Stage 2 Hypertension on Cycle

[YoungThor]

I’m three weeks into rad, been feeling shitty and attributed that to high BP so I jumped off for two days and planned on quitting. But I realized I needed to know if my BP was truly high (had all the symptoms) so I bought a monitor and continued the regimen today. I only took 10mg and three hours later my BP readings were 148/93 and 151/102. Should I be alarmed? It’s a enough to make me uncomfortable. Would five more weeks of this potentially be damaging?

According to the chart I am on the lower end of stage two hypertension. All sarms seem to put me in that range and in the past I was stupid and roughed it out but now I’m wondering if it’d be much wiser to just hop off and avoid sarms. Thanks for any advice.

 

[TheMovement]

What was your BP before starting your cycle? Are you taking cycle support? Is this your first non natty experience?

 

[YoungThor]

What was your BP before starting your cycle? Are you taking cycle support? Is this your first non natty experience?

I’m taking fish oil, that’s it. I’ve ran two other sarms cycles and one transdermal testosterone cycle. The last time I had my BP checked before cycle it was somewhere around 130/80.

 

[YoungThor]

150/90 and 142/98 are the two readings I just got now. So it’s been pretty consistent for the last two hours.

 

[Whisky]

I’m taking fish oil, that’s it. I’ve ran two other sarms cycles and one transdermal testosterone cycle. The last time I had my BP checked before cycle it was somewhere around 130/80.

would absolutely be taking some supports for BP bro....

 

[YoungThor]

I’m looking at an article with several supplement options for this and I’ve heard just about all of them mentioned here. I need to narrow it down to the top two or three that I can pick up at a supplement store tomorrow so I can start tackling this.

 

[Cmseabee24]

I’m looking at an article with several supplement options for this and I’ve heard just about all of them mentioned here. I need to narrow it down to the top two or three that I can pick up at a supplement store tomorrow so I can start tackling this.

Buy some cialis and try running 5mg EOD helps big time with blood pressure.

 

[YoungThor]

Buy some cialis and try running 5mg EOD helps big time with blood pressure.

Taking something like that would be more of a last resort for me, and I won’t likely go to last resorts to finish a rad cycle. For a test cycle or something stronger, sure. I’m looking more for something I can pick up at a supp shop tomorrow.

 

[Whisky]

Taking something like that would be more of a last resort for me, and I won’t likely go to last resorts to finish a rad cycle. For a test cycle or something stronger, sure. I’m looking more for something I can pick up at a supp shop tomorrow.

Hawthorne Berry is decent.

don’t overlook cardio either - you run (or used to run) a bit don’t you?

 

[YoungThor]

Hawthorne Berry is decent.

don’t overlook cardio either - you run (or used to run) a bit don’t you?

I used to. Now I just walk in the treadmill with the incline all the way up (15%) at about 2.8 to 3.2mph. I’ll do that for anywhere from 10 to 40 minutes five or six days a week and that’s been my routine for a little over a month.

 

[Whisky]

I used to. Now I just walk in the treadmill with the incline all the way up (15%) at about 2.8 to 3.2mph. I’ll do that for anywhere from 10 to 40 minutes five or six days a week and that’s been my routine for a little over a month.

that’s decent, liss cardio is great for the heart (imo anyone running cycles should do some) and I’ve found it really helps me swerve any bp issues at all.

I would throw every natty supplement that’s been shown to help bp at it tbh. Wouldn’t want to go the full cycle with it that high. Not sure of the medical implications as I’m no doctor but personally I’d feel like it wasn’t great.

 

[YoungThor]

that’s decent, liss cardio is great for the heart (imo anyone running cycles should do some) and I’ve found it really helps me swerve any bp issues at all.

I would throw every natty supplement that’s been shown to help bp at it tbh. Wouldn’t want to go the full cycle with it that high. Not sure of the medical implications as I’m no doctor but personally I’d feel like it wasn’t great.

I’ll probably try a good four supps or so. I’m gonna start tonight by taking melatonin. I have that on hand and there is evidence it lowers blood pressure. I’ve had some moderate insomnia for three days in a row and that can raise blood pressure. So this should help.

 

[CroLifter]

Garlic cloves... i can barely stand on my feet if i have 2 for breakfast.

 

[YoungThor]

Garlic cloves... i can barely stand on my feet if i have 2 for breakfast.

You eat them raw?

 

[CroLifter]

You eat them raw?

