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So...whats up with this testosterone cypionate?

kisaj said:
Yes, very much so. It isn't like you take something and say whoa, but your day to day is better. I've been at the point for the last year a half that I will almost forget to inject because the ups and downs are non-existent. When you are on a 10-14 day protocol, you are looking forward to inject day because you start to feel lousy.
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You nailed that perfectly, I feel good for a week or so, but then my levels crash so hard that it takes away any of the good balanced feeling I had the week before.
 
BrianJB said:
I am in Iowa, the pharmacy that I got my syringes from charged me 50 cents per, so I paid $2 for 4 syringes. But my pharmacy was flakey about me buying them, I said "well I am going to need them either way to inject, I can go back to the doctor and get them if I can't buy them here". But part of the issue here is that this town has a high level of drug abuse so they are so cautious about everything.

I even think they messed up my script, I was given a prescription for 1x 10ml vial, they gave me 2 1ml vials with 1 refill. So that's only 4mls total, I told the dr. So he knows.

I am in a very small town, I just get my scripts filled in this town because I work here.

I still feel great today, but I know I'll start to crash in the next few days, I called the dr. Today and left a message about going to weekly shots. I will update once I hear back.
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So retarded about "regulating needle sales". Like that's gonna make people do drugs. It only keeps disease from spreading. WA has needle exchange for free and legal to purchase without script
 
Believe me, I didn't even think they would be as weird about selling me the needles as they were consider I just got an injectable prescription from them.

I still haven't heard back from the doctor, but I think either way I am going to do 100mg this Friday.
 
Regulating needle sales would actually increase disease and infection from needle use.

If I were a heroin addict and I knew I only had 1 needle left, then I'd just wipe the needle with alcohol after use and reuse.

Sell stuff freely (like they should) and people just go buy some new, clean, sterile needles.

But thank goodness for the internet. Leave the pharmacy out of it.
 
BrianJB said:
Believe me, I didn't even think they would be as weird about selling me the needles as they were consider I just got an injectable prescription from them. I still haven't heard back from the doctor, but I think either way I am going to do 100mg this Friday.
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Great decision on injecting 100 mgs!!!!
 
Thank you guys so much for your support through all of this...I never realized how much testosterone (or lack there of) plays a role in everyday life
 
OK did my first 100mg injection today. But I also caught a stomach bug from my kid so not feeling the best today. I will report back how I am feeling as the week goes on.
 
fueledpassion said:
Regulating needle sales would actually increase disease and infection from needle use.

If I were a heroin addict and I knew I only had 1 needle left, then I'd just wipe the needle with alcohol after use and reuse.

Sell stuff freely (like they should) and people just go buy some new, clean, sterile needles.

But thank goodness for the internet. Leave the pharmacy out of it.
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Bleach not alcohol.
 
Well I've been doing the weekly shots...still not feeling much of a difference. Not sure if I need more or less.... But everything is the same as it was before the testosterone shots...not sure what to do now.

I know I felt it after my very first shot...I felt so much better and my energy and drive was awesome. Really looking back at it I've felt nothing since then....

Also I haven't really lost any body fat...and yes, I have been working out. But I do not feel stronger or anything. It's not like I'm a huge guy...5'7 155lbs, I wonder if I need a higher dose....

I feel like I'm at a dead end...
 
The only way to track progress with TRT is with frequent bloodwork until you get it all figured out. I wouldn't increase test until you see your bloodwork results.

Losing weight is a combination of exercise and diet. You have to have this figured out and track macros to make adjustments and corrections.
 
BrianJB said:
Well I've been doing the weekly shots...still not feeling much of a difference. Not sure if I need more or less.... But everything is the same as it was before the testosterone shots...not sure what to do now. I know I felt it after my very first shot...I felt so much better and my energy and drive was awesome. Really looking back at it I've felt nothing since then.... Also I haven't really lost any body fat...and yes, I have been working out. But I do not feel stronger or anything. It's not like I'm a huge guy...5'7 155lbs, I wonder if I need a higher dose.... I feel like I'm at a dead end...
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Ok lots of things could be going on. Here's a list of questions:
How long have you been on weekly injections?
When was your last blood work completed and I mean a complete panel including all hormone levels?
What was your E2 level?
Are you taking anything else at all? DHEA pregnenolone vitamin D?
Have you thought about twice a week injections?
If you have low T your body is going to need other things to support the T shots and your blood work is gong to tell you what you need. You can't just inject with test and expect to be back to normal. Believe I wish it was like that. Your E2 could be elevated. That's a common factor in "not feeling good" while on TRT. If you inject twice a week that can help lower your T. Your blood work is very important because you can trouble shoot your protocol from it.
 
