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jt75 said:
Damn, already bought a bottle to run after 12 weeks of Vector. Hopefully someone can chime in with definitive proof, where are the hard rock reps?
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No that does not make the product unsafe. I was simply trying to educate those who were misinformed.

Use for 6-8 weeks on, and then take a decent break. I have 3 different T2 supplements in my stash and after doing all the research, it is safe, when used for short periods of time. It is still suppressive to the TSH yes, but that can recover rather quickly after you come off. I'd say rock it out. Off the top of my head though the T2 dose in true shred is so low anyways it doesn't matter. I've had most success dosing T2 600mcg-1000mcg a day
 
GoDeacs said:
Nothing that affects you’re estrogen or thyroid is safe. They will sale you anything
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ive used many estrogen blockers and thyroid hormones SAFELY and EFFECTIVELY so idk what youre talking about my dude

even air and water can be dangerous if used by idiots incorrectly lol
 
IronTitan41 said:
lol not at all. i used it without any issues whatsoever. didnt have any hunger rebounds or anything when coming off
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Your hunger didn't increase while using it?
At least that's what I read about in a study, for the 12% increase in metabolic activity, the subject's hunger increased, *but the dose they were using was far in excess of 300mcg.

Here's another interesting read, and helps put another question mark in place, as it is noted, the HED is not easily obtained.

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justhere4comm said:
Your hunger didn't increase while using it?
At least that's what I read about in a study.

Here's another interesting read, and helps put another question mark in place, as it is noted, the HED is not easily obtained.

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nope... my appetite was pretty consistent.

thyroid hormones (or any hormone in general) are not going to effect 2 people exactly the same way.

just like prohormones or AAS, the effects and results are based on how well you respond to them on a genetic level.
 
"T3 administration suppressed TSH by 88% compared to control (i.e, the level in hypothyroid rats); it thus reached a value not significantly different from that seen in the euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2 produced a similar effect, suppressing the TSH level by about 75% compared to control; it thus reached values not significantly different from those of the euthyroid and T3-treated rats. By contrast, 3,3'-T2 had no effect on TSH, whatever the dose."



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That's just one quick google search. There is a plethora of studies out there proving T2 is in fact suppressive, as long as its 3,5 and not 3,3
 
ZachH said:
No that does not make the product unsafe. I was simply trying to educate those who were misinformed.

Use for 6-8 weeks on, and then take a decent break. I have 3 different T2 supplements in my stash and after doing all the research, it is safe, when used for short periods of time. It is still suppressive to the TSH yes, but that can recover rather quickly after you come off. I'd say rock it out. Off the top of my head though the T2 dose in true shred is so low anyways it doesn't matter. I've had most success dosing T2 600mcg-1000mcg a day
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true shred has 300 mcg per its daily dose so i wouldnt say its "low"

the suggested dose for t2 is usually between 50 to 300 mcg according to studies posted on NCBI

not sure where you are finding your research my dude but I would probably be a little more careful with your words since your pretty much scaring these guys and then coming back and suggesting taking doses that are double than what is suggested that is likely not safe for the average user
 
IronTitan41 said:
true shred has 300 mcg per its daily dose so i wouldnt say its "low"

the suggested dose for t2 is usually between 50 to 300 mcg according to studies posted on NCBI

not sure where you are finding your research my dude but I would probably be a little more careful with your words since your pretty much scaring these guys and then coming back and suggesting taking doses that are double than what is suggested that is likely not safe for the average user
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EVERYONE IGNORE THIS GUYS POSTS

Do your own research everybody. This guy is taking the words I'm saying personal because they are contradicting what he was saying.

300mcg is a low dose. Chaos and Pain Cannibal Claw, go read that label. 680mcg-1020mcg daily dose depending on your body weight. And vicious labs necrosis is 600mcg a day for every weight class. The owners of these companies must have based their dosing off the same wikipedia articles I have been reading

(Not really wikipedia, being sarcastic because there are many studies and informative articles out there you can find if you look)
 
There's no real Human Equivalency Dose of (t2).If someone suddenly finds it, let me know. That said, I'm going to say 300mcg is very low compared to the tests rats are put through.

