Strongest Pills On The Market? Thoughts?

[gibsonj4]

I think they changed the ingredient to the 19nor, estr 4 dienelone precursor....think it went from what? 3mg? 2mg? to 30...with the same nomenclature on the bottle? I think thats pretty sneaky....heard the owner was in jail too for said product.

Yikes. i did get good results from it. i cant gain weight at all and I gained 10lbs in 4 weeks off it as a standalone. Formula was 17b-methoxy-trenbolone while extreme tren was 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene-3,17 dione. Kinda scares me now that he is jail lol.

 

[searl12]

trenadrol says 17b-methoxy-trienbolone on it

When typed into chemdraw it says cannot generate structure. The formula is fictitious.

ya, pretty sure my hunch and others hunches is right on, they have kept the same label...and used the 19nor chemical...which obviously works....its funny though how they think crazy researchers and board members wouldnt put 2+2 together.

real good way to get a bad rep on these boards, and then go out of business.

is it just me..or does it make more sense to simply offer quality products for quality competitive prices and actually GET A GOOD REP, STICK AROUND FOR A WHILE and make more $ in the long run by actually putting whats on the label in the said product?

I dont know maybe the supp industry isnt for me, i might actually give people what they ask for and waht they pay for....might not get rich enough that way....

LOL just remembered there OTC PCT product named Clomed....probably fooled so many poor noobs into thinking they were getting a real serm.....then when they get gyno and lose everything they gained they come on here and say "I got gyno and lost my gains" ...'But i had clomed on hand?"

 

[UnrealMachine]

It should. That's what CEL is doing, sticking around and supporting their supps with quality clones, reps, a full product line etc.

The supplement industry is built upon fly by night companies that exist for a short while, move as much product as they can, and then vanish though.

There's so many OTC products with ****ed up names Searl. I've been looking through PH stores and I see supplements just called straight up Anavar and stuff. Thermolife sells T-Bol. Yes there's clomed, and novedex that everyone thinks is nolvadex. This isn't even scratching the surface. A lot of the industry is built on bull**** and misconceptions. Look at Fizogen. LOL.

 

[searl12]

Yikes. i did get good results from it. i cant gain weight at all and I gained 10lbs in 4 weeks off it as a standalone. Formula was 17b-methoxy-trenbolone while extreme tren was 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene-3,17 dione. Kinda scares me now that he is jail lol.

ya man, obviously I dont have concrete proff, but it went from 2-3mg of the 17-methoxy, all of a sudden to 30mg? for the same price? no way it adds up, and I beieve the estra raws are pretty easy to obtain right now so to me it all makes perfect sens, id love some more concrete proof though.

Me...I love C.E.L I actually get waht i pay for, have never felt ripped off, and damn there prices are unreal....people who actually might be around for a while with quality products...not to mention they just keep adding things to their lineup, i believe a furazadrol(sp?) clone is in the works as well, for those who are into it, never used it myslef.

God I think I spend too much time on this site, Im just overflowing with frckn information, lol.

 

[searl12]

I might even go as far as to say i only trust cel.

for all this pimping they should sponsor me!:bling:

Imagine an unlinited supply...omfg....you be dead in a few years but it might be worth it, lol...I kidd.

 

[marzanaut]

CEL kicks ass. There's a topical Tren out, by Primordial. It's gotten great reviews and can be used with a low dose of test. I'd go with 250mg of test and read the bottles directions on what to use. If you're gyno prone, use a low dose (.5) of arimidex through the cycle. follow up with a strong PCT.

 

[samva777]

THATS A BIT OF A STRETCH

ya, pretty sure my hunch and others hunches is right on, they have kept the same label...and used the 19nor chemical...which obviously works....its funny though how they think crazy researchers and board members wouldnt put 2+2 together.

real good way to get a bad rep on these boards, and then go out of business.

is it just me..or does it make more sense to simply offer quality products for quality competitive prices and actually GET A GOOD REP, STICK AROUND FOR A WHILE and make more $ in the long run by actually putting whats on the label in the said product?

I dont know maybe the supp industry isnt for me, i might actually give people what they ask for and waht they pay for....might not get rich enough that way....

LOL just remembered there OTC PCT product named Clomed....probably fooled so many poor noobs into thinking they were getting a real serm.....then when they get gyno and lose everything they gained they come on here and say "I got gyno and lost my gains" ...'But i had clomed on hand?"

I think your not giving respect in general because your assessment of people in general is low. This can be caused by an inferiority complex that the said person is trying to hide I.E. I am smart everyone else are morons. I must point out you are coming off this way and I am not involved in this conversation maybe reassessment is warranted. Other than that I do have fun reading these comments anyway we should be here to help are freinds putting someone down never helps. Lastly you made the comment as if it was Gospel and it could have been construed many different ways , I personaly thought he just said people thought he was on AAS I dont see how this can be construed that he personaly didnt know what he was on.

