Stacking Natural Test Booster with an OTC PCT

Take Test1fy as an example is an Ashwagandha based supplement marketed as a natural test booster. Whether it actually boosts test levels may not be proven, I would still argue that Ashwagandha is a beneficial supplement to take when weight training.
 
I am a owner in three gyms along with my partners who are three doctors. Besides my full-time job. So let's hear yours.
 
Don't get your feelings hurt because you're wrong. There's a lot of misinformation out there and that's how people get hurt.
 
njken said:
I am a owner in three gyms along with my partners who are three doctors. Besides my full-time job. So let's hear yours.
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Whats your full time job?
 
njken said:
Don't get your feelings hurt because you're wrong. There's a lot of misinformation out there and that's how people get hurt.
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Don't get your feelings hurt because you didn't know those studies existed. Its ok, it won't effect your 3 gyms or full time job..

:lol:
 
njken said:
That is a irrelevant to the Facts
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I didn't know owning a gym with a couple of doctors put you into the testosterone research field. Then again, you are in New Jersey. :lol:
 
People do studies all the time. Unless they are regulated those studies are not honored or approved in any medical journal. Private entities. Conduct studies to promote a product.
 
It's not hard to figure out what I do it's in my profile buddy don't think you are some inspector gadget. Or a dick Tracy.
 
GAINZFORDAYZ said:
Decided to stack Test1fy with Novedex-XT. I will be starting this in roughly 2-weeks and will keep everyone posted on my results.
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Perfect choice with the Test1fy! Surprised that you felt the need to buy an additional AI supplement as Test1fy already has Abieta-8,11,13-trien-18-oic acid, and it makes its presence known. I would be surprised if you were able to tolerate this combined with the new Novedex XT. Chances are you will end up having to run them separately.

I am certainly looking forward to trying the new Novedex XT myself when the time is right!
 
njken said:
Yes that's why I'm good at finding out facts so what do you do. You must be a scientist
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Nah, I can read your email address and since you stated you were in the test booster industry, i looked you up. It was rather...interesting to say the least.
 
njken said:
Yes I will say it's very entertaining
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So being a cop with an interesting couple of years constitutes you as being "in the field"

I've heard it all now. LOL
 
As I stated I own a few gyms so I've seen a lot of different products come through my door trying to be promoted and yet with my partners look at them they laugh.
 
njken said:
As I stated I own a few gyms so I've seen a lot of different products come through my door trying to be promoted and yet with my partners look at them they laugh.
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Which doesn't mean you're in the field of research. Try again.
 
Ricky10 said:
Perfect choice with the Test1fy! Surprised that you felt the need to buy an additional AI supplement as Test1fy already has Abieta-8,11,13-trien-18-oic acid, and it makes its presence known. I would be surprised if you were able to tolerate this combined with the new Novedex XT. Chances are you will end up having to run them separately.

I am certainly looking forward to trying the new Novedex XT myself when the time is right!
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Ok very interesting so your suggestion is to take these two products separately?

This was the nature of the forum to determine if stacking an additional anti-estrogen product like Novedex XT with a product like Test1fy to be effective or overkill.

Let me know your thoughts as I'm less familiar with AI products.
 
I'm sure you did, especially the mugshot. Lol

"In the field" lol
 
njken said:
Cops get accused of things all the time. It's a sad world we live in.
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Everyone in prison is innocent. Didn't you see shawshank?
 
GAINZFORDAYZ said:
Ok very interesting so your suggestion is to take these two products separately?

This was the nature of the forum to determine if stacking an additional anti-estrogen product like Novedex XT with a product like Test1fy to be effective or overkill.

Let me know your thoughts as I'm less familiar with AI products.
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Well, in the case of Test1fy or Alphamax XT for example...the AI is already part of the test booster formula. If you had decided upon something like Testruction...the addition of separate AI would make more sense and is generally recommend in this particular case.

I personally find the AI properties of Abieta-8,11,13-trien-18-oic acid to be quite enough..
 
nobodys mentioned this D-Aspartic Acid
D-aspartic acid (D-AA) is an amino acid regulator of testosterone synthesis and may act on a stimulatory receptor (NMDA). D-AA shows promise in aiding male fertility. Healthy men supplementing D-AA experience only temporary increases in testosterone, which limits its use.and according to examine.com theres no need for an AI as estrogen isnt raised significantly
 
corsaking said:
nobodys mentioned this D-Aspartic Acid
D-aspartic acid (D-AA) is an amino acid regulator of testosterone synthesis and may act on a stimulatory receptor (NMDA). D-AA shows promise in aiding male fertility. Healthy men supplementing D-AA experience only temporary increases in testosterone, which limits its use.and according to examine.com theres no need for an AI as estrogen isnt raised significantly
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Nobody mentions it because it doesn't work...
 
according to examine .com it does.Any test booster will not increase testosterone to the level required to increase muscle mass.Consider the amount of testosterone injected by those who use AAS to gain muscle , what a natural test booster will give you if they work, is laughable by comparison
 
corsaking said:
according to examine .com it does.Any test booster will not increase testosterone to the level required to increase muscle mass.Consider the amount of testosterone injected by those who use AAS to gain muscle , what a natural test booster will give you if they work, is laughable by comparison
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it doesnt work
 
Check out Layne Norton's hormone myths

I believe a test booster truly does boost test but not to a Supra physiological level which is what you need to build muscle that being said you can still get libido boosts, be drier, etc the benefits aren't only for protein synthesis.
 
corsaking said:
perhaps you should be contacting examine .com and advise them that their information is wrong
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I don't have a source off hand but I also heard that D-aspartic to only be effective in individuals with low test levels, but not effective in people with healthy test levels.
 