Additionally, the long-term effects are unknown as well, and the scientists, (Guys with degrees and lab coats, the whole shebang) say.

I've posted one study, and an article citing studies, and I don't understand the personal connection to the supplement, as this discussion has been focused on only one of the ingredients. I've looked at True Shred, and have not an interest in weighing in either way over the entire supplement.

Discussions are good for sharing information. I'd love to have found some kind of study where human studies where done, but that's not the case. Even anecdotal evidence would be nice over a group and time period.
 
GoDeacs said:
Nothing that affects you’re estrogen or thyroid is safe. They will sale you anything
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Really depends on how you define safe. Is it safe for us to be taking pre workouts that have 300mg+ of caffeine?

You will be hard pressed to find any medical professional that will say that is okay.

Us fitness fanatics are anything but normal. I don't know what safe is.
 
musclemaker said:
Enjoying the discussion guys, but let's not get too heated here.

Keep the good information coming, we all win.
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Indeed. With the doses in true shred and decent breaks after a 4-8 week run you guys should be gtg.
 
Joepower said:
Really depends on how you define safe. Is it safe for us to be taking pre workouts that have 300mg+ of caffeine?

You will be hard pressed to find any medical professional that will say that is okay.

Us fitness fanatics are anything but normal. I don't what safe is.
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. Everything has risk involved. All about cost/benefit and trade-offs.
 
ZachH said:
EVERYONE IGNORE THIS GUYS POSTS

Do your own research everybody. This guy is taking the words I'm saying personal because they are contradicting what he was saying.

300mcg is a low dose. Chaos and Pain Cannibal Claw, go read that label. 680mcg-1020mcg daily dose depending on your body weight. And vicious labs necrosis is 600mcg a day for every weight class. The owners of these companies must have based their dosing off the same wikipedia articles I have been reading

(Not really wikipedia, being sarcastic because there are many studies and informative articles out there you can find if you look)
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luuuuuulz sounds legit! i mean.... especially when its comin from a guy who was basically scaring everybody away from it and then came back to tell everyone to take DOUBLE the suggested doses :dunno:

ya dont listen to me guys; I'm only trying to look out for you lol
 
I used it for 6 weeks No Problem !! Well I lost weight is that a problem?
 
I am currently wrapping up 6 weeks of taking ThyroTwin at two capsules per day..

Each capsule has:

3,5 Diiodo-L-Thyronine 175 mcg
3,3 Diiodo-L-Thyronine 25 mcg

Obviously more than what is in True Shred. I have not noticed any benefits (or sides) and I literally can’t even tell that I have been taking it from day one. I will never buy it again, but it would not deter me from buying a supplement if it was part of the formula anyway.

From my personal experience, it is quite benign...
 
Rocket3015 said:
I used it for 6 weeks No Problem !! Well I lost weight is that a problem?
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Have you ever taken 75mg per day of arimistane solo? If so, how would you compare that experience to True Shred?

I have taken everything in True Shred at one time or another and to me, arimistane is the ingredient that would by far make the most impact...
 
Ricky10 said:
Have you ever taken 75mg per day of arimistane solo? If so, how would you compare that experience to True Shred?

I have taken everything in True Shred at one time or another and to me, arimistane is the ingredient that would by far make the most impact...
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Have you ran 7-keto solo?
 
IronTitan41 said:
luuuuuulz sounds legit! i mean.... especially when its comin from a guy who was basically scaring everybody away from it and then came back to tell everyone to take DOUBLE the suggested doses :dunno:

ya dont listen to me guys; I'm only trying to look out for you lol
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Guys, please kill this personal dialogue or do it over DM, not here please.
 
Joepower said:
Have you ran 7-keto solo?
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Yessir...with enhanced oral bioavailability and without at 200mg day. Nothing noted except possibly more mental energy/uplift. People usually say you have to dose it in the 400-600mg day range to really enjoy the weight loss benefits etc..(despite what the studies say)

I have never dosed it that high or used any of the transdermal products which also may have some merit..
 
