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Starting hCG monotherapy

Great information in this thread. I think I'll join in. I just started HCG therapy (first SQ injection was yesterday) and am sure I'll have some of the same questions that have already been answered in here.

LeanGuy has offered me some advice in my blood test thread, but it will probably be easier just to join yours. So... cheers.

Welcome to the HCG mono club... when are you running your next labs?

I'm running mine in a couple weeks, to see if E2 has come down... I feel like it has. I am doing a trial of 250iu EOD and 1mg adex/week. I preferred the E3D schedule, but I wanted to do a little experiment here.
 
hi sorry for hi jacking the thread but i have a question about hcg since i'm supposed to start it.
i have a 10,000iu vial of hcg. i mixed in 10ml's of the water that came with it, threw away the rest of the water, and stored the mix in the fridge. i was given 1.0cc insulin syringes (goes from 0 to 100) to inject the hcg with. i'm supposed to inject 250 iu's of hcg at a time. how much would i put in the syringe? i've never done this before
 
Unscarred11. I am about 1 day more experienced than you are, but from what I can tell:

10,000IU mixed with 10 mL of diluent is going to mean 1000 IU = 1 cc/mL in the syringe.

Just do the math. 10,000 divided by 10 = 1,000. So for each 1 mL there's 1,000 IUs.

Thus you need to be shooting .25cc each time. (use insulin pins SubQ IMO at first... IM (intra-muscular) is a little more "advanced")

To avoid confusion remember that the term CC and mL are interchangeable. (1CC=1mL)

There are a ton of youtube videos which will show you how to shoot subcutaneously (just search for subcutaneous injection)

There are even videos on how to mix the diluent, which helped me out greatly my first time (yesterday).

The shot didn't hurt at all... in fact I didn't feel a thing.
 
Unscarred11. I am about 1 day more experienced than you are, but from what I can tell:

10,000IU mixed with 10 mL of diluent is going to mean 1 IU = 1 CC/mL in the syringe.

Thus you need to be shooting .25cc each time. (use insulin pins SubQ IMO at first... IM (intra-muscular) is a little more "advanced")

To avoid confusion remember that the term CC and mL are interchangeable. (1CC=1mL)

There are a ton of youtube videos which will show you how to shoot subcutaneously (just search for subcutaneous injection)

There are even videos on how to mix the diluent, which helped me out greatly my first time (yesterday).

The shot didn't hurt at all... in fact I didn't feel a thing.

So 1/4 of the syringe? that's what I had thought but I had just wanted to make sure so I didn't go over. Thanks a lot!

Also for those who use it, how long does it generally last before it goes bad? the pharmacist told me it has a shelf life of a month but i did the calculations and the drug is going to last me a lot longer than that....i'd hate to be tossing a lot of it away.
 
So 1/4 of the syringe? that's what I had thought but I had just wanted to make sure so I didn't go over. Thanks a lot!

Also for those who use it, how long does it generally last before it goes bad? the pharmacist told me it has a shelf life of a month but i did the calculations and the drug is going to last me a lot longer than that....i'd hate to be tossing a lot of it away.

I'm looking at the same situation. I have heard that you can store it for 6 weeks or so, but the general rule of thumb is 4... My 5,000 IU vial is going to last me 10 weeks... 6 of which the stuff wont be good anymore. :/

Next time around I will be buying 2,000 IU. I'm only using 500 IU a week at the moment.
 
hey leanguy hows it going. i also started hcg mono. 200 iu EOD. Novarel brand. No adex. Ive been on hcg mono for 2 weeks now. i do notice a slight improvement in libido and erections. I hope to see more results. You did say it takes 2-3 weeks to see any results right. i will do blood work in 2-3 weeks.
 
I'm looking at the same situation. I have heard that you can store it for 6 weeks or so, but the general rule of thumb is 4... My 5,000 IU vial is going to last me 10 weeks... 6 of which the stuff wont be good anymore. :/

Next time around I will be buying 2,000 IU. I'm only using 500 IU a week at the moment.

Depending on your history, you should feel results in a few days. If you have been on testosterone therapy it will take longer. You're on an extremely low dose, but it's the right approach in my opinion if you have no prior history with TRT. I think it's better to start small and work your way to the sweet spot.

