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This can't be good.
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Independent Online Edition > Middle East
This can't be good.
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Or a palestinian child (at least 24 Palestinians dead. These included seven children) or Lebanese civilian (at least 22 civilians were reported killed) or anyone who flys into Beruit int'l airport (warplanes struck the runways of Beirut's international airport...Two flights arriving at the airport had to return to Larnaca Airport) or an Israeli civilian who is in the wrong place when retaliation is sure to come or for a free Lebanese state that does not want to see the Syrians and others come back and fight proxy wars on their soil...Not good if you're a palestinian extremist or the lebonese.
Yeah...great point! (for a 23 year old kid that is)Otherwise, its got its upside.
Doesn't this depend on whose ox is being gored?...most of their actions are justified and necessary.
Be careful there you might be mistaken for a racist.Its obvious diplomacy doesn't work with some people...
Sounds like you are talking about the United States' Establishment and the 99% of the population they rule. Of course it could very well be the Israeli Establishment, the 99.5% of the population they rule and those propaganized minds resident elsewhere who think they have a connection to the homeland.Its sad, but its human nature. Those in control are willing to sacrifice (and manipulate) the poor, stupid populace to attain a goal and the stupid populace will grab onto any ideology based on a strong foundation (religion) and defend it with vigor so long as there is a breath in their body.
No...I don't give a crap about the Israeli's and my experience with american israeli's has not been any different than american arabs, so I have no reason to pick favorites. I think you should be asking yourself the same question.Doesn't this depend on whose ox is being gored?
I think this is very telling about "you", not me. Diplomacy isn't working with "many" (not all) middle eastern parties, north korea, and it didn't work well with imperialist japan or communist russia. Now that I think about it...diplomacy doesn't work very often when you get, period.Be careful there you might be mistaken for a racist.
I said "human nature" didnt I? there you go again, ASSuming I'm talking about "one people". Get over it.Sounds like you are talking about the United States' Establishment and the 99% of the population they rule. Of course it could very well be the Israeli Establishment, the 99.5% of the population they rule and those propaganized minds resident elsewhere who think they have a connection to the homeland.
Absodamnlutlywell said brutha !
No NO NO! I did not denegrate the fine young men and women serving in our armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. My brother in fact is serving in Iraq today and in Afghanistan previously. Why did you choose to read that in my post?It boggles my mind that people can call our military troops "stupid" as you implied . These stupid men and women operate the most impressive aspects of war and peace ever seen in the world. These stupid people keep you safe to make these ignorant comments about them.
I am actually one of the few that profits handsomely from exactly the set-up we have in this country. Hate it...LOL...I love it!!!!If you hate it.. leave, there is nothing stopping you to move to another country.
You and others are mistaken. I am not a leftist. I am not pro-palestinian. You choose to misinterpret my point of view and give me a pejorative label. Concerning your opinion that my view-point is "stupid crap" I choose to only smile.This is pretty typical. I should have expected it. say something that most leftists / pro palestinian's dont like and they spew back "you're racist" and other stupid crap.
Sounds good to me.Well...let bygones be bygones I suppose
The UN is the successor of the League of Nations. Both of which are useless and impotent organizations. Look at what good the LON did during WWII. If you wait for the UN to make a move that is good for humanity, you'll be waiting for a long time. In hitlers words, they'll probably just perform another one of their famous "sitzkreig's" (sits-kreig) the next time they are faced with a dangerous foe.Israel's Govt is whack....so is ours for being the only country in the U.N to veto a resolution that said the Jews were using too much force...so the U.S is saying its ok too attack and kill 60 people so far over 2 soldiers in Lebanon....People in the U.S need to quit watching Fox News and wake up to the fact that our support for Israel is never going to benefit us in anyway...and it just wasnt the British involved in the sending the Jews to Palestine....its our fundamentalist Christian Leaders who believe that the Jews belong in Palestine according to the Bible...So I guess if a Crip or a Blood from Compton kill two Police Officers we'll just send in the U.S Millitary to Bomb the Hood to ruble and ash..
The UN is the successor of the League of Nations. Both of which are useless and impotent organizations. Look at what good the LON did during WWII. If you wait for the UN to make a move that is good for humanity, you'll be waiting for a long time. In hitlers words, they'll probably just perform another one of their famous "sitzkreig's" (sits-kreig) the next time they are faced with a dangerous foe.
This wasn't about "two kidnappings". that was a straw that broke the camel's back. This is about the fact that the "supposed" problem and the cause for all of the attackigns was the "illegal occupation", by israel, of such places as gaza and lebanon. Well, israel left lebanon years ago adn gave back gaza, forcing its own citizens out of their homes. The result, NOT ONE DAY have the bombing and violence stopped. It has continued and the death of their citizens has continued despite generous movements by the Israelis. This proves that the Islamic fundamentalists in that area, which are obviously numberous, wish to destroy israel and there is no legitimate reason for their actions. So, Israel is doing what it must to survive, period.
Think past the drool on your chin and quit listening to the morons in the LA and NY times who are nothing but dellusional communists with a utopian dream and a hate for all things western and democratic.
Damn right. The should give that land right back a soon as we hand over America to the Indians. Except my house. I'm keeping that."illegal occupation" by the Jews is all of Palestine that they call Israel...the whole piece of land was never the Jews to begin with...for thousand of years b4 WWII that land didnt have one Jew on it.....how would u feel if someone came and took ur home from u and treated u worst than livestock and told u that ur home is no longer urs...i guess u wouldnt happen to know bout that buddy would u ...
Damn right. The should give that land right back a soon as we hand over America to the Indians. Except my house. I'm keeping that.
