hardasnails1973
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Shippen kind of sneared at when we ask him about supplements. Yes that is the brand that he carries LOL
Sub q testosterone
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Shippen kind of sneared at when we ask him about supplements. Yes that is the brand that he carries LOL
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This is not a good example of SubQ because the person in question was using too high a dosage of T Cyp. Read my responses to him in the same thread.
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It's amazing how getting the salt up in the body makes such a big difference. I was there and I know the feeling. I'm glad you're feeling better Phil.
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This is good to know. I didn't think it would be possible to use such a small needle.
How long does it take for you to inject it in? Does any of the T Cyp leak out at all (I would imagine not, since the hole is so small)?
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Here is a lengthy thread on the subject.
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Dr. Shippens patients claim that Dr. Shippen says subq shots lead to less aromatization and steadier T levels.
The subq shots would definitely deliver more slowly and more consistently than IM, and these are conducive to the above claims. As to aromatatizaton in the skin, this appears not to be a problem according to Dr. Shippens patients, and to Dr. Shippen, because he has adopted this method. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and I guess he has enough patients on this regimen to be satisfied with it's results.
I have never done a subq T Cyp regimen, so I can't speak from personal experience. I once did 2 shots subq, but I had to abandon shots altogether because of other lab results at the time (in favor of a TD regimen, which I am currently on), so I never did it long enough to have an opinion.
Mr. V
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I am Vforcer2 on the Mesorx forums.
Before I started the subq shots I had tried creams, IM Cyp, and pellets. I never had any E2 problems with those methods.
When I started the subq shots with 50mg E3D everything was fine for about a month to six weeks. I then blood tested and my T levels were in the 900 range and my E2 was high so I backed off to 42 or 44 mgs(can't remember)to try to get down around 750-800 TT. Not long after I started getting SERIOUS acne(indicating high e2) and breast tenderness(I sound like my wife), so I backed down again to 36mg. When that still did not resolve the problem I started extending a day or 2 before my next shot. I then ordered some liquidex and started taking it at .25 mg twice per week.
I finally gave up on trying to tweak this protocol as it clearly was not meant to be for me.
Tom at Solutions Pharmacy, whom knows Shippen, warned me in the beginning and told me that the release rate for subq is FASTER, NOT SLOWER than IM (Phil said he was wrong) and that it would cause my T levels to spike. I finally surmised he must be correct because of my inability to control the E2. I also had serious hair shedding while on subq.
I went back to 1600mgs of fused pellets and am once again a happy camper.
JanSz
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Getting T into syringe--- 4min (+-15 sec depending on how easy bubles float to the top).
Injection takes about a minute, I try to not rush (tissue irritation??)
30sec to 1 minute rubbibng, to spread the oil, not sure if really necessary.
Removing needle, I get tiny spot of oil, probably 1/4 of a drop
Not sure if that is good enough reason to change to 1/2inch needle.
To account for that I increased my dose from 28units to 30 units.
hardasnails1973
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I am getting blood work done as well on 1/2 inch injections of 45 mgs of T cyp injections every 3 days in thigh with a dex .40 mgs on days of injection for e2 and 25 mgs DHEA. I like vtaper have been having a hard time to stabilize e2 levels. I can not complain stregth is incredible bent over row with 405 for reps and 425 bench at 191 lbs, but e2 side effects low or high its so hard to distinguish (bloating constipation, lack of rem sleep, thick skin, memory problems, indigetion problems). Once i get e2 stabilzed then hcg will be added in. Still waiting on freaken dr to call for pregnelone creame will fill in the gaps so to speak. I am taking ioderal and getting a specific urine test from great smokies to measure estrogen and also its methyated metaboliteds to see how my liver is functioning. This ought to hold alot of vital clues to if ioderal is doing what it suppose to be doing with out the DIM and may open up new doors to how important iodine is in estrogen metabolism
hardasnails1973
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THANK YOU
THATS THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR !! If it was considered IM or SQ at 1/2 inch
1cc
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You may want to use a larger needle to get in deeper. You can also place your sterilized finger on the injection spot immediately after the shot to prevent leakage. You can also look into z-track method of injecting, although I don't know how practical that would be with SubQ. Check the attached file.
RPHMark
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1/2 " in the thigh, unless you have a high body fat % is IM, just not deep IM, as 1and 1/2" would be. I would think for the purposes of this discussion we are essentially identifying SC as in the abdominal fat. My injections are 1/2" 29gauge in the thigh and I can definetly tell they go IM.