Summer cycle critique

laserbluess

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done multiple logs on here before, but my stats have changed a bit. 23, will turn 24 during the cycle. still 5'11" 197lbs. 11.3 -12% bodyfat (i have pics somewhere in the weight loss section). lifting for 5 years now. so, i have not run anything since last summer, which was a nice helladrol run and i loved it. so, i was thinking of doing it again this summer. Here is the game plan for now:

Helladrol: 75/75/100/100/100/100

P-stanz: 200/200/250/250/300/300

11-oxo topical (homemade): 125/125/125/125/125/125

(a big maybe, possible overkill) tren-e (prodienolone): 0/0/60/60/60/60 (i have 1 bottle left)


PCT: i have torem, clomid, and nolva at the ready but can't decide which i like using best. my first inclination is clomid.

clomid: 50/50/50/50

DAA: 3/3/3/3

Some kind of preworkout + creatine.

this is going to be a ridiculous recomp effort on my part. i did really well dropping body fat using just clen and cardio back in october, so im guessing this will be a fun ride. planning on 4 lifting days, with 3 cardio days. 30-45 min cardio on non-lifting days. 15 - 20 min on lifting days. really hoping to drop down to single digits and just get leannnnn! and stay between 195-200lbs. obviously adjust my calories as needed.

any critique is welcome. also, the tren-e is a big maybe. its just been sitting in my drawer for 3 years now and i was waiting for the right time to use it. if i dont use it this cycle, ill just give it to my brother.
 
Looks pretty decent honestly, I'm not sure what to recomend re:tren-e, but everything else looks solid, definitely log it.

ManBeast
 
will do. im thinking the tren-e is a bit much. 3 seems like a decent amount even though 11 oxo and p-stanz are mild. ive got a while to think about it though.

thanks MB. always nice to get your input.

here are those pics just for shyts and giggles

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If you have that bottle of tren-e... I'd really suggest stacking that with your pstanz. Dienedione is really good at deregulating your bodies natural DHT levels, which is our natural estrogen blocker, thus making pstanz a great base.

Just my .02
 
The 11-oxo seems a bit under dosed but I am not sure about transdermal dosing of it. The hella, p-stan and 11-oxo would already make a solid recomp/cut cycle.
 
for the 11 oxo, i hear that a transdermal is quite a bit more bioavailable than oral. 5% with oral, which is why some dose it up to 900mg a day orally (very expensive), where as a transdermal has about 30% availability (just from what i have read, and what others have noticed). also, i have 10grams of 11 oxo powder and will be mixing it into the PP transdermal carrier. so, i guess i could go up to 200mg of topical 11 oxo per day cause that should last 50 days.
 
alrighty, just got everything i need! now i just play the waiting game. i got antsy and ordered another bottle of pstanz to up the dose to 400mg a day, and a tad over 200mg of 11 oxo per day. helladrol will be the same dosing as first stated. and i decided not to use the pro-dienolone. i feel like that would just be over kill and lead to more side effects. anywho, now i just have to wait til mid June! anyone interested in it being a log with weekly picture updates?
 
interested in the topical 11 oxo, please log
 
thats cool, ive just started a hella cycle so i wont be doing another one till august.
 
Since you have both on hand, maybe use nolvadex and clomid in pct...

Nolvadex: 20/10/10/0
Clomid: 50/50/25/25

That way you get the HTPA support of Clomid without the emo sides, and the E blocking of Nolvadex.
 
csa2179: cool man. enjoy it! i love me some helladrol

tansui: thanks for the advice bro. that's what i'll do.

i have asked a few people their opinion on the pro-dienolone and they all had the same answer of "do it". they all agreed that using p-stanz without the pro-dienolone is a waste. i have plenty of time to decide, but it's awfully tempting to throw in the pro-dienolone.
 
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