Yes Sir!

 

[YoungThor]

Some of you guys maybe have heard me mention Kava on here before. I make it and drink it using the “traditional method.” It can be very relaxing and mildly intoxicating. I’m going to test and see if that lowers blood pressure.

 

[YoungThor]

Yes Sir!

I’m a hardcore guy, so I’ll try it! I was already thinking landing on using a few cloves when I cook some beef later. Maybe I’ll just eat cloves while I’m cooking haha.

 

[CroLifter]

I’m a hardcore guy, so I’ll try it! I was already thinking landing on using a few cloves when I cook some beef later. Maybe I’ll just eat cloves while I’m cooking haha.

I like it. It goes well with all kinds of food really. Supposedly it is good for lipids too.

 

[Whisky]

I like it. It goes well with all kinds of food really. Supposedly it is good for lipids too.

yep garlic is legit. Admittedly I take it as a supplement rather than the cloves but mainly for my immune system. Black garlic in particular

 

[Mathb33]

If rad is triggering your BP like this it’s either 1- not rad or 2- you already have BP issues or genetically predisposed to it and shouldn’t run anything.

 

[YoungThor]

If rad is triggering your BP like this it’s either 1- not rad or 2- you already have BP issues or genetically predisposed to no issues and shouldn’t run anything.

I think I am genetically predisposed based on my dad’s history of BP issues.

 

[YoungThor]

To my surprise, Kava actually increases blood pressure. The readings are a little scary. I’m just tossing this rad bull shyt and calling it a day on PED’s before I fukk myself up. Next PED I’ll use is doctor prescribed testosterone (if I ever need it).

I competed two sarms cycles and felt off on both of them and had to abandoned two other sarms cycles cause they were messing with my BP way too much. The only cycle I felt good on was a very moderate dose of test but high dose fukked up my mood. And I even had to deal with some side effects from that cycle like terrible acne on the back of my neck, hair growth in places you don’t want it, shrunken balls, and a tough pct. So this stuff just isn’t for me.

But at least I know longer have to wonder about whether I should try to enhance myself. I’ve tried and my BP just can’t cope with the drugs, or some other annoying side effects will become an issue.

I’m officially reinstated as a natty.

 

[Whisky]

To my surprise, Kava actually increases blood pressure. The readings are a little scary. I’m just tossing this rad bull shyt and calling it a day on PED’s before I fukk myself up. Next PED I’ll use is doctor prescribed testosterone (if I ever need it).

I competed two sarms cycles and felt off on both of them and had to abandoned two other sarms cycles cause they were messing with my BP way too much. The only cycle I felt good on was a very moderate dose of test but high dose fukked up my mood. And I even had to deal with some side effects from that cycle like terrible acne on the back of my neck, hair growth in places you don’t want it, shrunken balls, and a tough pct. So this stuff just isn’t for me.

But at least I know longer have to wonder about whether I should try to enhance myself. I’ve tried and my BP just can’t cope with the drugs, or some other annoying side effects will become an issue.

I’m officially reinstated as a natty.

sounds like the right decision brother. Life is too short anyway......

 

[YoungThor]

sounds like the right decision brother. Life is too short anyway......

I totally agree. There’s a lot more to life than aesthetics. But even so, there are countless examples throughout history of men who achieved great physiques without any drugs. Those men will be my inspiration.

 

[CroLifter]

I totally agree. There’s a lot more to life than aesthetics. But even so, there are countless examples throughout history of men who achieved great physiques without any drugs. Those men will be my inspiration.

Kudos to you. I am in the similar boat.

Even though i may still occasionally do a 6-8 weeker like once a year, say before a summer vacation, i wont be doing anything crazy anymore.

 

[YoungThor]

Kudos to you. I am in the similar boat.

Even though i may still occasionally do a 6-8 weeker like once a year, say before a summer vacation, i wont be doing anything crazy anymore.

That’s great. Some people eventually get to that point where they ask themselves, “what’s the point?” or “who am I doing this for?” It’s not easy to be contented with your physique in the social media and YouTube age, but if you could look in the mirror and truly see the man looking back at you, I’m sure you’d see a strong and handsome mother fukker. But that’s a symptom that everyone has in Western culture, this false idea that nothing is ever good enough, so the good things you have go unnoticed. Now here I am ranting cause I’m throwing away some sarms and steroids! But I feel good to have come to this conclusion. And I fully support anyone’s decision to use these drugs, or other drugs for that matter, but I have to be rational enough with my own self and realize when I’m doing more damage than good.

