STACK HELP!!!

[AllPro1284]

X factor advanced
Anabeta Elite
Magnitropin
Fearn Lecithin Granules (instead of King)
PES High Volume
Ergonine
Cellusyn Agmatine

So, I've been out of the gym for awhile. Was on AAS for about 3 years. Stayed around 240lbs and 9% bf. Right now I am 200lbs and 12%. Test levels are good but estrogen has been high so I just started running nolva, clomid, and arimedex 4 days ago and have dropped 5lbs of water, stomach looking lean. Been off AAS for 8 months. I have a bad pinched nerve that has made my left arm weak and bad atrophy in that tricep.

OK so I'm jus looking to make some decent gains and lean out in the process.

HERE IS THE PROBLEM

I just started working for a moving company and I'm dropping fat/muscle like a starving Hebrew slave. I have not quite figures out the best way to diet with this job but it is literally 10hrs plus of straight cardio. Everyone that works there is either fat as hell or skinny as a rail. If I had the $ I'd drink half a tub of Vitargo or Karbolyn everyday but I dont. I did manage to buy all these cool supps you guys are raving about though! Some days I'm way too tired to hit the gym and try to get it in on the weekends and maybe 2 days after work. My goals really are to get as lean as possible, and hopefully recomp since I have some muscle memory on my side. 5lbs and smaller waist would be just fine. I also take some fat burners during the day at work (synedrex, caffeine pills, monster) no stems on the weekends and benadryl everynight to upregulate b2.

Should I take them all together? Timing? What about days I burn 10k cals at work but don't lift?? Diet suggestions? I can order more and run it all 8 weeks. Thanks for your help. (lifelong natties please don't flame my aas use, I've come back from the dark side for good!!)

 

[johnnyp]

The only thing I can see you encountering a problem with is XFA, some people get serious DOMS and that might affect your work performance. I think that stacking ABE and Lecithin would be a good idea and taking Magnitropin while cycling off ABE. If you are burning 10k cals working that is pretty intense and you might benefit from making yourself some meal replacement shakes with whey, oats, peanut butter etc.

 

[MultiVitamin]

You could run them all together. I don't think additional agmatine will be necessary. You could of course split them up.

ABE/XF is popular stack add in the SL (bc it's cheap you could continue it), then use either E9 + Agmatine or HV then;

Run Magnitrophin, perhaps add in some Alphamax and run it with the other of the E9+Ag/HV combo not used.

The AlphaMax would be great for recomp bc of the f95, and the arimistane would also give some recomp effects, but also help keep estro at bay

Most you can run as label claims, I'd take one dose of AB pre-wo, take XF pre and only on training days (if u wanted u could take it before moving for some pumps on the job ), SL 1 dose pre 1 post, agmatine can be taken anytime ideally pre, I'd also take Mag pre/on an empty stomach bc it will be better absorbed

GL brah, ask away if things are still unclear

 

[vujade]

In regards to your dietary issues, it would be best if you cold prepare your meals in advance, either on
Sunday or the the night before you go to work.

Buy a large cooler that you can take to work with you. Im sure in your 10 hour days, you should be getting
a lunch break, plus 2 10 or 15 minute breaks in between.

Eat a large breakfast before work, and then have premade meals that you can gobble down on breaks.

You can also do high calorie shakes as johnnyp mentioned for some of the meals.

If you are already burning calories like crazy, you probably don't need to take additional far burners.

If you've never run any of these supplements, most people will recommend that you take them individually
to see how they work before you stack them, otherwise you won't know which ones work and which ones
you don't respond to.

If your deadset on stacking, then you probably split this into 2 - 8 week cycles....

1ST 8 WEEK CYCLE
Magnitropin (add BLR Follidrone for additional epi )
Fearn Lecithin Granules
Ergonine - 1 hour before workout (or as directed)
High Volume - 1/2 before workout (or as directed)

2ND 8 WEEK CYCLE
X Factor Advanced - as directed
Anabeta Elite - as directed
PES High Volume
Ergonine

If your interested in controlling your E2, BLR has just come out with a great new AI called Letrone.
Its an interesting compound, that has both AI properties and Anabolic properties.

It has been tested on cycle with up to a gram of Test, plus during PCT and dose a great job of
controlling E2 naturally, with no sides or joint pains.

BLR Letrone
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BLR Follidrone
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[LeanEngineer]

I think those two have u covered! You'll definitely get good results with the Abe xf run!

 

[AllPro1284]

Thanks for the feedback! I've run both abe, and x factor together but never PA or epi. I do think I may run them all together if I can train frequently enough and diet right. Do many of your use lecithin granuales? What's been the best dosage to take and timing? How were your results?

 

[vujade]

Thanks for the feedback! I've run both abe, and x factor together but never PA or epi. I do think I may run them all together if I can train frequently enough and diet right. Do many of your use lecithin granuales? What's been the best dosage to take and timing? How were your results?