After 6 weeks, I dispose of any remaining HCG. For me, it loses its potency, and the cost of replacing it is relatively inexpensive. Make sure you buy from a reputable compounding pharmacy in the US, or a brand like Novarel.
 
I also use Novarel mixed it's 10,000 IU's in a 10 ml. vial so to do a 250 IU's shot it is .25 cc or .25 mls. I feel a feeling of well being after doing my shot but I do them IM. It's only good 30 days after mixing and I find it gets weaker by 3 weeks so for the last weeks I up my dose 100 IU's.
 
I have a question about the delicacy of the HGC protein. When reconstituting it, I inserted the first 3 mL (total of 5 for my 5,000 IU vial) and the vial was vacuum sealed... much to my dismay, the plunger sucks down by its self due to the vacuum in the vial and the bacteriostatic water is shot like a water cannon at the HCG. It took less than half a second for the entire 3 mL to empty in to the vial pointed straight down at the center. The stuff bubbled up and foamed and looked as if I'd put the stuff in a paint mixer...

Now I'm no compounding pharmacist, but I'm pretty sure this stuff is delicate. I think that in doing that I have pretty much destroyed the HCG... (everywhere I read says NO shaking! handle carefully! etc...)

All I can find is broscience sites saying DON'T SHAKE... I think I'll call a local compounding pharmacy tomorrow and ask to be sure. If I have to buy more I'd like to know now.
 
Don't worry about it. Your HCG is fine. It's not as delicate as GH.

I have a question about the delicacy of the HGC protein. When reconstituting it, I inserted the first 3 mL (total of 5 for my 5,000 IU vial) and the vial was vacuum sealed... much to my dismay, the plunger sucks down by its self due to the vacuum in the vial and the bacteriostatic water is shot like a water cannon at the HCG. It took less than half a second for the entire 3 mL to empty in to the vial pointed straight down at the center. The stuff bubbled up and foamed and looked as if I'd put the stuff in a paint mixer...

Now I'm no compounding pharmacist, but I'm pretty sure this stuff is delicate. I think that in doing that I have pretty much destroyed the HCG... (everywhere I read says NO shaking! handle carefully! etc...)

All I can find is broscience sites saying DON'T SHAKE... I think I'll call a local compounding pharmacy tomorrow and ask to be sure. If I have to buy more I'd like to know now.
 
Week 3 of HCG monotherapy and I feel like I am on a test cycle, with my libido I hope my body can keep up once I go off. Relatively low dose at 500iu per week taken in 2 shots.

I am glad to be off Androgel.
 
I hope my body can keep up once I go off. Relatively low dose at 500iu per week taken in 2 shots.

I am glad to be off Androgel.

When you go off? I don't think people realize but HRT isn't a 30 day solution... or a 6 month solution... its for life.

Do you have a reason you'll be going off the therapy?

What were your LH / FSH / TT / BioAvailble T / SHBG levels before during and currently, if you don't mind my asking?

I'd like to see how you're responding to T vs Androgel vs natural.
 
at what range of E2 does gyno normally appear? I'm about to start HCG on-top of my TRT. My E2 levels were naturally in the single digits.
 
If he responds well to HCG alone there is absolutely no reason to use any kind of testosterone.

When you go off? I don't think people realize but HRT isn't a 30 day solution... or a 6 month solution... its for life.

Do you have a reason you'll be going off the therapy?

What were your LH / FSH / TT / BioAvailble T / SHBG levels before during and currently, if you don't mind my asking?

I'd like to see how you're responding to T vs Androgel vs natural.
 
It's worth a try to see if you reset to levels you can live with I tried the same. If it doesn't happen for you, at least you know you respond well to HCG.

Week 3 of HCG monotherapy and I feel like I am on a test cycle, with my libido I hope my body can keep up once I go off. Relatively low dose at 500iu per week taken in 2 shots.

I am glad to be off Androgel.
 