Ricky10 said:
Yessir...with enhanced oral bioavailability and without at 200mg day. Nothing noted except possibly more mental energy/uplift. People usually say you have to dose it in the 400-600mg day range to really enjoy the weight loss benefits etc..(despite what the studies say)

I have never dosed it that high or used any of the transdermal products which also may have some merit..
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Appreciate your input. I am also not one to test ingredients out individually, I am a bit more of a convenience person, if it has a bunch of good stuff in it I am sure something is gonna hit lol.

I have used Arimistane solo as well as True Shred, with regards to the effects Arimistane produces I felt them to be more pronounced on True Shred, at least overall I got much tighter.
 
Joepower said:
Appreciate your input. I am also not one to test ingredients out individually, I am a bit more of a convenience person, if it has a bunch of good stuff in it I am sure something is gonna hit lol.

I have used Arimistane solo as well as True Shred, with regards to the effects Arimistane produces I felt them to be more pronounced on True Shred, at least overall I got much tighter.
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Cool....I was hoping there would be some synergy and I have been considering buying some (I need to get my tendonitis resolved first though). Joints better on this as opposed to 75mg Arimistane?
 
Ricky10 said:
Cool....I was hoping there would be some synergy and I have been considering buying some (I need to get my tendonitis resolved first though). Joints better on this as opposed to 75mg Arimistane?
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I personally have only experienced joint pain when hitting 100mg of Arimistane. So I guess I would have to say neutral.
 
Ricky10 said:
Yessir...with enhanced oral bioavailability and without at 200mg day. Nothing noted except possibly more mental energy/uplift. People usually say you have to dose it in the 400-600mg day range to really enjoy the weight loss benefits etc..(despite what the studies say)

I have never dosed it that high or used any of the transdermal products which also may have some merit..
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Have you used transdermal laxo?

Trying to decide between OL massacre and iconic iconogenin.
 
GrowthFiend said:
Have you used transdermal laxo?

Trying to decide between OL massacre and iconic iconogenin.
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I have used the transdermal Laxo OL used to have, as well as the one from BPS. The effects were negligible...joints seemed to feel better, maybe an increase in vascularity. Kind of forgettable like most of my Laxo experiences....nothing against OL or BPS specifically.

I actually have a bottle of MASSACR3 on hand, but I have not used it yet..

I have even used Colostrum in the past at a fairly hefty dose. I must say I did not notice anything with that either. I just took it for the immune system benefits..
 
The increase in vascularity from True Shred is nuts!!
 
Ricky10 said:
Well that's what I wanted to hear..haha! That sounds nice! I can't be drying things out too much quite yet with my elbow tendonitis. When the time comes, it will be hard for me to decide between True Shred and R-Andro Shred.
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Can’t go wrong with either :) just decide hormonal or non-hormonal and you’re set.
 
Joepower said:
Yea, I think I might need to hop back on it soon to tighten up for summer time!
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For sure! I'm thinking the same thing for me! I may start it up here soon:)
 
GoDeacs said:
Still no definitive answers on the safety of true shred
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Not exactly sure what kind of answer you are looking for brother. Many supplements are going to do things a medical professional would not approve of.

I think it was Zach that said it, just run it for 4-8 weeks and then off.

Is it unsafe in my opinion?

No.

I ran it before and I will be running it again very soon.
 
musclemaker said:
I know we had a lot of guys asking about it...

THE WAIT IS OVER..........SUPER MANDRO IS BACK!
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Got the email about this this morning, nice to see this is back. How long is the sale for?

My buddy will want some and I need to order some stuff, wanted to do one order together but I don't think ill be able to do it until next week.
 
leroyjenkinss said:
Got the email about this this morning, nice to see this is back. How long is the sale for?

My buddy will want some and I need to order some stuff, wanted to do one order together but I don't think ill be able to do it until next week.
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Back for $90
 
leroyjenkinss said:
Got the email about this this morning, nice to see this is back. How long is the sale for?

My buddy will want some and I need to order some stuff, wanted to do one order together but I don't think ill be able to do it until next week.
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The sale will go until Wednesday 11:59pm, so you have some time.
 
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