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What's the deal with epiandro. I see a lot of companies (or at least a few) who have epiandro products but don't make other Andros like 4 andro or 1 andro. Is there a reason for this. Is epiandro considered less suppressive? Or do more people have patents for it. I've always been tempted as I'm permanently on a libido quest but epiandro is suppressive right?
 
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Not sure the reason for the companies but seems it’s the cheaper of the 3. Regardless epiandro is suppressive. It’s a ph to dht. It works great and definitely boosts libido. I highly recommend. I have ran it in massive doses and side effects are very slim. In normal doses, a light pct is all that’s needed.
 
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What's the deal with epiandro. I see a lot of companies (or at least a few) who have epiandro products but don't make other Andros like 4 andro or 1 andro. Is there a reason for this. Is epiandro considered less suppressive? Or do more people have patents for it. I've always been tempted as I'm permanently on a libido quest but epiandro is suppressive right?
Also if you really want to save money, apex alchemy is having the final day of a bogo and they have a transdermal version. I have used TD epiandro in the past and love it. Apex alchemy
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Mildly suppressive with dose and duration determining the overall suppression.

1/4 are held under patent by Hi-Tech and there are royalties involved. No such patents on epi as far as I know.
 
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Mildly suppressive with dose and duration determining the overall suppression.

1/4 are held under patent by Hi-Tech and there are royalties involved. No such patents on epi as far as I know.
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Not sure the reason for the companies but seems it’s the cheaper of the 3. Regardless epiandro is suppressive. It’s a ph to dht. It works great and definitely boosts libido. I highly recommend. I have ran it in massive doses and side effects are very slim. In normal doses, a light pct is all that’s needed.
Out of curiosity what were your massive doses?
 
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I'm based in UK so was gonna go stano plex. Although there are a couple of transdermal options here.
 
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Out of curiosity what were your massive doses?
I got up to like 2grams or 2.4g a day. I don’t quite remember. I have a bunch of powder in a cyclodextrin matrix and added some capsules from I think Olympus labs. This was back in like 2016/17 if I recall.
 
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I got up to like 2grams or 2.4g a day. I don’t quite remember. I have a bunch of powder in a cyclodextrin matrix and added some capsules from I think Olympus labs. This was back in like 2016/17 if I recall.
Did you find 2g to be twice as good as 1g? Basically can you go into a little more detail regarding any point of diminishing returns? Thank you!
 
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Did you find 2g to be twice as good as 1g? Basically can you go into a little more detail regarding any point of diminishing returns? Thank you!
Not worth it after 1200mgs a day. Honestly probably wouldn’t go past 800mgs max anymore unless I wanted a real boost. Above 1200, headaches were very common and I got pretty bad heartburn. That being said, aggression wise it kept rising with the dose so not sure there is diminishing returns for that purpose. So my opinion 800 is sweet spot, and 1200 is if you want to go intense with it.
 
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Did you find 2g to be twice as good as 1g? Basically can you go into a little more detail regarding any point of diminishing returns? Thank you!
I ran 2g the last 2 weeks (of an 8 week cycle) and for me personally it was a point of diminishing returns.

Incidentally, I'm prone to MPB, and the only difference I noticed from 1g to 2g was a massive increase in shedding.
 
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Did you find 2g to be twice as good as 1g? Basically can you go into a little more detail regarding any point of diminishing returns? Thank you!
If I did it again and wanted to make the most of it I would do 600mg ed oral and get the rest from a TD
 
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Not worth it after 1200mgs a day. Honestly probably wouldn’t go past 800mgs max anymore unless I wanted a real boost. Above 1200, headaches were very common and I got pretty bad heartburn. That being said, aggression wise it kept rising with the dose so not sure there is diminishing returns for that purpose. So my opinion 800 is sweet spot, and 1200 is if you want to go intense with it.
I figured there was a point where one would overwhelm the available enzyme supply necessary for conversion. I know ZOO was pretty aggressive with his dosing of this compound as well.

I do like the idea of oral and topical combined. Going to be a good while before I go hormonal again and this is being strongly considered.
 
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I figured there was a point where one would overwhelm the available enzyme supply necessary for conversion. I know ZOO was pretty aggressive with his dosing of this compound as well.

I do like the idea of oral and topical combined. Going to be a good while before I go hormonal again and this is being strongly considered.
Combos of oral and TD is the best way when it comes to these andros. I’m hormonal for life now “TRT” but pushing the envelope isn’t worth it for me anymore. Those headaches were definitely my body saying this is too much and I value my heart muscle more than anything now.
 

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Combos of oral and TD is the best way when it comes to these andros. I’m hormonal for life now “TRT” but pushing the envelope isn’t worth it for me anymore. Those headaches were definitely my body saying this is too much and I value my heart muscle more than anything now.
What do you mean heart muscle? These are bad for your heart?
 