JCR97 said:
Check out Layne Norton's hormone myths

I believe a test booster truly does boost test but not to a Supra physiological level which is what you need to build muscle that being said you can still get libido boosts, be drier, etc the benefits aren't only for protein synthesis.
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Yeah, you can still get benefits from test boosters without increasing testosterone to supraphysicological levels with things like ashwagandha (an adaptogen), and forskolin (cAMP).
 
'testboosters' don't boost test period. Purported test increases are insignificant and within bounds of natural daily fluctuations.

A common refrain of reps is: testboosters will not increase your test to supra-physiological levels' This is a clever marketing ruse to trick customers into believing that they do boost test just not at the same levels as gear. Fact is in the real world they don't. If they did reps would have been flooding the board with bloodwork.

Another myth is that natty 'testboosters' can increase free test. Reality is, just as with TT, they dont. Anyone who says they do plse provide supporting bloodwork
 
ucheoma said:
'testboosters 'dont boost test period. Purported test increases are insignificant and within bounds of natural daily fluctuations.

A common refrain of reps is: testboosters will not increase your test to supraphysiological levels' This is a marketing ruse to trick customers into believing that they do boost test only not at the same levels of gear. Fact is in the real world they dont. If they did reps would have been flooding the board withb bloodwork. Another myth is that they increase free test. They dont.
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That's true actually
 
GAINZFORDAYZ said:
Decided to stack Test1fy with Novedex-XT. I will be starting this in roughly 2-weeks and will keep everyone posted on my results.
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I've ran testify-solid product...curious about the new novadex though!!!
 
its just another illustration of a range of supplements which are bunk and through clever advertising which consumers buy into , line the pockets of company directors if i can call them that , gawd knows these supplements could be put together in someones garage
 
corsaking said:
its just another illustration of a range of supplements which are bunk and through clever advertising which consumers buy into , line the pockets of company directors if i can call them that , gawd knows these supplements could be put together in someones garage
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Yes, but this is an easy statement to make.

There are however good products being produced by good companies. If a company continues to produce crap they usually do not last especially in such a competitive market. I think most people inappropriately view supplements as short-cuts to gains, which is taken advantage of by the industry.

For people who take their diets/nutrition and training seriously there is a legitimate place for supplementation. This is why research and forums like this are important to take into considerations when looking into taking or trying new supplement, in the goal to weed out the crap.
 
GAINZFORDAYZ said:
I don't have a source off hand but I also heard that D-aspartic to only be effective in individuals with low test levels, but not effective in people with healthy test levels.
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This is true, here you go.

Twenty-four males, with a minimum of two years' experience in resistance training, (age, 24.5 ± 3.2 y; training experience, 3.4 ± 1.4 y; height, 178.5 ± 6.5 cm; weight, 84.7 ± 7.2 kg; bench press 1-RM, 105.3 ± 15.2 kg) were randomised into one of three groups: 6 g.d(-1) plain flour (D0); 3 g.d(-1) of d-aspartic acid (D3); and 6 g.d(-1) of d-aspartic acid (D6). Participants performed a two-week washout period, training four days per week. This continued through the experimental period (14 days), with participants consuming the supplement in the morning. Serum was analysed for levels of testosterone, estradiol, sex hormone binding globulin, albumin and free testosterone was determined by calculation.

D-aspartic acid supplementation revealed no main effect for group in: estradiol; sex-hormone-binding-globulin; and albumin. Total testosterone was significantly reduced in D6 (P = 0.03). Analysis of free testosterone showed that D6 was significantly reduced as compared to D0 (P = 0.005), but not significantly different to D3. Analysis did not reveal any significant differences between D3 and D0. No significant correlation between initial total testosterone levels and responsiveness to d-aspartic acid was observed (r = 0.10, P = 0.70).

The present study demonstrated that a daily dose of six grams of d-aspartic acid decreased levels of total testosterone and free testosterone (D6), without any concurrent change in other hormones measured. Three grams of d-aspartic acid had no significant effect on either testosterone markers. It is currently unknown what effect this reduction in testosterone will have on strength and hypertrophy gains.
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Resistance-trained men resistance trained 4 times/wk for 28 days while orally ingesting either 3 g of placebo or 3 g of D-ASP. Data were analyzed with 2 × 2 analysis of variance (P < .05).

The gonadal hormones were unaffected by 28 days of D-ASP supplementation and not associated with the observed increases in muscle strength and mass. Therefore, at the dose provided, D-ASP supplementation is ineffective in up-regulating the activity of the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis and has no anabolic or ergogenic effects in skeletal muscle.
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The first study I referenced regarding DAA was published recently (2015), and used subjects with at least 2 years experience resistance training, and the study also had subjects train 4-days a week. If you look at the full text (which I put a link to below), you'll see that both 3g and 6g DAA REDUCED free testosterone relative to no DAA (although the decrease was only significant in the 6g group):
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What is it you're hoping for from DAA?
 
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