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ingo_1978

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Week 1-10 400mg Deca each EW split
Week 1-10 500mg Test Enan EW split
Week 1-4 50mg Halodrol ED
Week 5-12 75mg Orastan-E (prostanozol) ED
Week 13-14 Clomid (150-50)
Week 13-16 Nolva (40\30\20\10)
Week 13-16 Rebound 50mg ED
week 13-16 Activate 400mg ED

What do you think? Not sure whether to not bother with the Rebound and Activate and get some HCG instead?
 
I think the deca should be taken to week 11 and test to week 12, instead of 10weeks of both. As far as I know with prostan, is you need to dose much higher. I was reading in another thread where it was mentioned taking 250mgs to get the desired effects. Prostan was very underdosed.

If you get HCG, use it on cycle, not during pct since it will keep you supressed.

THe nolva and clomid look good. The activate is also a nice addition. If you use both nolva and clomid I dont think there is any need to use rebound as well.
 
I'd take a break between orals.. I'm not familiar with these new pro-steroids, as I'm an AAS snob.. probably to a fault... but I'd prefer to run Test E and Deca longer than that, and cut out Deca a week before the Test E as it takes about that much longer to clear from the system. Other than that, it looks ok to me.
 
What snake & ubiq said, plus...

I'd start with something more androgenic and not methylated. MAX LMG would be good. Finish off with something not very androgenic and methylated.

The "CRASH" at the end of a gear cycle is probably caused by the sudden shift from a highly androgenic state to the opposite. The CNS doesn't like that at all. You do yourself a favor by ending with something like Halo or SD because it gives your CNS a gentler shift to the less androgenic state. The cycle is important, but what if you can barely crawl out of bed come PCT? That's no good man. Of course you know yourself better than I do.

Also, methyls make your liver produce enzymes that metabolize steroids, like crazy. By starting with a methyl, you encourage your liver to make large quantities of these enzymes, that will NOT neutralize the methylated hormone, but will certainly attack your precious Deca and Test. Doing the methyl at the end makes things better that way IMO.
 
Thanks for the replys

I'm using the H-50 at the beginning to kick start the cycle as a replacement for Dbol as I've read oral turinabol is good to kick start but without the bloat.

The orastan-e is mainly to keep to bloat under control as it's basically un-methylated winny which is good for that. With it being un-methylated I didn't see a need to have a break inbetween the orals.

If I take the test enan to 11 weeks do I still start PCT on week 13 or do I start on 14 instead?
 
Grunt76 Also said:
This is kind of a contradiction in my eyes bro. Many people start there cycles with Dbol, this is a 17aa alkylated steroid correct? Many people have jumpstarted there cycles with Superdrol. Also the test and deca dont kick in for a good 5 weeks, and at the end is when its most likely to have the worst effect because the steroids are in your system and people run much longer cycles then 10 or 11 weeks. Also what about Anadrol? Thats methyl isnt it?

Im not dissagreing per say, i just find it a little bit of a contradiction because many people upon many of people have jumpstarted there cycles with methyls and have had no problem whatsoever.

On another note ur theory does make sense, just goin by what i see is all bro!
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Yeah I see that too. Maybe the injectables take longer to kick in when a cycle is jump-started with a methyl? That would be difficult to prove, wouldn't it? But it would make sense, we agree on that. I also know for a fact that elevated liver enzymes from methyls do persist for a good while.

And the idea of a methyl at the end is because, well, you're ENDING the cycle aren't you? If the Test & Deca, for example, are still in force on week 2 of PCT, what kind of PCT is that? The methyl will help clear the steroids from the bloodstream. This isn't so good for your gains, I agree, but it's good for your balls and PCT. OTOH you do have the methyl that's working for you during that time, preserving gains.

I believe the idea of androgenic at the beginning and not androgenic at the end has been sufficiently discussed and established. Is this wrong?
 
Anymore input on this before I start... Have some ergomax now which I could use 10/20/20/30 instead of the halodrol?
 
Well, have finalised my cycle (see attachment). will be starting 3rd Jan. May keep a basic log if I have time in the cycle log section.
 
I'd do some frontloading with the Test & Deca, put the Orastan at the beginning and the halo at the end. OT is often used at the end of a cycle, and Halo is a lot like OT...

Well that's just my take on it. As I've said before you know yourself better than anyone else and only you know if you are prone to post-androgen crash...

Oh, and some hcg would be nice.
 
Want to get the cycle kick started with the halodrol and then use the orastan to harden up at the end, plus January is a good time to do a methyl as I won't be drinking. Am considering HCG but didn't really want to spend anymore on it.
 
Ok gonna get three 5000iu amps of HCG and take the first one a week after my last injection, the second 5 days later and then 2500iu 5 days after that.

Also have obtained some very cheap cyclo 1-T powder (20g). Do you think I could use it somewhere on this cycle?
 
It's legal to possess but is only available by perscription, but it is completely legal to buy it overseas. More like antibiotics, etc.
 
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