Here is what my estradiol levels were back in may...

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Not sure if the pic is showing or not... my level was 17.999999

Also-

No other supplements...I was taking vitamin d back in April but nothing since then.
 
BrianJB said:
Here is what my estradiol levels were back in may... <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=103588"/> Not sure if the pic is showing or not... my level was 17.999999 Also- No other supplements...I was taking vitamin d back in April but nothing since then.
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The E2 test used, was that quest or Labcorp? It looks like the regular test for women and not for men. If you search this forum you will find info on the correct test so you can pass that along to your dr. On that test is shows your E2 is low but on the correct test it could possibly test high. When I started taking pregnenolone with my protocol I started feeling so much better. How long have you been on weekly injections?
 
sammpedd88 said:
The E2 test used, was that quest or Labcorp? It looks like the regular test for women and not for men. If you search this forum you will find info on the correct test so you can pass that along to your dr. On that test is shows your E2 is low but on the correct test it could possibly test high. When I started taking pregnenolone with my protocol I started feeling so much better. How long have you been on weekly injections?
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I just started weekly injections 2 weeks ago.... I will search for the correct e2 test...

I have some pregnenolone cream I could use if you think it would help a bit?
 
BrianJB said:
I just started weekly injections 2 weeks ago.... I will search for the correct e2 test... I have some pregnenolone cream I could use if you think it would help a bit?
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In my opinion I don't think the preg cream will hurt anything. With only being on weekly injections for two weeks, don't change the amount of your T. Give it time to work. If you were to change anything, inject twice a week. Like I said before if you are having E2 issues then injecting twice a week can help with it.
 
sammpedd88 said:
In my opinion I don't think the preg cream will hurt anything. With only being on weekly injections for two weeks, don't change the amount of your T. Give it time to work. If you were to change anything, inject twice a week. Like I said before if you are having E2 issues then injecting twice a week can help with it.
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Maybe I'll do 50mg of test twice weekly...Monday and friday...

Also my preg is 15mg. ..how much of that should I try?
 
So I have been doing the 50mg twice a week, it's Definitely better. But I've had something kind of scary happen to me, yesterday when I went to go pee my urine was like a rust brown color I've NEVER had anything like that ever. So I started drinking a ton of water and my urine went back to being more clear.

I started reading online and of course I know that testosterone can cause this, but I did start taking a zma supplement 4-5 days ago and I've read that those can cause off-color urine. So I didn't take it last night and woke up this morning to go pee and there was more brown urine. I am going to see what happens through the rest of today and tomorrow. ...
 
What is the E2 test you talk about. Ive been pinning cip for 2 yrs now, 175 a week. Doc says I have low Test but he never told me how low. He was givning me 2 oo every 4 weeks and after 2 weeks I felt nothing due to the half life. That s when I took matters into my own hands. Have not had a blood test in about 9 months but they said RBC were a little high. I feel real good at where im at with size but have bad joint pain a lot. Any ideas besides Deca for pain.
 
Hey Big, I'd read the forums here about TRT protocols others are running. Your protocol appears to have issues. I'm very close to starting TRT myself and have been reading as much material as I can. E2 can affect you in a negative way. I'm sure if you read up you'll see what I mean.
 
1. You need more frequent dosing. I'm on 100 mg T Cyp 2X a week (Mondays AM, Thusday PM). Trust me hormonal roller coaster is no fun. A little variation in levels is good, but you cant let your T fall to low T levels or youll feel crap.

2. Ask your doc about HCG. There are biological pathways that T shuts down and T supplementing does not replace. Some are not feasible to replace unless you have a lot of money (FSH), but pregnelone and LH can be roughly replaced inexpensively through HCG supplementation.

3. The way you feel will gradually improve over a period of a few weeks. I say by month 2 if you dont notice a change something is wrong.

4. Subtle changes. More energy, maybe more libido, better outlook on life, etc. A handful of subtle changes that add up to something meaningful.

5. Dont expect all your trouble to be fixed. It is not a magic pill.

6. Dont be lazy, take advantage of your more anabolic hormonal profile. Workout, do cardio, get healthy.

7. Avoid anti estrogens if at all possible. They have always killed libido for me and caused more harm than good. I generally feel less healthy and sick on them. If you begin to experience high E symptoms, Increase your dosing frequency and go SubQ to avoid the spikes which cause more conversion (aromatase activity). If this doesn't reduce E enough consider lowering your T dose. If you are converting that much maybe you dont need as much T.

