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Stim crackdown alert

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BeardedBreast

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Came up in my alerts
 
Weren't these always kind of gray-area stims anyways? Doesn't really change much.

*Waits for day they ban caffeine as a supplement*
 
examples include deterenol found in i-force dexaprine which i think i-force dc'ed years ago and best of all GREEN TEA EXTRACT, lol....
 
I think that all of these besides Higenamine were already issues anyway.

Then Higenamine and Hordenine were added to an FDA advisory list in the past; but that list didn't necessarily make them illegal, it was just an advisory list. But it led Amazon to not allow them to be sold on there and for most companies to stop selling them.

Any company claiming DMAA to be legal have just been lying to themselves bc there are plenty of people that are already in jail or that have paid fines over that.
 
thebigt said:
examples include deterenol found in i-force dexaprine which i think i-force dc'ed years ago and best of all GREEN TEA EXTRACT, lol....
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Dexaprine holy chit. When I took that it brought me back to the days of Labrada Charge and Hydroxycut with Ephedra.

Jitter jazzed complete nonsense mode. lol.
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
Dexaprine holy chit. When I took that it brought me back to the days of Labrada Charge and Hydroxycut with Ephedra.

Jitter jazzed complete nonsense mode. lol.
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lol...i remember vaughn true warning everyone not to take more than 1 dexaprine 👹
 
sns8778 said:
Any company claiming DMAA to be legal have just been lying to themselves bc there are plenty of people that are already in jail or that have paid fines over that.
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They're posting DMAA supplements as "research - not for human consumption" as it says on the label for Dark Energy.

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Oxilofrine is Adafranil.
Octodrine is DMHA.

β-Methylphenethylamine (β-Me-PEA, BMPEA, or 1-amino-2-phenylpropane) is an organic compound of the phenethylamine class, and a positional isomer of the drug amphetamine, with which it shares some properties. In particular, both amphetamine and β-methylphenethylamine are human TAAR1 agonists.[1] In appearance, it is a colorless or yellowish liquid.
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I didn't realize BMPEA was an amphetamine like drug.

So, let's make a list of supplements with these compounds in them and buy them before they get banned.
 
RIPDanDuchaine said:
I only found one mainstream article covering it. So, we might be in the clear.

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An article criticizing the FDA for not going after them is definitely not being in the clear.
 
RIPDanDuchaine said:
They're posting DMAA supplements as "research - not for human consumption" as it says on the label for Dark Energy.

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There have been multiple convictions of people and companies selling it as a dietary supplement.
There have been multiple conviction of people and companies selling it as a research chemical.

If it was as simple as putting the word research chemical on the bottles, USP Labs would have done that originally.
Or Hi-Tech would have done that rather than spending millions of dollars fighting the government over it.

There are always going to be people and companies that think it won't happen to them until it does. The part that affects everyone else is that it reflects badly on the industry as a whole and gets them looking at more stuff or more broader reaching regulations.
 
sns8778 said:
There have been multiple convictions of people and companies selling it as a dietary supplement.
There have been multiple conviction of people and companies selling it as a research chemical.

If it was as simple as putting the word research chemical on the bottles, USP Labs would have done that originally.
Or Hi-Tech would have done that rather than spending millions of dollars fighting the government over it.

There are always going to be people and companies that think it won't happen to them until it does. The part that affects everyone else is that it reflects badly on the industry as a whole and gets them looking at more stuff or more broader reaching regulations.
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Yeah, I can understand from an industry standpoint it makes the entire supplement industry look bad. But, OTOH, I want my illegal stimz!!!

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Oxilofrine
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Yeah you're right, it's methylsynephrine. For some reason when I googled it the first time, adafranil came up.
 
RIPDanDuchaine said:
Yeah, I can understand from an industry standpoint it makes the entire supplement industry look bad. But, OTOH, I want my illegal stimz!!!
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I understand. I just fear that companies are going to keep pushing it until you can't get hardly any stims at all.
 
RIPDanDuchaine said:
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Shame they didn't test Excelsior. I've never heard of 90% of these products.
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Most of them on there are more well-known mainstream wise than Excelsior. I think that's why Excelsior intentionally tries to keep a low profile.

It's interesting to me that it seems the main reason for them testing it was for the Isopropylnorsynephrine. A lot of companies use that and have tried to make the argument that it was legal.
 
sns8778 said:
Most of them on there are more well-known mainstream wise than Excelsior. I think that's why Excelsior intentionally tries to keep a low profile.

It's interesting to me that it seems the main reason for them testing it was for the Isopropylnorsynephrine. A lot of companies use that and have tried to make the argument that it was legal.
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Aren't most of these companies owned by HiTech?
 
Here's each of the products in the list.

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Stachio said:
Aren't most of these companies owned by HiTech?
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If I'm not mistaken, Hi-Tech either either owns or has investments in a couple of them.
For a couple of them, I'm not sure if Hi-Tech has any ownership in them or just does manufacturing for them.
 
FDA wants to ban stims but the state of Oregon decriminalized all drugs last November. Makes a whole lot of sense.
 
RIPDanDuchaine said:
Can't believe nobody liked my list. It took me a good 45 minutes to hunt down those products and put them in order. :cry:
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You did a good job finding the list; I hadn't seen it yet I don't think.