Whoa, I think I am responding too well to hCG now... going to need to reduce the dose! I am not feeling this high TT level because E2 is still high. Also SHBG dropped. This is 600iu + .25 adex E3D:

10/06/09 Testosterone, Total 1486 ng/dL [241-827] H
10/06/09 Estradiol, Sensitive 58 pg/mL [3-70]
10/06/09 Testosterone, Free (calc) 50 ng/dL 3.36%
10/06/09 Testosterone, BAT (calc) 1145 ng/dL 77.1%
10/06/09 SHBG 19 nmol/L [13-71]
10/06/09 Albumin 4.2 g/dL [3.5-5.5]

LeanGuy: When did you see your signs of gyno? How are you feeling these days? Annnnd finally what is your dosage like NOW (after you saw these numbers I saw that you were dropping your dosage)

If he responds well to HCG alone there is absolutely no reason to use any kind of testosterone.

I misread his post. I thought he was saying he planned on stopping therapy altogether. I must have just honed in on "with my libido I hope my body can keep up once I go off."

I thought he was saying he was planning on going off HRT altogether.
 
LeanGuy: When did you see your signs of gyno? How are you feeling these days? Annnnd finally what is your dosage like NOW (after you saw these numbers I saw that you were dropping your dosage)

My gyno was a little painful bump on one nipple... not a big deal but I need to stay away from progesterone. Seems like HCG has been creeping my progesterone up again... its almost over-range. HCG stimulates pregnenolone which can convert to prog.

I am trying 250iu EOD right now, even though I prefer an E3D dose for convenience. I can tell E2 has gone down. But I am feeling ok... I still don't sleep well so how can libido be good. Its functional so I'm not complaining... I just wish I could sleep.
 
When you go off? I don't think people realize but HRT isn't a 30 day solution... or a 6 month solution... its for life.

Do you have a reason you'll be going off the therapy?

What were your LH / FSH / TT / BioAvailble T / SHBG levels before during and currently, if you don't mind my asking?

I'd like to see how you're responding to T vs Androgel vs natural.

Shut myself down hard about 3 years ago on cycle of Tren Enan that I ran by itself with Bromo (bad idea not to include test as a base). I went to my normal Family Doctor who just ran a blood test to check my test levels when my body would not fully recover and I was at 232. He would not test me for anything else. Gave me a script for Androgel, had me go on my way and never told me to come back to take blood tests or prescribe an anti-estrogen. At the time I am thinking to myself, cool free testosterone and if I take more if it I will be above my normal test levels for a 30 year old man.

Fast forward one and half years later. I moved away, found a new family doc and went in complaining about sleep issues, depression, aches, and no libido whatsoever. Another blood test was ran, I was at a 282 test level this time on 10 grams of androgel. Had Cortisol levels, Estrodiol levels, and some other things pulled. All were fine. He then instructed me to go to a Urologist.

Instead I did some research and found an Anti-Aging doc who is also a DO, covered under my insurance. He did a thorough examination with me, checked my testicles and told me I was not shut down at all, if they were it would be hard and like raisins. I came clean on my test use and he promised not to put it in my health file. He ran every blood test possible on me. The doc feels that at my age (33 years old now) that I am too young to be on HRT and that my family doc was an idiot for putting me on it.

He then put me on 500iu's of HCG per week for the next 3 mo with A-dex. Blood tests every 3 weeks. I want to have kids this year, so I am trying to avoid testosterone.

I don't think I was shut down permanenetly from Tren and I was put on HRT instead of fixing the original problem.

After 3 months the Doc will try weaning me off of HCG in hope that my body will start producing the test on it's own. I get my blood tests back tomorrow with Free test, ect.. so I will post on here when I get it.
 
Shut myself down hard about 3 years ago on cycle of Tren Enan that I ran by itself with Bromo (bad idea not to include test as a base). I went to my normal Family Doctor who just ran a blood test to check my test levels when my body would not fully recover and I was at 232. He would not test me for anything else. Gave me a script for Androgel, had me go on my way and never told me to come back to take blood tests or prescribe an anti-estrogen. At the time I am thinking to myself, cool free testosterone and if I take more if it I will be above my normal test levels for a 30 year old man.