8. DHT is good. A little aggression, acne and hairloss are a small price to pay for feeling alpha, staying lean and having libido. Trust me feeling like a man is more important than having a headfull of hair. You may not think that way now but you will as soon as you get on the low end of DHT and feel like a woman with no libido or sense of male aggression.

9. Chances are your blood pressure will go up. T causes your RBC, hemocrit and hemoglobin to go up. This can lead to an unhealthy BP especially if you are borderline hypertensive, overweight etc. This should give you more incentive to lose fat and get healthy.

10. Injections wont scare you after the first month, youll actually look forward to getting them. The pain is minimal and a small price to pay for feeling better. SUB Q is the way to go.
Ive tried backfilling insulin pens (too messy and chance for infection is higher), 31 gauge (needle can bend and dull upon inject into vial because its so small (cause pain) and take forever to draw), 29 gauge (needle is sturdy, but draw time sucks), 21 gauge (harpoon: pain, soreness and bleeding), 23 gauage (ehhh), 25 gauge (perfect for IM with decent draw time)....................and I've finally settled on on 26 or 27 (TB pens) gauge 3/8" for SubQ injects in the belly or side glute fat area. The draw time is good,pain is minimal, the needle sturdy, and the short needle will make sure you dont actually do a shallow IM.

11. Low dose daily Cialis is awesome. My doc has a theory known as "Aversion". Goes like this: With low T your performance or erection quality may have suffered in the past so while your condition might have been caused by a physical thing, it unavoidably cause mental effects. Your confidence is reduced. When you introduce T, you may be solving the physical but the mental effects are still there. You have a mental aversion to sex. Your ego suffers.
By making sure you erection quality will be great 100% of the time, your mind adjusts and learns that sex is nothing to fear. you mentally dont avoid or fear it. Your libido magically returns. Sound like BS? Well I can tell you I was one of those TRT guys with low libido and couldnt make sense of it. Daily Cialis has fixed this. Weird because everyone tells you PDE5 inhibitors dont increase libido, and they are right BUT libido also has to do with your confidence and ability to relax and not fear sex. Having 100 % erections solved this for me.
 
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Umberto said:
1. You need more frequent dosing. I'm on 100 mg T Cyp 2X a week (Mondays AM, Thusday PM). Trust me hormonal roller coaster is no fun. A little variation in levels is good, but you cant let your T fall to low T levels or youll feel crap. 2. Ask your doc about HCG. There are biological pathways that T shuts down and T supplementing does not replace. Some are not feasible to replace unless you have a lot of money (FSH), but pregnelone and LH can be roughly replaced inexpensively through HCG supplementation. 3. The way you feel will gradually improve over a period of a few weeks. I say by month 2 if you dont notice a change something is wrong. 4. Subtle changes. More energy, maybe more libido, better outlook on life, etc. A handful of subtle changes that add up to something meaningful. 5. Dont expect all your trouble to be fixed. It is not a magic pill. 6. Dont be lazy, take advantage of your more anabolic hormonal profile. Workout, do cardio, get healthy. 7. Avoid anti estrogens if at all possible. They have always killed libido for me and caused more harm than good. I generally feel less healthy and sick on them. If you begin to experience high E symptoms, Increase your dosing frequency and go SubQ to avoid the spikes which cause more conversion (aromatase activity). If this doesn't reduce E enough consider lowering your T dose. If you are converting that much maybe you dont need as much T. 8. DHT is good. A little aggression, acne and hairloss are a small price to pay for feeling alpha, staying lean and having libido. Trust me feeling like a man is more important than having a headfull of hair. You may not think that way now but you will as soon as you get on the low end of DHT and feel like a woman with no libido or sense of male aggression. 9. Chances are your blood pressure will go up. T causes your RBC, hemocrit and hemoglobin to go up. This can lead to an unhealthy BP especially if you are borderline hypertensive, overweight etc. This should give you more incentive to lose fat and get healthy. 10. Injections wont scare you after the first month, youll actually look forward to getting them. The pain is minimal and a small price to pay for feeling better. SUB Q is the way to go. Ive tried backfilling insulin pens (too messy and chance for infection is higher), 31 gauge (needle can bend and dull upon inject into vial because its so small (cause pain) and take forever to draw), 29 gauge (needle is sturdy, but draw time sucks), 21 gauge (harpoon: pain, soreness and bleeding), 23 gauage (ehhh), 25 gauge (perfect for IM with decent draw time)....................and I've finally settled on on 26 or 27 (TB pens) gauge 3/8" for SubQ injects in the belly or side glute fat area. The draw time is good,pain is minimal, the needle sturdy, and the short needle will make sure you dont actually do a shallow IM. 11. Low dose daily Cialis is awesome. My doc has a theory known as "Aversion". Goes like this: With low T your performance or erection quality may have suffered in the past so while your condition might have been caused by a physical thing, it unavoidably cause mental effects. Your confidence is reduced. When you introduce T, you may be solving the physical but the mental effects are still there. You have a mental aversion to sex. Your ego suffers. By making sure you erection quality will be great 100% of the time, your mind adjusts and learns that sex is nothing to fear. you mentally dont avoid or fear it. Your libido magically returns. Sound like BS? Well I can tell you I was one of those TRT guys with low libido and couldnt make sense of it. Daily Cialis has fixed this. Weird because everyone tells you PDE5 inhibitors dont increase libido, and they are right BUT libido also has to do with your confidence and ability to relax and not fear sex. Having 100 % erections solved this for me.
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You couldn't be more right on the libido issues. When I got on trt and my levels were up my libido was through the roof. But when I was with my girlfriend it was in my head I would have erection problems. Got my hands on some cialis and took a half of a pill. I love it!
 