 

[searl12]

I think your not giving respect in general because your assessment of people in general is low. This can be caused by an inferiority complex that the said person is trying to hide I.E. I am smart everyone else are morons. I must point out you are coming off this way and I am not involved in this conversation maybe reassessment is warranted. Other than that I do have fun reading these comments anyway we should be here to help are freinds putting someone down never helps. Lastly you made the comment as if it was Gospel and it could have been construed many different ways , I personaly thought he just said people thought he was on AAS I dont see how this can be construed that he personaly didnt know what he was on.

hey, whoever you are, I apologized to they guy in pm, so other than that whats your problem with the above post?

Maybe you live in a fairytale land, the way you speak tells me you do, Im into reality, the reality is companies alot of the time rip people off, Im all for helping people, and anyone whos into this stuff probably feels the same way, they dont want to get ripped off, and there tired fo shady business. what bothers you about that?

Anyways, this all irrelevant because like I said I apologized, the other comments about shady business practices, and ME trusting a reputable company are spot on,

Enjoy your night.....dont get gyno with using Kilo sports pct thinking its something else....cause I warned you.

 

[searl12]

and another thing, me stating they arent using whats on the label makes total sense....2mg to 30mg with np $ increase....maybe in lala land but not the real world.

I didnt create this world, and yes I do have a low opinion of SOME people, but I do no think Im better than the average person....we all bleed the same...Im entitled to my opinion as you are entitled to yours.

You should come walk down skid row where I live, have people pull knives on you for not giving them change, have your girlfriend fear for her safety....I wont become a victim so I have the attitude I have, and this attitude is the same attitude that made me exact revenge on the junky who pulled a knife on me, No way in hell i would let that go unpunished! you..maybe! I wont let people walk on me....no matter what it costs me, ill die on the offensive not in a fariytale.

 

[marzanaut]

He did apologize to set the record straight and I appreciated it. He did have a valid point; I've seen countless posts where people are in the middle of a cycle and dont have a PCT in line. Others like to take things that they have no clue as to what it is, and realize later, that there nuts are shrunk. People in general, are stupid.
And by the way, I married one of those people who would stab you for incorrect change. She's not a junkie, but she is Sicilian.
She's really a great girl too.

and another thing, me stating they arent using whats on the label makes total sense....2mg to 30mg with np $ increase....maybe in lala land but not the real world.

I didnt create this world, and yes I do have a low opinion of SOME people, but I do no think Im better than the average person....we all bleed the same...Im entitled to my opinion as you are entitled to yours.

You should come walk down skid row where I live, have people pull knives on you for not giving them change, have your girlfriend fear for her safety....I wont become a victim so I have the attitude I have, and this attitude is the same attitude that made me exact revenge on the junky who pulled a knife on me, No way in hell i would let that go unpunished! you..maybe! I wont let people walk on me....no matter what it costs me, ill die on the offensive not in a fariytale.

 

[samva777]

DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP RELYING ON HUNCHES

ya, pretty sure my hunch and others hunches is right on, they have kept the same label...and used the 19nor chemical...which obviously works....its funny though how they think crazy researchers and board members wouldnt put 2+2 together.

real good way to get a bad rep on these boards, and then go out of business.

is it just me..or does it make more sense to simply offer quality products for quality competitive prices and actually GET A GOOD REP, STICK AROUND FOR A WHILE and make more $ in the long run by actually putting whats on the label in the said product?

I dont know maybe the supp industry isnt for me, i might actually give people what they ask for and waht they pay for....might not get rich enough that way....

LOL just remembered there OTC PCT product named Clomed....probably fooled so many poor noobs into thinking they were getting a real serm.....then when they get gyno and lose everything they gained they come on here and say "I got gyno and lost my gains" ...'But i had clomed on hand?"

Your taking the easy way out its obvious to most people that have followed this mini saga that something is amiss on the Trendrol label going from 3 to 30 and yes I can see how you would deduce that its the 19 nor product now because of the label change to 30mg but if you dont stop your hunches there and start really delving deeper , you will find the 30MG was just put on the label to get people like you to think exactly what you are thinking.
Go check out Patrick Arnolds comments I dont think I am allowed to say which site but just google him. I think you will find its a totally different compound so powerful it can be dosed in micrograms and go undetected by conventional means. Also read the side effects and the final value effects of people that have logged it it is definetly different from 19 nor I personaly think its METRIBOLONE and dosed at 175 micrograms taken like the directions on the bottle say 3 times a day you would get a very effective dose of Metribolone at .525 mgs a day. This is still just a hunch but with more evidence backing up the hunch.

2 things are for sure it has been tested and its NOT the 19 NOR you thought it was. 2nd the chemical name on the label has been analyzed by chemist and its nomenclature is impossable in chemistry so its not that.