When you say bomb ballistic I am going to just guess you are meaning bombing them. You are right. You are wrong if you don't think we wouldn't go and get them.Hey bro if the Indians from some tribe killed some Sheriffs or whatever we wouldnt invade their reservation and go bomb ballistic on them
Oh...so we should just let everyone have them since they're "bargaining chips" right?Nukes are barganing chips...no country would actually be stupid enough to set one off...cuz if ur not the U.S or Russia your asking to have ur country wiped off the Map by the rest of the world...regardless if its Israel, North Korea, Iran etc
Hezbollah at its very core is a business. The key people in Hezbollah profit very greatly from running the organization. They profit from controling an area, having access to certain middle east underworld connections and trading in illicit goods/services and weapons. This small group w/in sanctions all sorts of "business" transactions w/ tertiary intelligence groups from all of the western nations as well as with those "well-connected" groups that profit from the black market....Groups like Hezbollah are really, truly, unable to be bartered with...
More baseless leftist garbage.... Go watch a Michael Moore movie, he might provide you with some even more worthless arguments.Israel's Govt is whack....so is ours for being the only country in the U.N to veto a resolution that said the Jews were using too much force...so the U.S is saying its ok too attack and kill 60 people so far over 2 soldiers in Lebanon....People in the U.S need to quit watching Fox News and wake up to the fact that our support for Israel is never going to benefit us in anyway...and it just wasnt the British involved in the sending the Jews to Palestine....its our fundamentalist Christian Leaders who believe that the Jews belong in Palestine according to the Bible...So I guess if a Crip or a Blood from Compton kill two Police Officers we'll just send in the U.S Millitary to Bomb the Hood to ruble and ash..
Actually about 40% of the Lebanese population is Christian.Its time for the Muslims to move on.
That's true, Orthodox Christians. They can stayActually about 40% of the Lebanese population is Christian.
Exactly. This is why it really is a tragedy for the Lebonese, they do not (in general or in majority I should say) support the actions of Hezbollah.Actually about 40% of the Lebanese population is Christian.
Hezbollah at its very core is a business. The key people in Hezbollah profit very greatly from running the organization. They profit from controling an area, having access to certain middle east underworld connections and trading in illicit goods/services and weapons. This small group w/in sanctions all sorts of "business" transactions w/ tertiary intelligence groups from all of the western nations as well as with those "well-connected" groups that profit from the black market.
This core controls a large number of members who may be characterized as extremists, fanatical, terroristic and motivated by extreme fundamentalist views. These are the minions, the 99% who do the dirty work for Hezbollah motivated or inflamed by the "preachings" from higher up (from their Establishment).
The core or Establishment that controls Hezbollah does not desire peace nor do they desire a situation that results in complete destruction of their profitable organization. The core will profit financially from this current situation and they will have plenty of "inflamed" fundamentalist joiners to come serve as cannon fodder.
I have had many discussions over the years w/ very, very high placed people in both the intelligence services and their associated tertiary groups. I have witnessed a great many things first-hand as well. Nothing is as it seems on the surface.
No, its very smart. Unfortunately, it keeps the citizens from escaping, but they're (apparently) looking to destroy hezbollah and that is what it takes considering airports and transportation routes are where hezbollah, et al are getting their supplies. they're trying to choke off the enemy.i know many people who are trying to escape from Gaza, and Lebanon but they cant because Isreal bombed all the airports, and transportation routs in that area, Hamas and Hizballah are doing some idiotic action. But the action of Isreal seems to get dummer by time.
oswizzle, you've got no brain. there is no point arguing with you. you haven't read a damn thing that anybody has posted and actually understood it.
that explains your positions well. it speaks volumes in fact.
This is like saying guns kill people, not people.I have many thoughts on this issue, but one thing that stands out is the fact that religion leads to intollerance, irrational logic, and fanaticism. I like what Maynard said about if you don't like the country get the hell out, but maybe it should be applied to Israel or Lebanon. Many of say diplomacy does not work, but the sad thing is war and killing will not work...it will only intensify the feeling toward each other.
Robert Baer a retired CIA case officer in the Directorate of Operations from 1976 to 1997, where he served in Middle Eastern countries, including Iraq and Lebanon in an interview for PBS (frontline: terror and tehran: interviews: robert baer | PBS) had this to say about the structure of Hezbollah:The secondary and tertiary interests of these groups is interesting..I never put much thought into it really.
Never the Jews' to begin with?"illegal occupation" by the Jews is all of Palestine that they call Israel...the whole piece of land was never the Jews to begin with...
No..you didn't read my post correctly. Reread it...if it still doesn't make sense, I"ll try to explain myself more clearly.Kwyck, ur right . What I meant is that the beliefs behind the religion that people feel the need to cling to is what continues to drive the problems. I also think its rediculous for us as a country to sit back and say we support or do not support the actions of those two countries when we have no idea what those people believe. There are not many of us that have been raised under those circumstances that have been developed for 100's of years.
No not really....those Lebanese were responsible for bringing this terrorist group into power...
Have you been smoking that wacky weed?Lebanon's just a bunch of mountains. Egypt and Jordan has nothing but desert. Israel's the only cushy place with a great view of the Mediterranean Sea (plus they can actually grow their own food and get some walleye/bass while they're at it). Certainly, isn't food a cause worth fighting for?
Well, Hezbollah is also a political party that has been elected to seats in their parliament, and the Lebanese government has refused to disarm their armed wing, so they are at least partly responsible.No not really.
You mean besides the devastating impact that a loss of oil supply would have on our economy?In terms of protecting our way of life that you mention, I'm not really sure I see the connection between us and what is going on in the Middle East.
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