Suggestions; what to add to a Tamox cycle

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I'm about to do a 2 month 20mg ED tamox cycle. Have some gyno that's giving me headaches and I want to reduce it as much as possible. I am not on cycle, my last cycle was 4 months ago, and I do not want to go on cycle. It's summer, I hate being on cycle when it's hot ...

Anyway, as I know what tamox does to my libido and mood, I want to add something that wont suppress me more then 50 -70% but will keep my mood and libido up. Was thinking maybe just proviron at 50mg or maybe even primo at 100mg, or heck, what about DHB at 100mg : D Talked about androsten... something something that I can't seem to remember it's name. Androstenedione? Or maybe Mast at 100mg, mast also helps with gyno/estro directly ... Methyl's and c17 orals are out of the question as I have some Billirubin chit that I am dealing with atm. Although var at 10mg wouldn't be so bad probably, I would still like to avoid it.

Anyway, curious about your opinions, tnx
 
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Tamox alone will not REDUCE gyno at all... it will only prevent it from getting worse by blocking the receptors...

A much more common cycle for gyno redux (and one I have personally used) would be Ralox + Letro.
 

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Yeah was thinking ralox and letro as I read the post....

not seeing the point of a tamox only tbh.

I always keep a stock of those two in just in case
 
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While I've used ralox in the past, I've also used tamox and they both work more or less just the same. Ralox is better but tamox is also effective and has been used for gyno treatment for a long time. It's still mostly the defacto treatment options thath MD's prescribe.

Results: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients.


In any case, I cant get a hold of ralox atm. Unfortunately in EU we don't have RC sites like MA's ... and I can't find an ugl that has it in stock. So tamox it is ...

Anyawy, what would ya'll recommend? How liver toxic is androstenedione? And is it basically only a PH for DHT? So is thus more logical to just use Mast (which I have in my drawer)? I also have proviron. But was also thinking maybe primo, to help with my cut, need to lose 4 more pounds and it's really a pain keeping muscle mass without a gym.
 

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While I've used ralox in the past, I've also used tamox and they both work more or less just the same. Ralox is better but tamox is also effective and has been used for gyno treatment for a long time. It's still mostly the defacto treatment options thath MD's prescribe.

Results: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients.


In any case, I cant get a hold of ralox atm. Unfortunately in EU we don't have RC sites like MA's ... and I can't find an ugl that has it in stock. So tamox it is ...

Anyawy, what would ya'll recommend? How liver toxic is androstenedione? And is it basically only a PH for DHT? So is thus more logical to just use Mast (which I have in my drawer)? I also have proviron. But was also thinking maybe primo, to help with my cut, need to lose 4 more pounds and it's really a pain keeping muscle mass without a gym.
brother, in the EU we have our pharmacy with exceptional opening hours 😉
 
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sustain alpha will keep libido and mood really nice.
 
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Resveratrol and 7,8-benzoflavone ... While I'm up for trying otc products, I am going to try something more potent. Tnx
 

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Resveratrol and 7,8-benzoflavone ... While I'm up for trying otc products, I am going to try something more potent. Tnx
I have come to the conclusion that it doesnt make difference i if i, say, go all in and do trt dose of test and shut myself down fully or if i use some semi suppressive stuff like xi kt. I still need to pct after.

If hcg is used pct poses no issues and i feel fine.

However, an inevitable crash comes for me months later, and it is something i wasnt able to fully comprehend yet.
 
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I have come to the conclusion that it doesnt make difference i if i, say, go all in and do trt dose of test and shut myself down fully or if i use some semi suppressive stuff like xi kt. I still need to pct after.

If hcg is used pct poses no issues and i feel fine.

However, an inevitable crash comes for me months later, and it is something i wasnt able to fully comprehend yet.
I dont want to go on cycle. Really. I want to be "my self", psychologically speaking. Cycling turns me into somebody else and I don't want that atm. Besides, it's summer. Cycling sucks in summer time. I really just want to avoid the loss of lybido and mood while on the serm.
 