Fast forward one and half years later. I moved away, found a new family doc and went in complaining about sleep issues, depression, aches, and no libido whatsoever. Another blood test was ran, I was at a 282 test level this time on 10 grams of androgel. Had Cortisol levels, Estrodiol levels, and some other things pulled. All were fine. He then instructed me to go to a Urologist.

Instead I did some research and found an Anti-Aging doc who is also a DO, covered under my insurance. He did a thorough examination with me, checked my testicles and told me I was not shut down at all, if they were it would be hard and like raisins. I came clean on my test use and he promised not to put it in my health file. He ran every blood test possible on me. The doc feels that at my age (33 years old now) that I am too young to be on HRT and that my family doc was an idiot for putting me on it.

He then put me on 500iu's of HCG per week for the next 3 mo with A-dex. Blood tests every 3 weeks. I want to have kids this year, so I am trying to avoid testosterone.

I don't think I was shut down permanenetly from Tren and I was put on HRT instead of fixing the original problem.

After 3 months the Doc will try weaning me off of HCG in hope that my body will start producing the test on it's own. I get my blood tests back tomorrow with Free test, ect.. so I will post on here when I get it.

you need to be on clomid. You never ran a proper PCT. HCG is suppressive to LH. If you were truly shutdown, clomid is worth a try.

Run clomid 25mg for a few months. Then get another blood test. If numbers still come back low then maybe your low T is naturally low.

You CANNOT tell if someone is shutdown down soley by feeling their nuts. The doc should have ordered LH and FSH. These are the pituitary hormones.

If your LH is low try clomid before HCG.

HCG will increase your T, but you will become dependant on it as your pituitary will stop making LH in response to HCG...then you are back to square one.

I dont believe in HCG monotherapy....it requires too much HCG with too much aromatase, and too much increase of other hormones it seems. TRT+minimal HCG to maintain testicular function seems most reasonable. I'd assume you won't be any less fertile on TRT+HCG than HCG alone....if you are on TRT+HCG and your FSH is too low to produce sperm then you'll need HMG.
 
I hope this works for you but I need to tell you in all the 27 yrs I have been on TRT I have come across many men that tested low were put on TRT and there Dr. Never checked to see why they were low. Then after feeling like your feeling they get sent to see an Endo or Uro these Dr.'s like to take men off TRT for what they call a base line test. I know I had this happen to me 7 x's and each time all the found out was how sick they made me. Of all the men that tried to do what your trying not one every went back to normal and today are still on TRT. Once you start on TRT it's for life you can't get started again to normal levels.

This is why I tell men don't go on TRT until you find out why your low. Doing so you can't find out because adding Testosterone to your blood even a little will shut your LH and FSH down did your Dr. test this to see if you had any. My Testis never went down to the size of hard or small raisins they were the size of small grapes. Men on TRT doing any kind of T are shut down. I added HCG to my T shots and my levels doubled so this is how I fond out I am Secondary my testis work my brain will not tell them to work.
 
you need to be on clomid. You never ran a proper PCT. HCG is suppressive to LH. If you were truly shutdown, clomid is worth a try.

Run clomid 25mg for a few months. Then get another blood test. If numbers still come back low then maybe your low T is naturally low.

You CANNOT tell if someone is shutdown down soley by feeling their nuts. The doc should have ordered LH and FSH. These are the pituitary hormones.

If your LH is low try clomid before HCG.

HCG will increase your T, but you will become dependant on it as your pituitary will stop making LH in response to HCG...then you are back to square one.

I dont believe in HCG monotherapy....it requires too much HCG with too much aromatase, and too much increase of other hormones it seems. TRT+minimal HCG to maintain testicular function seems most reasonable. I'd assume you won't be any less fertile on TRT+HCG than HCG alone....if you are on TRT+HCG and your FSH is too low to produce sperm then you'll need HMG.

I stopped Androgel one month prior to going to the Doc on the last visit, and ran Clomid for almost a month. Worked great for 3 days then crashed again.

If this does not work then he is more than happy to give me Inj test and HCG. He even asked me if I tried growth and if I liked it. Told him at my age it was a waste of $$$.
So far HCG is doing well for me, we'/ll see how my blood test come out.
 