Lastly if you were a company and you had a cheap and very effective muscle builder but you could not patent it because it was produced in the middle 60s but never released for human use and could be dosed in such a small amount that conventional methods of detection would not see it you would relise you have a bonanza because every tom **** and harry company cant clone it because they dont know what it is.
Thats my hunch

 

[searl12]

Your taking the easy way out its obvious to most people that have followed this mini saga that something is amiss on the Trendrol label going from 3 to 30 and yes I can see how you would deduce that its the 19 nor product now because of the label change to 30mg but if you dont stop your hunches there and start really delving deeper , you will find the 30MG was just put on the label to get people like you to think exactly what you are thinking.
Go check out Patrick Arnolds comments I dont think I am allowed to say which site but just google him. I think you will find its a totally different compound so powerful it can be dosed in micrograms and go undetected by conventional means. Also read the side effects and the final value effects of people that have logged it it is definetly different from 19 nor I personaly think its METRIBOLONE and dosed at 175 micrograms taken like the directions on the bottle say 3 times a day you would get a very effective dose of Metribolone at .525 mgs a day. This is still just a hunch but with more evidence backing up the hunch.

2 things are for sure it has been tested and its NOT the 19 NOR you thought it was. 2nd the chemical name on the label has been analyzed by chemist and its nomenclature is impossable in chemistry so its not that.

Lastly if you were a company and you had a cheap and very effective muscle builder but you could not patent it because it was produced in the middle 60s but never released for human use and could be dosed in such a small amount that conventional methods of detection would not see it you would relise you have a bonanza because every tom **** and harry company cant clone it because they dont know what it is.
Thats my hunch

ok im taking the easy way out am I? ive seen a few people who say it was tested and came back as the 19 nor product.... I dont even really care anymore to be honest...

The fckn owner was or is in jail so id rather not use any of this crap....its all crap, even the other designers (funny name for cheap crap powder) superdrol is toxic as hell, sure it works but fck, phera isnt much better and will be gone soon and the rest can go somewhhere where I cant see them.

Im glad that you chimed in as you do raise some valid poitns.

by the way...Patrick Arnold is extremely intelligent...hes also one of the sleeziest fckn dudes in the entire industry.

 

[samva777]

Ok Bro

ok im taking the easy way out am I? ive seen a few people who say it was tested and came back as the 19 nor product.... I dont even really care anymore to be honest...

The fckn owner was or is in jail so id rather not use any of this crap....its all crap, even the other designers (funny name for cheap crap powder) superdrol is toxic as hell, sure it works but fck, phera isnt much better and will be gone soon and the rest can go somewhhere where I cant see them.

Im glad that you chimed in as you do raise some valid poitns.

by the way...Patrick Arnold is extremely intelligent...hes also one of the sleeziest fckn dudes in the entire industry.

Calm down Bro you must be on a cycle its not good for the BP.

 

[searl12]

Calm down Bro you must be on a cycle its not good for the BP.

Actually dude...unlike most im done with all these stupid useless designers and prohormones.

Funniest name ever...Designer steroid....something that costs pennies to make sold for $25 and called a designer.

I MIGHT run phera if its around in a bit, other than that there all either too weak or too toxic (superdrol).

 

[P4D2A022]

Actually dude...unlike most im done with all these stupid useless designers and prohormones.

Funniest name ever...Designer steroid....something that costs pennies to make sold for $25 and called a designer.

I MIGHT run phera if its around in a bit, other than that there all either too weak or too toxic (superdrol).

phera will prob be around for a while... who knows though. wasnt it supposed to be banned like a year ago?

 

[searl12]

phera will prob be around for a while... who knows though. wasnt it supposed to be banned like a year ago?

ya phera, the dienelone precursors (tren extreme,etc) and bold/eq-jet....my guess since ATD was just banned ,there will be more to come this year.

My .02

 

[matthias7]

you married, have a regular girlfriend, have kids? makes a difference as i'd never recommend transdermals to someone who does

I'm not a PH user but you just time application carefully - always well away from any contact. E.g. shower and then apply absolutely last thing at night, or very early in the morning then shower evenings and if you are applying to arms limit to inside of upper arms only - if at all.

As long as you are constantly aware that a TD can get transferred I don't see the issue. Then again I'm not using PH so if something went wrong there's no problem. TD is a powerful method of delivary.

 

[marzanaut]

as far TDs go, I might use tren-1 by Primordial as a front runner to my test cycle. Its nonmethylated and easy on the sides, and also at the end to finish off.

 

[UnrealMachine]

1-T Tren is nonmethyl but being transdermal is even better, there will be like 0 impact on your liver, pretty cool product.

I can't say that tren is easy on the sides though. I usually feel that I am not very susceptible to sides (currently stacking Superdrol and Pheraplex and feeling very awesome no sides yet).

However my 4 weeks of Tren at 90/90/120/120 did me in harder than anything else i've tried. The results were good, sick strength and vascularity. But i was on test propionate and lost my libido pretty thororoughly. I got night sweats. I had trouble sleeping (and I never have trouble sleeping). It gave me prolactin gyno pretty fast that i'm still working on.

I loved the stuff when I was on it, and the sides weren't that bad... really what I say only happened for about 10 days, pretty much during week 4 of Tren and the few days after I stopped it. But I have run a lot of orals, and the combination of gyno, lost libido and night sweats is enough to give tren the title of worst sides of any PH i've tried.

 

[TravisG]

SD SD SD SD SD SD SD...and superdrol