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I dont want to go on cycle. Really. I want to be "my self", psychologically speaking. Cycling turns me into somebody else and I don't want that atm. Besides, it's summer. Cycling sucks in summer time. I really just want to avoid the loss of lybido and mood while on the serm.
I understand, i just said that in my experience taking sth semi-suppressive ends up in me being suppressed.

And i get it when you say you become someone else. I also did. Even on just 100mg of test, i am more of my 16 yeard old self lol.

I find that i am most stable on roughly 100mg of test. Being off, oike now, i find myself to be too mellow and emotional. More test, and i lack empathy.


I find that i listen to totally different music on test and off test. Amazing, but true.
 
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You should consider adding Igf-1 lr3, many claim that it enhances libido and mood, plus, Nolva will tank your igf levels in blood.
And it's win win situation, you can even gain with it...
 
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You should consider adding Igf-1 lr3, many claim that it enhances libido and mood, plus, Nolva will tank your igf levels in blood.
And it's win win situation, you can even gain with it...
Actually, I'm ordering cjcdac and hex ... but am not counting on that to help with mood that much. You basically saying igf1 has mood/libido enhancing properties? Or just lr3?
 
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Actually, I'm ordering cjcdac and hex ... but am not counting on that to help with mood that much. You basically saying igf1 has mood/libido enhancing properties? Or just lr3?
Well igf-1 overall, lr3 is just less hustle, with it needing to inject it just once a day. I use it in my every pct, it makes huge difference
 
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Interesting.

I had suspicion that ig1 helps with mood. I once gave my mother Mk, and she quit after a week or two. Saying she felt to aggressive, that she just started jelling at people and storming out off meetings ...
 

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Damn, has anybody seen prices for mast lately? It's like 70€ for E.
Got 10 grams of mast e powder 😎

But in all seriousness, a useless compound for me, side effects in a bottle. Test and proviron are better than it at everything.
 
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Got 10 grams of mast e powder 😎

But in all seriousness, a useless compound for me, side effects in a bottle. Test and proviron are better than it at everything.
Seems like a good idea in my case, as not should it only help with mood and libido but also helps with e2. Mast was once used for such purposes just in and by it self.
 

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Seems like a good idea in my case, as not should it only help with mood and libido but also helps with e2. Mast was once used for such purposes just in and by it self.
In my case it worsens the mood even at lower doses. For example even at 100-200mg a week, i just cant stand anything. Cheeky individuals the most. I remember being at a family lunch and an older relative was trying to make fun of me for doing "stupid sh1t" in my shop/garage. I was on 100mg test and i injected 100mg of masteron few days before. I was sooooooooo close to flipping the entire table onto him and jumpkicking hin into the face. I felt extremely moody after the iniection and it culminated at that lunch. I restrained myself barely, smacked the hell out of the table and left.

And the traffic ooooh man. Thinking about side ramming the car in front of you into the streetlight because he is an idiot driving too slow.

Clomid gives me similar rage issues. Test and proviron on the other hand i feel pretty calm.
 
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In my case it worsens the mood even at lower doses. For example even at 100-200mg a week, i just cant stand anything. Cheeky individuals the most. I remember being at a family lunch and an older relative was trying to make fun of me for doing "stupid sh1t" in my shop/garage. I was on 100mg test and i injected 100mg of masteron few days before. I was sooooooooo close to flipping the entire table onto him and jumpkicking hin into the face. I felt extremely moody after the iniection and it culminated at that lunch. I restrained myself barely, smacked the hell out of the table and left.

And the traffic ooooh man. Thinking about side ramming the car in front of you into the streetlight because he is an idiot driving too slow.

Clomid gives me similar rage issues. Test and proviron on the other hand i feel pretty calm.
This story ... it's beginning to sound like a myth, a fable : D "CroLifter and his Mast yourney"
 
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If you have proof of someone getting rid of gyno after 4 months of having it. I’d like to see.
Dude just f-in google raloxifene and gynecomastia. Official studies have been done on it. It removed or substantially diminshed gyno. Even pubertal gyno got hammered. And you don't need to look at official research even; plenty of guys have used ralox to help with existing gyno. Tamox also. Do some research before blatantly posting uneducated opinions and creating unnecessary side discussions.
 