 

[mixedup]

From a person with previous high bpi would probably quit your numbers are pretty high

 

[YoungThor]

From a person with previous high bpi would probably quit your numbers are pretty high

That’s what I’m gonna do. I can’t wait for me BP to go back down. But based on previous experiences, I think it’ll be a couple days after I discontinue the drug for my BP to finally normalize. I have to wait for it to leave my system.

 

[TheMovement]

I think I am genetically predisposed based on my dad’s history of BP issues.

Man until you lower that BP i would definitely halt. I was actually thinking exactly this as cycle support can only do sooo much especially starting a cycle already with higher than average BP. Swimming has been my serious go to to help me with my BP and it lowers it on down each time. I am glad you saw and realized the risk wasn't worth the reward.

 

[Jinsun]

Anabolics are real drugs, so you get real sides. For me personally, I would treat high bp with beta blockers or cialis, etc. Not a deal breaker if those compounds would resolve the issue. Or, I would change the compound.

Otherwise, I'm kinda in the same boat regarding aas. Going to try peptides now for a pre summer cut. And imo, this is the most rational use for PED's, for us non competitors. Just use them to help loose bf and not loose muscle in the process.

 

[YoungThor]

I didn’t tell my gf about the current cycle I’m taking because I wanted to see if I could actually handle it first. I’m embarrassed by the amount of times I’ve started taking something, only to then complain of side effects and have to stop. So I figured I’d test it first and if I couldn’t handle rad then I’d let this experiment go unspoken of and just move on from my days of messing with PEDs.

Anyway, when I woke up this morning she told me she checked on my breathing twice last night and it was hard to tell if I was breathing while I slept. That’s insane to me but a great wake up call. I’ve only been up for 45 minutes or so and it’s been almost 24 hours since my last dose. BP was 124/94. So it’s going down.

 

[YoungThor]

Anabolics are real drugs, so you get real sides. For me personally, I would treat high bp with beta blockers or cialis, etc. Not a deal breaker if those compounds would resolve the issue. Or, I would change the compound.

Otherwise, I'm kinda in the same boat regarding aas. Going to try peptides now for a pre summer cut. And imo, this is the most rational use for PED's, for us non competitors. Just use them to help loose bf and not loose muscle in the process.

I’m sure that’s a safer alternative to what you’ve been doing. I’ve never come close to reaching the heights of use that you have, but in my book I’ve considered you relatively hardcore. But you’re also very knowledgeable and obviously intelligent. Even so, it’s not like you can avoid any and all damage from these drugs by being smart. You can alleviate side effects, but you can’t make them completely side effect free. So I’m sure peptides will give you a little edge while also giving your hpta time to recover, along with your organs.

Personally, I’m using intermittent fasting with lowered carbs to prepare for summer. I’m four days in and have lost 3.5 pounds already. The first week is always a little dramatic and then it slows down. My goal is 18-23 pounds. I want to be lean for once.

 

[mixedup]

I'm glad to see bp is coming down. Sides are real and even someone like me with over 20years experience had to tap on some cycles

 

[2manyprojects]

How old are you age also plays a roll

 

[YoungThor]

How old are you age also plays a roll View attachment 191989

I’m 27, so I’m still way above the max according to that chart.

 

[HooliganNoire]

I’m 27, so I’m still way above the max according to that chart.

Maybe try yourself sum raw Apple cider vinegar everyday, and throw in sum Carditone

 

[jim2509]

Sorry to hear you've had issues. Out of curiosity what brand of Rad 140 was it?

 

[YoungThor]

Sorry to hear you've had issues. Out of curiosity what brand of Rad 140 was it?

Thanks. But maybe it was a good wake up call before I go even further down this road and regret using PEDs for an even more serious issue.

The brand was Narrows Labs. I think it’s totally legit. I just don’t respond well to sarms when it comes to blood pressure. For the short time I was on, the pumps were the best of my life and the muscle endurance was amazing too. My mood was up, I felt calm, confident, and had an overall good sense of well-being, until the blood pressure sky rocketed of course.

 

[johnny412]

Anabolics are real drugs, so you get real sides. For me personally, I would treat high bp with beta blockers or cialis, etc. Not a deal breaker if those compounds would resolve the issue. Or, I would change the compound.

