Stacking ep1logue and Massmax

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Now that im close to finishing my cut, I want to try a great stack for 12weeks. The first 4 weeks would be more of a recomp and then I am planning to push things further size wise.

I have already ordered a bottle of ep1logue and Alphamax. Reading some of the reviews and the feedback about Mass Max, I want to try it for 8 weeks.
My question is: Is it useless/ makes no sense to add it to the Alphamax/ep1logue stack since it has epicatechin and so does ep1logue? Is there any supplement I can add to this stack?

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Don't waste your money on small things that won't make a difference in my oppinion. Get MK-677 and up your protein intake to at least 180-200g, new research shows it increases your IGF-1 levels
 
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Don't waste your money on small things that won't make a difference in my oppinion. Get MK-677 and up your protein intake to at least 180-200g, new research shows it increases your IGF-1 levels
how much and when do you take mk-677
 

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Don't waste your money on small things that won't make a difference in my oppinion. Get MK-677 and up your protein intake to at least 180-200g, new research shows it increases your IGF-1 levels
I dont know much about mk 677 but from what ive read, it can impact prolactin levels and im worried it can worsen my gyno( from my teenage days).
 
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I dont know much about mk 677 but from what ive read, it can impact prolactin levels and im worried it can worsen my gyno( from my teenage days).
Last I knew, it only mildly increases prolactin and cortisol in the very beginning...like first week or so..
I don’t recall anyone having any issues with gyno flare ups as a result when utilizing a legit source.

You could always utilize a bottle of Inhibit-P with it to be on the safe side.

On another note, I think your original plan for a cycle sounds rather interesting. Might consider trading out the EP1LOGUE for MASSACR3 though, just due to the (-)-epi overlap. The dose/delivery system of (-)-epi in EP1LOGUE is quite potent..
 
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how much and when do you take mk-677
At least 25mg which is the studies dose. 50 gives more but not at a rate to where you should waste double your money. It's a long term supp, people take it all year, at least 6 months I would say. You will get some insane strength.
 

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At least 25mg which is the studies dose. 50 gives more but not at a rate to where you should waste double your money. It's a long term supp, people take it all year, at least 6 months I would say. You will get some insane strength.
Yea MK677 is the best you get, it makes all natty supplements useless. It's literally the safest oral substance with good benefits overall.
 
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I would run MassMax after the AlphaMax and ep1logue. I typically stack AlphaMax and MassMax, however you have the ep1logue on order. MassMax is much more than just an (-)-epi product. Most users see 5-7 lb gains from it. Say what you want, but that's damn good from natty product.
 
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I would run MassMax after the AlphaMax and ep1logue. I typically stack AlphaMax and MassMax, however you have the ep1logue on order. MassMax is much more than just an (-)-epi product. Most users see 5-7 lb gains from it. Say what you want, but that's damn good from natty product.
Of pure muscle? Does it give strength increases in an advanced lifter? I don't think so. I have 2 bottles laying around at home. Tried 2 before. Did not note very much. What is it that would work in it?
 
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Of pure muscle? Does it give strength increases in an advanced lifter? I don't think so. I have 2 bottles laying around at home. Tried 2 before. Did not note very much. What is it that would work in it?
2 bottles of Massmax?
 

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I would run MassMax after the AlphaMax and ep1logue. I typically stack AlphaMax and MassMax, however you have the ep1logue on order. MassMax is much more than just an (-)-epi product. Most users see 5-7 lb gains from it. Say what you want, but that's damn good from natty product.
Never tried a test booster supplement... after pretty much two back to back natty cutting seasons I feel like my test has dropped a little bit... do you think that AlphaMax would help me increase my test back to normal levels ( with sleep and diet in check of course)? If so would one bottle be enough? I dont expect nothing crazy from it just a little push.
 
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Of pure muscle? Does it give strength increases in an advanced lifter? I don't think so. I have 2 bottles laying around at home. Tried 2 before. Did not note very much. What is it that would work in it?
It won't be 5-7lbs of lean mass, but an 8 week cycle of Massmax will definitely improve strength and size. I would say I'm a somewhat "advanced" lifter (consistently training for 8 years), and I still see positive effects from natural products like Massmax.

If you're comparing a natural product to MK-677 then obviously the results/gains from MK-677 will be better. But keep in mind that there are more side effects and unknowns about MK-677 and Sarms, so in comparison Massmax would be safer and still provide great benefits. Even for an advanced lifter.
 
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Never tried a test booster supplement... after pretty much two back to back natty cutting seasons I feel like my test has dropped a little bit... do you think that AlphaMax would help me increase my test back to normal levels ( with sleep and diet in check of course)? If so would one bottle be enough? I dont expect nothing crazy from it just a little push.
I would give Alphamax a try if you're coming out of a cut, it can help with your recovery and sleep as well. I prefer to use Alphamax on a recomp or lean bulk. I would try 1 bottle (4 weeks) and see how you feel at the 3 week mark. If you're enjoying the benefits you could add an additional bottle for an 8 week run
 
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It won't be 5-7lbs of lean mass, but an 8 week cycle of Massmax will definitely improve strength and size. I would say I'm a somewhat "advanced" lifter (consistently training for 8 years), and I still see positive effects from natural products like Massmax.

If you're comparing a natural product to MK-677 then obviously the results/gains from MK-677 will be better. But keep in mind that there are more side effects and unknowns about MK-677 and Sarms, so in comparison Massmax would be safer and still provide great benefits. Even for an advanced lifter.
What is the best muscle builder supp you have used during your 8 years of consistant lifting.
 
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I would give Alphamax a try if you're coming out of a cut, it can help with your recovery and sleep as well. I prefer to use Alphamax on a recomp or lean bulk. I would try 1 bottle (4 weeks) and see how you feel at the 3 week mark. If you're enjoying the benefits you could add an additional bottle for an 8 week run
Agreed with this. I've used alphamax xt multiple times and had great results. Very well known natty test booster on the market.
 
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Agreed with this. I've used alphamax xt multiple times and had great results. Very well known natty test booster on the market.
Would you recommend MassMax to a 20 year old guy with high testo already?
 
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Would you recommend MassMax to a 20 year old guy with high testo already?
MassMax(Natural Anabolic/Androgenic) yes. AlphaMax(Testbooster, Cort/Estro control) no.

MassMax was formulated to boost protein synthesis, strength, endurance, and muscle mass. A 20yo running MassMax with a calorie surplus, would definitely see results.
 
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Yea MK677 is the best you get, it makes all natty supplements useless. It's literally the safest oral substance with good benefits overall.
Then heaps of people say it’s useless for body building

Lethargy, hunger and bloating is all I’ve seen
 
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What is the best muscle builder supp you have used during your 8 years of consistant lifting.
My favorite natural muscle building supplement is ArA. Massmax is a very close second. The big problem I have with ArA is dealing with the inflammation, soreness, and joint pain. I always have elbow pain when I use ArA, so even though it works well for strength and size, I would prefer to use Massmax because there are no side effects from it.

ArA and Massmax work in completely different ways, so they would both be solid options to try out to see what works best for you
 

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If you’re open to other suggestions, I’d take KingSlayer over Epilogue and Massmax for a caloric surplus. You may find a slight increase in appetite and fat gain mitigation. Korean Mistletoe (found in KingSlayer) has a lot of promise
 

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Then heaps of people say it’s useless for body building

Lethargy, hunger and bloating is all I’ve seen
I know some spoke of eating less carbs and dosing closer to bed to combat bloating, hunger, and lethargy. Not sure if it is actually effective.
 

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