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Dude just f-in google raloxifene and gynecomastia. Official studies have been done on it. It removed or substantially diminshed gyno. Even pubertal gyno got hammered. And you don't need to look at official research even; plenty of guys have used ralox to help with existing gyno. Tamox also. Do some research before blatantly posting uneducated opinions and creating unnecessary side discussions.
You’re correct. They have used it to “help with gynecomastia” not to actually get rid of it completely and diminishing the gland that can still reoccur. If the gland is still there is can still be a problem.
But you’re 100% correct it has been used to reduce the size of the lump and to take away some of the soreness and puffy nips. But if you want it completely gone and for it to never reoccur again, surgery.
 
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But you’re 100% correct it has been used to reduce the size of the lump and to take away some of the soreness and puffy nips. But if you want it completely gone and for it to never reoccur again, surgery.
Granted, I was a bit liberal with "removed". Actual glands can't be removed (or at least I don't think so). I was speaking in a sense that it is no longer visible and that the soft tissue fatty mass behind the nipple has been more or less diminished.
 
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Surgery.

4 months of having gyno. Too late to reverse now.
Not sure if it’ll help people who have developed voluptuous bitch tits from Gyno. But Ralox has worked great for me in getting rid of hard lumps and puffy, sore nips that persisted longer than 4 months.
Plan on dosing 50-60ish mg for 2-3 months. It takes a little while to start working so don’t be discouraged if nothing happens in the first week or two.
If you have those symptoms it’s well worth trying before considering surgery!

Good luck with your tits
 

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Since this discussion is touching the topic, I hope it's ok to throw in a question.

Do you guys happen to know if Ralox helps with pseudogyno (or any other product for that matter)? I might have both as in many cases people have, but it's mostly just soft fat right behind the nipples and a bit next to it. Left is way bigger btw.

I'm farely lean otherswise and I just cut about 6 lbs of bodyfat (fat - not weight), but the gyno fat didn't subside at all or at least I don't notice any improvement. Also I have had at least 12 lbs more bodyfat than I have now a few years ago and I did not have this kind of 'boobs'.

Just trying to underline here that it's not a case of "just lose some fat". Surely the body would have to get rid of it if I could manage to get to something like 6-8 bf%, but I don't think I can ever achieve that.

Anyway all comments and advice appreciated. I hope this is not high jacking the threat, fist post, peace.
 
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Has anybody pinned mast subq? I have prop at 100mg ml and e at 200mg ml. Was thinking of starting with 100mg/week. So that would be cca 0.13ml of prop ed pinned subq.

E I would just inject IM 2xweek. But I want to try prop first as I have a limited amount of E.
 

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Has anybody pinned mast subq? I have prop at 100mg ml and e at 200mg ml. Was thinking of starting with 100mg/week. So that would be cca 0.13ml of prop ed pinned subq.

E I would just inject IM 2xweek. But I want to try prop first as I have a limited amount of E.
I pinned test subq and didnt seem to notice difference. Perhaps less of a "rush" that night, i would sometimes get amped up at night if i injected in the morning.

Those were small volumes i pinned subq (up to 0.25ml) so no lumps or anything. However, i never pinned the stomach. Not even hcg. Always thigh fat.
 

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Has anybody pinned mast subq? I have prop at 100mg ml and e at 200mg ml. Was thinking of starting with 100mg/week. So that would be cca 0.13ml of prop ed pinned subq.

E I would just inject IM 2xweek. But I want to try prop first as I have a limited amount of E.
Ive tried pinning just about everything Ive run subq, and my recommendation would be to avoid doing so with compounds that tend to produce pip (dhb, bold cyp, etc)...you should be fine with mast E.
 

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