I think Danes can help you with the lecithin questions...

 

[Danes]

Thanks for the feedback! I've run both abe, and x factor together but never PA or epi. I do think I may run them all together if I can train frequently enough and diet right. Do many of your use lecithin granuales? What's been the best dosage to take and timing? How were your results?

Take granules pre and after workout.
Make sure you choose a SL product such as fearn (PA and other phospholipids labeled).
PM if you have any questions

 

[iThrow]

I would look into normal x-factor or x-gels rather than X factor advanced... additional omegas aren't recommended when taking ArA

Have you looked into possibly adding an AI to keep those Estrogen levels lower?

Something such as Elimistane?

A solid Arimistane product is always good for an 8 week run no matter what your goals are. Not to mention Elimistane also has other goodies such as E Cottonii and a Chrysin cyclodextrin complex for better absorption!

Stack looks great otherwise my man Any other questions just ask!

 

[AllPro1284]

I would look into normal x-factor or x-gels rather than X factor advanced... additional omegas aren't recommended when taking ArA

Have you looked into possibly adding an AI to keep those Estrogen levels lower?

Something such as Elimistane?

A solid Arimistane product is always good for an 8 week run no matter what your goals are. Not to mention Elimistane also has other goodies such as E Cottonii and a Chrysin cyclodextrin complex for better absorption!

Stack looks great otherwise my man Any other questions just ask!

I mentioned I'm on pharma anti-e's (arimedex, nolva, clomid) they seem to be doing the trick

 

[iThrow]

I mentioned I'm on pharma anti-e's (arimedex, nolva, clomid) they seem to be doing the trick

yessir i just figured youd want something natural since youll be running that more for pct if you were to cycle.

I assumed running nolva clomid etc just would get expensive! cheap alternative my man

 

[KilaCali]

I mentioned I'm on pharma anti-e's (arimedex, nolva, clomid) they seem to be doing the trick

those are all good, I'm thinking since your away from the aas tapering down on the serms and ai's and switching to the natural route with a strong AI that will still keep your E2 low but give you tons of additional benefits, (hence this is where BLR's Letrone comes in) and if you still want the serm effect you could stack it with Rebirth which seems to work pretty nice, just don't want you stuck on the higher grade stuff, I know its sometimes a pain to get ahold of and some of its doing more harm then good, and since your running an all natty stack might as well clean off the pharm grade stuff ya know? just my .02cents i just cut back to part time mover myself and went through the same thing, i think the guys that posted before me had great idea's as far as keeping your carbs up, i liked to take half my stack and pre workout before the move and the rest later on in the day and would be pumped and full of energy through all the moves. hope it works out!

 

[daddywarbuck]

I dont know how wise it is to take ergonine or high volume with X-factor preworkout. Arachidonic acid, via the eicosanoids known as PGF(2α) and PGE2, stimulate muscle protein synthesis. Due to the production of these eicosanoids being dependent on the COX2 enzyme, inhibiting this enzyme is thought to reduce the anabolic effects of exercise when taken prior to.

Ergonine contains Ferulic Acid: In Vivo. 2005 Sep-Oct;19(5):849-53.
Ferulic acid dimer inhibits lipopolysaccharide-stimulated cyclooxygenase-2 expression in macrophages.
Hirata A1, Murakami Y, Atsumi T, Shoji M, Ogiwara T, Shibuya K, Ito S, Yokoe I, Fujisawa S.

High volume contains Evodia Rutaecarpa: Both evodiamine and rutaecarpine have been shown to inhibit PGE(2) production in macrophages that are stimulated by LPS (a pro-inflammatory signal)and in macrophages undergoing hypoxia. Evodiamine was further able to prevent upregulation of COX-2, a pro-inflammatory enzyme, while rutaecarpine was ineffective at doing so.

 

[KilaCali]

I dont know how wise it is to take ergonine or high volume with X-factor preworkout. Arachidonic acid, via the eicosanoids known as PGF(2α) and PGE2, stimulate muscle protein synthesis. Due to the production of these eicosanoids being dependent on the COX2 enzyme, inhibiting this enzyme is thought to reduce the anabolic effects of exercise when taken prior to.

Ergonine contains Ferulic Acid: In Vivo. 2005 Sep-Oct;19(5):849-53.
Ferulic acid dimer inhibits lipopolysaccharide-stimulated cyclooxygenase-2 expression in macrophages.
Hirata A1, Murakami Y, Atsumi T, Shoji M, Ogiwara T, Shibuya K, Ito S, Yokoe I, Fujisawa S.

High volume contains Evodia Rutaecarpa: Both evodiamine and rutaecarpine have been shown to inhibit PGE(2) production in macrophages that are stimulated by LPS (a pro-inflammatory signal)and in macrophages undergoing hypoxia. Evodiamine was further able to prevent upregulation of COX-2, a pro-inflammatory enzyme, while rutaecarpine was ineffective at doing so.

Great info man, thanks for sharing!