Otherwise, I'm kinda in the same boat regarding aas. Going to try peptides now for a pre summer cut. And imo, this is the most rational use for PED's, for us non competitors. Just use them to help loose bf and not loose muscle in the process.

what peptides you gonna use?

 

[jim2509]

Thanks. But maybe it was a good wake up call before I go even further down this road and regret using PEDs for an even more serious issue.

The brand was Narrows Labs. I think it’s totally legit. I just don’t respond well to sarms when it comes to blood pressure. For the short time I was on, the pumps were the best of my life and the muscle endurance was amazing too. My mood was up, I felt calm, confident, and had an overall good sense of well-being, until the blood pressure sky rocketed of course.

I think you summed it all up well really. Have never used Narrows but they have a solid rep so like you said, Sarm's just don't seem to agree with you. Am sure you'll find what's best for you in the long run.

 

[celc5]

I woke up this morning she told me she checked on my breathing twice last night

Sleep apnea raises BP.
So does anxiety.

 

[YoungThor]

Sleep apnea raises BP.
So does anxiety.

I do have anxiety but I’ve been going through a really calm period recently. But I did feel a little more anxious in rad, kinda overstimulated. I can’t have sleep apnea. Isn’t that typically an issue with fat people?

 

[Mathb33]

I do have anxiety but I’ve been going through a really calm period recently. But I did feel a little more anxious in rad, kinda overstimulated. I can’t have sleep apnea. Isn’t that typically an issue with fat people?

Fat people have a much higher chance to have sleep apnea just like they have a higher chance of dying from heart attack but it doesn’t mean it can’t happen to a healthy person. Anyone can have sleep apnea

 

[HooliganNoire]

I do have anxiety but I’ve been going through a really calm period recently. But I did feel a little more anxious in rad, kinda overstimulated. I can’t have sleep apnea. Isn’t that typically an issue with fat people?

when you're neck gets thicker usually from lifting it happens, Try yourself a tongue suppressor mouth piece, they work well

 

[YoungThor]

I’m pretty confident I’m just experiencing shallow breathing from hypertension. I can feel it gets a lot worse when I lay down. It’s been 72 hours since I stopped taking rad and my BP readings are still mostly on the upper end of stage 1 hypertension or on the lower end of stage 2. The first reading I took after I quit was a fluke. I assume everyone’s BP is slightly lower when they first wake up. I’m sure I’m going to see a big drop in the next two days or so.

 

[YoungThor]

when you're neck gets thicker usually from lifting it happens, Try yourself a tongue suppressor mouth piece, they work well

The neck thing makes sense. But I don’t have a mike Tyson neck or anything. Mines probably 17 inches or so. Last year I went through a phase where I was actually isolating the neck with neck curls. But that hasn’t been in my routine for a while.

 

[jim2509]

The neck thing makes sense. But I don’t have a mike Tyson neck or anything. Mines probably 17 inches or so. Last year I went through a phase where I was actually isolating the neck with neck curls. But that hasn’t been in my routine for a while.

I came off 10mg Lgd 4033, 10mg Rad 140 and 10 MK677 and on checking BP it was 116/72 and has remained stable. Bizarre that yours is so high. I took Cel Cycle support and Aged Garlic/Fish Oils but at nearly 45 I was expecting it to go quite high on Sarms...gains were good also.

Anxiety can really screw you up though.. have you done bloods for your test levels?

 

[HooliganNoire]

The neck thing makes sense. But I don’t have a mike Tyson neck or anything. Mines probably 17 inches or so. Last year I went through a phase where I was actually isolating the neck with neck curls. But that hasn’t been in my routine for a while.

 

[HooliganNoire]

Got me thinking of this lol

 

[YoungThor]

I came off 10mg Lgd 4033, 10mg Rad 140 and 10 MK677 and on checking BP it was 116/72 and has remained stable. Bizarre that yours is so high. I took Cel Cycle support and Aged Garlic/Fish Oils but at nearly 45 I was expecting it to go quite high on Sarms...gains were good also.

Anxiety can really screw you up though.. have you done bloods for your test levels?

I’ve been diagnosed with general anxiety disorder, panic disorder, and major depression. But that was years ago and as I age and mature, and my coping mechanisms develop, I become more and more stable. Going into this cycle I was feeling very good mentally. So if anxiety was a factor, I somehow wasn’t even conscious I was experiencing it. And I plan on getting my test checked in a couple months. I want to give my body plenty of time off before I get it checked.