I hope this works for you but I need to tell you in all the 27 yrs I have been on TRT I have come across many men that tested low were put on TRT and there Dr. Never checked to see why they were low. Then after feeling like your feeling they get sent to see an Endo or Uro these Dr.'s like to take men off TRT for what they call a base line test. I know I had this happen to me 7 x's and each time all the found out was how sick they made me. Of all the men that tried to do what your trying not one every went back to normal and today are still on TRT. Once you start on TRT it's for life you can't get started again to normal levels.

This is why I tell men don't go on TRT until you find out why your low. Doing so you can't find out because adding Testosterone to your blood even a little will shut your LH and FSH down did your Dr. test this to see if you had any. My Testis never went down to the size of hard or small raisins they were the size of small grapes. Men on TRT doing any kind of T are shut down. I added HCG to my T shots and my levels doubled so this is how I fond out I am Secondary my testis work my brain will not tell them to work.

Your pretty much spot on with your first paragraph and not checking to see why my test levels were low. I am keeping my fingers crossed this works for me. I would think if HCG Mono is prescribed by Docs then it has worked for some people. I don't think the doc would agree to it if he thought it was a waste of time. Can't hurt trying as long as my estrogen levels are low.
 
I know a few men that are Seconday that do just HCG but every time they stop it the fall back to where they started. If you were doing steroids at one time and came off a cycle that did not work you still can get jump started again but you need to do this with a Dr. like Dr. John Invalid Link Removed he will work with your Dr. over the phone to try this.
 
great thready guys. So it seems that without health insurance, a rough program would be: 1) HCG + AI (arimidex or letrozole) first to restore leydig cell/testicle function, followed by
2) clomid w/ or w/out Novaldex after to ramp up LH

would that be a suitable program?

There is evidence that ALCAR, Zinc, selenium, NAC, ginger, omega 3 fats etc can also help, and perhaps products like Toco 8 as well.

In a new double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized study, selenium and N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) improved fertility in men.

The study included 468 infertile men who had poor sperm quality. The men (116 subjects) were randomized to receive 200 mcg selenium orally per day, 600 mg N-acetyl-cysteine orally per day (118 subjects), 200 mcg selenium plus 600 mg N-acetyl-cysteine orally daily (116 subjects) or a placebo (118 subjects). The subjects were given the supplements for 26 weeks, followed by a 30-week treatment-free period, and provided blood samples for the measurement of serum testosterone, estradiol, follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), luteinizing hormone, prolactin, inhibin B (a hormone that inhibits FSH production), selenium and N-acetyl-cysteine. FSH regulates the development, growth, pubertal maturation, and reproductive processes of the human body. In males FSH is critical in spermatogenesis. Luteinizing hormone (LH) also is essential for reproduction in males. LH acts upon the Leydig cells of the testis to trigger the production of testosterone, which in turns helps produce spermatogenesis.

In addition to measuring the above factors, researchers obtained semen samples from the subjects for routine semen analysis, and the measurement of seminal plasma selenium and N-acetyl-cysteine. In analyzing these samples, the scientists discovered that selenium and N-acetyl-cysteine appeared to balance the levels of serum follicle-stimulating hormone, serum testosterone and inhibin B. All semen parameters significantly improved with selenium and N-acetyl-cysteine treatment. Administering selenium plus N-acetyl-cysteine resulted in additive beneficial effects. A strong correlation was observed between the administration of combined selenium and N-acetyl-cysteine and mean sperm concentration, sperm motility and percent of the sperm that had normal structure and form.

According to the researchers, “These results indicate that supplemental selenium and N-acetyl-cysteine improve semen quality. We advocate their use for male infertility treatment.”

