.
scump
Member
lol your work has no access to your medical records.
If you're really worried just see a different doctor and list that at your work... what kind of work makes you list who your GP is?
p.s. oh my gosh not tell you to stop taking them?!?!? how will you deal with that? haha nut up son.