There's something on the list very interesting about one particular company but I don't want to be the one to point it out. But hint to anyone - look closely at the what was tested versus what wasn't in the detected column :ROFLMAO:
 
sns8778 said:
You did a good job finding the list; I hadn't seen it yet I don't think.

There's something on the list very interesting about one particular company but I don't want to be the one to point it out. But hint to anyone - look closely at the what was tested versus what wasn't in the detected column :ROFLMAO:
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Well, both the ALR supplements are discontinued, so I can't guess those, and the only other 2 products with 3 other ingredients are 10 Seconds to Launch and Thermo Shock. So I give us. PM me or give us a hint, Let's do charades to try and figure it out.
 
RIPDanDuchaine said:
Well, both the ALR supplements are discontinued, so I can't guess those, and the only other 2 products with 3 other ingredients are 10 Seconds to Launch and Thermo Shock. So I give us. PM me or give us a hint, Let's do charades to try and figure it out.
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Sorry, I don't speak badly about anyone so I'm not going to comment on it further. I just found it interesting.
 
RIPDanDuchaine said:
Cmoooonnn... give us a clue. Or at least tell us what you meant by it's "very interesting".
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My hint was in my first post. I said:

But hint to anyone - look closely at the what was tested versus what wasn't in the detected column. - meaning that what was tested for should be in the detected column if it was actually in the product.

I have a policy that I don't talk negatively about companies so I'm not going to say anything else about it.
 
sammpedd88 said:
FDA wants to ban stims but the state of Oregon decriminalized all drugs last November. Makes a whole lot of sense.
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i remember back in high school all the fat girls got prescription black beauties, once a month those fat girls were very popular, lol.
 
Strangely enough, urbandictionary had a great definition for them.

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sns8778 said:
My hint was in my first post. I said:

But hint to anyone - look closely at the what was tested versus what wasn't in the detected column. - meaning that what was tested for should be in the detected column if it was actually in the product.

I have a policy that I don't talk negatively about companies so I'm not going to say anything else about it.
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I saw one that looked up as “vonedrine” in the article. Anyone know what that is?
 
Already banned ingredients. I'm sure there are some shady places where you can still obtain 1,3 DMAA just like you can still find some places that sell ECA and all sorts of other stuff.
 
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I saw one that looked up as “vonedrine” in the article. Anyone know what that is?
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Appears to be a nasal decongestant, like most of these are.

Vonedrine (phenylpropylmethylamine). Clinical study of a new nasal decongestant, Looks like an old one from the 30s or 40s.

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Bigmac2013 said:
Already banned ingredients. I'm sure there are some shady places where you can still obtain 1,3 DMAA just like you can still find some places that sell ECA and all sorts of other stuff.
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The only one I found surprising on there at all was Higenamine, because it and hordenine were added to the advisory list, but its on the same list as Laxogenin, for example. And that wasn't presented as a ban list.

Agreed on what you're saying about the DMAA. Something about that that surprises me is that its likes people don't stop to think that they really have no idea what they're getting - its not like companies quality test their illegal ingredients lol.
 
sns8778 said:
The only one I found surprising on there at all was Higenamine, because it and hordenine were added to the advisory list, but its on the same list as Laxogenin, for example. And that wasn't presented as a ban list.

Agreed on what you're saying about the DMAA. Something about that that surprises me is that its likes people don't stop to think that they really have no idea what they're getting - its not like companies quality test their illegal ingredients lol.
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Why is Laxogenin on the ban list? I thought that was just a hoaky ingredient that didn't do anything?
 
sns8778 said:
The only one I found surprising on there at all was Higenamine, because it and hordenine were added to the advisory list, but its on the same list as Laxogenin, for example. And that wasn't presented as a ban list.

Agreed on what you're saying about the DMAA. Something about that that surprises me is that its likes people don't stop to think that they really have no idea what they're getting - its not like companies quality test their illegal ingredients lol.
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before it got banned guys kept saying that the dmaa wasn't as good as it had been before.
 
RIPDanDuchaine said:
Why is Laxogenin on the ban list? I thought that was just a hoaky ingredient that didn't do anything?
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You quoted my post saying that wasn't presented as a ban list but as an advisory list to ask me why its on the ban list? I'm just pointing that out because I never said it was on any ban list. I said it was on the same list as Higenamine, which was an advisory list and not specifically a ban list. That is why I was surprised that Higenamine was listed on the test results.

As to the reason it's on there - most likely because most of it is a synthetic ingredient and some companies say on their supplement facts that its derived from an herb when most of it isn't.

And I wouldn't call it hokey. There is a lot of raw material discrepancies on it and its also an example of an ingredient that seems to work well for some people but not others.
 
sns8778 said:
You quoted my post saying that wasn't presented as a ban list but as an advisory list to ask me why its on the ban list? I'm just pointing that out because I never said it was on any ban list. I said it was on the same list as Higenamine, which was an advisory list and not specifically a ban list. That is why I was surprised that Higenamine was listed on the test results.
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My mistake.

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As to the reason it's on there - most likely because most of it is a synthetic ingredient and some companies say on their supplement facts that its derived from an herb when most of it isn't.

And I wouldn't call it hokey. There is a lot of raw material discrepancies on it and its also an example of an ingredient that seems to work well for some people but not others.
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I see. Very interesting.
 
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