The effects of Ginger on spermatogenesis and sperm parameters of rat
Khaki, Arash; Fathiazad, Fatemeh; Nouri, Mohammad; Khaki, Amir Afshin; Ozanci, Chelar C; Ghafari-Novin, Marefat & Hamadeh, Mohammad
Abstract


Background: Ginger rhizome (Zingiber officinale R., family: Zingiberaceae) is used medicinally and as a culinary spice.
Objective: Medicinal use of ginger dates back to ancient China and India. Ginger and its constituents are stated to have antiemetic, antithrombotic, antihepatotoxic, anti-inflammatory, stimulant, cholagogue and antioxidant. It has been used since ancient time as medicinal and food origins it contain antioxidative and androgenic activities and have well effect in diseases treatment in more countries world-wide. As an antioxidant’s ginger has a useful effect on spermatogenesis and sperm parameters.
Materials and Methods: Wistar male rat (n=30) were allocated into three groups, control (n=10) and test groups (n=20), that subdivided into groups of 2 that received ginger rhizome powder (50 and 100mg/kg/day) for 20 consequence day. Animals were kept in standard conditions. In twentieth day the testes tissue of Rats in whole groups were removed and sperm was collected from epididymis and prepared for analysis. Results: Serum total testosterones significantly increased in experimental group that has received 100 mg/kg/day Ginger (p<0.05) in comparison to control group. Besides, the percentage of sperm viability and motility in both test groups significantly increased (p<0.05) in comparison to control group, Whereas, LH, FSH hormones, sperm concentration, morphology and testes weights in both experimental and control group were similar.
Conclusion: Results revealed that administration of 100 mg/kg/day of ginger significantly increased sperm percentage, viability, motility and serum total testosterones. This suggested that ginger may be promising in enhancing sperm healthy parameters.
 
Does HCG have any affect on DHT? My prostate seems to be flaring up again, another fun side effect I have.
 
No I have not seen this with HCG but Gels like Androgel or Testim will drive up DHT levels very high mine on them were 4x's above the top of the range. And this was driving my prostate nuts.
 
To drive up DHT fast some of us on gels at the time were putting what was left on the hands on the testis this drove up DHT big time.
 
Very little and all you need is enough to get them a little wet if you rub your hands together it will take the sting out of the gel before you put it on your testis.
 
I've had problems with elevated DHT while on HCG, and I'm not the only one. At higher doses I've gone over 110. Now I test at 78.

To drive up DHT fast some of us on gels at the time were putting what was left on the hands on the testis this drove up DHT big time.
 
Here is a good link about DHT going over the top of the range is not all that bad some men do there best over the top of the range. It's when you get 3 x's above it and it starts on your prostate that it can become a problem.
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Here is a good link about DHT going over the top of the range is not all that bad some men do there best over the top of the range. It's when you get 3 x's above it and it starts on your prostate that it can become a problem.
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As mandatory in our practice we are checking the 2/16 hydroxy ratio on all guys on TRT. For 70 bucks it is very worth while test to prevent and down stream of hormonal complications down the road. I have a prostate 2 times the normal size but my DHT and e2 has always been in check, but since low thyroid my prostate has gotten larger. I also found that I had altered 2/16 ratio which was horrible. One can have all zinc in the world in the system but if it does not get uptaken into the cell it is useless. By manipulation of several factors correcting these can bring ones levels back more into natural balance.
 
Switching from HCG E3D to EOD (250iu) has really helped keep E2 down... almost too much. T/E ratio is getting close to perfect now. I had good sexual function when these labs were run... it has since waned a little but I suspect E2 is too low... I'm going to reduce adex, which is a good thing. I am pretty happy with this!!

Testosterone, Total 904 ng/dL [241-827]
Estradiol, Sensitive 11 pg/mL [3-70]

DHT **pending**
 
Will you be able to wean off HCG one day and hold those levels? Is HCG something you will need to use foreveR?

I'd never be able to hold those levels naturally... my baseline was 400-500. I'll use hcg as long as it is effective, then add in t-shots as necessary... hopefully not for many years.
 
Here is what I tell men so they don't go to low on Arimidex.
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What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.
 
how long does it take for HCG to start showing noticable effects such as raised everything, E2 etc...

I just started 100ui ED.
 
If your doing just HCG at 100 IU's it can take about 4 weeks you can speed this up by doing a little more say 200 IU's everyday for the first week.
 
If you have low T levels and are told your Secondary yes HCG is a must or your body will not get the cells for LH and FSH working.

Most of the men I have talked to that lost there sex life they had high levels of Estradiol and getting this down they got there sex life back.
 
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