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What's the deal with epiandro. I see a lot of companies (or at least a few) who have epiandro products but don't make other Andros like 4 andro or 1 andro. Is there a reason for this. Is epiandro considered less suppressive? Or do more people have patents for it. I've always been tempted as I'm permanently on a libido quest but epiandro is suppressive right?
yeah price or being suppressive has nothing to do with it .. 1 and 4andro were bought by gaspai/hi tech ..so u would only see those at underground sites or topical for "research purposes"

ive ran cel stano plex ( epi andro ) couple of times .. would love to stack the 3andro some day ..or just epi andro + 1andro would yield nice gainz
 
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What do you mean heart muscle? These are bad for your heart?
Most of these Andros at certain doses easily cause High blood pressure. And to some extend effect the heart directly because androgens bind to the heart muscle
 
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What do you mean heart muscle? These are bad for your heart?
Once again DOSE and DURATION and of course the COMPOUND being used dictates almost everything. There is ABSOLUTELY zero evidence that epiandro is particularly bad for ones heart and if I had to make a list of compounds that are "bad" for you epiandro would be at the bottom with regular ole dhea and pregnenolone.

I will go on record: The preworkouts many people use are FAR WORSE when it comes to long-term cardiac health IMO.
 
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Once again DOSE and DURATION and of course the COMPOUND being used dictates almost everything. There is ABSOLUTELY zero evidence that epiandro is particularly bad for ones heart and if I had to make a list of compounds that are "bad" for you epiandro would be at the bottom with regular ole dhea and pregnenolone.

I will go on record: The preworkouts many people use are FAR WORSE when it comes to long-term cardiac health IMO.
Correct. I only spoke about my heart because at doses greater than 1200mgs my blood pressure was high and I got constant headaches. Keeping blood pressure that high for weeks is not advisable to anyone
 
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What's the deal with epiandro. I see a lot of companies (or at least a few) who have epiandro products but don't make other Andros like 4 andro or 1 andro. Is there a reason for this. Is epiandro considered less suppressive? Or do more people have patents for it. I've always been tempted as I'm permanently on a libido quest but epiandro is suppressive right?
There are two main reasons that more companies don't do 1 and 4 Andro products:
- Hi-Tech owns the patents for 1 and 4 Andro and most of the companies that you see that do 1 and 4 Andro products that are legit are either owned by Hi-Tech and/or license them from Hi-Tech and Hi-Tech does the manufacturing for them.
- Hi-Tech years ago had some issues with the FDA over them and that caused a lot of companies to be hesitant to offer them.

Epiandrosterone would be considered mild in terms of suppression - some say that it has no suppression, I think that it may have none in some people but its always best to be cautious and consider that it can have some mild suppression.

I think that for libido, Epiandrosterone is definitely the best option out of the group.

Stano-Plex 300 is a great product as it contains 300 mg. Epiandrosterone per capsule + 150 mg. VASO6.

Mildly suppressive with dose and duration determining the overall suppression.

1/4 are held under patent by Hi-Tech and there are royalties involved. No such patents on epi as far as I know.
Correct, there is little to no suppression with Epiandrosterone at normal dosages.

And correct again on Hi-Tech having a patent on the 1 and 4 Andro's; but there is more to licensing them than just royalties involved, which is why many companies don't even try to do them.

I'm based in UK so was gonna go stano plex. Although there are a couple of transdermal options here.
Stano-Plex 300 is a great option and I think you'll be very happy with it.

If you decided to go the td route, Xtreme Performance Gels EpiAndro Gel is a great value and is sold by several resellers in the UK. But personally, I would go with Stano-Plex.

What do you mean heart muscle? These are bad for your heart?
No, there is zero evidence that Epiandrosterone is detrimental to the heart at any reasonable dosages.

Once again DOSE and DURATION and of course the COMPOUND being used dictates almost everything. There is ABSOLUTELY zero evidence that epiandro is particularly bad for ones heart and if I had to make a list of compounds that are "bad" for you epiandro would be at the bottom with regular ole dhea and pregnenolone.

I will go on record: The preworkouts many people use are FAR WORSE when it comes to long-term cardiac health IMO.
Very good post and clarification and you're correct. There is zero evidence that Epiandrosterone at suggested dosages is bad for the heart muscle.

Context is everything, and the dosages being discussed in this thread are not dosages that any responsible company would ever suggest a customer using. For the average person, 600 mg. is a great dose and 900 mg. for advanced users.

To each their own in terms of what dosages that they choose to use personally, but I would personally never use above 900 mg. at the absolute max nor ever suggest anyone else doing so.
 
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