I backfill slinpins 2x a week for my subQ shots without any issues. You just have to be careful. Never lost any or got any infections. I wouldn't have it any other way. Use a 20g harpoon to load, 60mg testE- home brew 300mg/ml so add .4ml filtered veg oil to dilute and make pain free .6cc/ml shot w/60mg. I'm going to fine tune the dose and increase each dose 10mg at a time. Topical DHEA and PREG is a good addition that I'm using to fine tune my HRT.
 
I can't imagine it being any easier than how I've been doing it. Seems like you are just adding in unnecessary steps, but if it works for you, then why not.
 
Also after 3+ years of injecting, I find I get better results across the board by injecting in my quads instead of glutes. I don't get any emotional issues, no anger, better strength and energy, etc. strange huh?
 
lexmuscle said:
Also after 3+ years of injecting, I find I get better results across the board by injecting in my quads instead of glutes. I don't get any emotional issues, no anger, better strength and energy, etc. strange huh?
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I'm the same way. Between quads, glutes and delts, I think I get the worst results from delt injections best from quads. Maybe it's in my head.
 
I use slin pins but I still just inject in the glutes or delts. I don't like hitting veins, and it's much easier to hit a vein in the quads. I've tried in the quads before but my IT bands tend to cause problems time to time and I don't want to inject into/around them and cause more pain.
 
Gutterpump said:
I use slin pins but I still just inject in the glutes or delts. I don't like hitting veins, and it's much easier to hit a vein in the quads. I've tried in the quads before but my IT bands tend to cause problems time to time and I don't want to inject into/around them and cause more pain.
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I've never hit a vein in my quad. I also inject more toward the top of my quad and go in at an angle than the side. That way you would stay away from your IT band. Just a thought if you wanted to try your quads again
 
kisaj said:
I think it's in your head, but if that's what it takes, that's what it takes.
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I know it's not in my head, but I do get one strange reaction from quad injects, my ears start ringing about 6 hours after and it lasts until late that night. Other than that, all else is good!
 
You don't think it's crazy? If my ears started ringing for hours after taking an injection, I'd want to understand it. It isn't normal.
 
kisaj said:
You don't think it's crazy? If my ears started ringing for hours after taking an injection, I'd want to understand it. It isn't normal.
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I second that. But i did just read on another site that the ringing could be caused by and imbalance of pregnenolone to your T3. But you would think you would get it all the time and not just when you inject in your quad.
 
sammpedd88 said:
I second that. But i did just read on another site that the ringing could be caused by and imbalance of pregnenolone to your T3. But you would think you would get it all the time and not just when you inject in your quad.
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I've always thought it was an increase in blood pressure as my testosterone levels quickly increased, do you have a link to the Preg/T3 imbalance info?
 
kisaj said:
You don't think it's crazy? If my ears started ringing for hours after taking an injection, I'd want to understand it. It isn't normal.
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It's not so loud that it bothers me too much, kinda like listening to loud music and having your ears ring afterward. Testim/Androgel does the same thing to me, only much louder and my chest gets bright red. I'm pretty sure it's blood pressure related
 
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