SNS Prostate Support

[sns8778]

A lot of gear info going on here. As I age things go side ways to me... use to love lj100 and now it irritates my prostate where I have to half pee constantly.... cheaper test boosting ingredients also seem to have that affect. Like single ingredients from week known amazon seller. I just think I'm trying to figure all over again what my prostate can handle. Blah

I've heard that most with generics, but have heard it with LJ100 too. Generics the constituents are all over the place, so its understandable. LJ100 is standardized a certain way and it may be that one of the constituents contributes to it. It could be a constituent reaction or it could be like what you said with age and sensitivities.

Yeah i took tongkat after, made my prostate issues worst, i stick to ashwagandha and thats it! Have the exact same issues as you, when i was younger my body love test boosting, when i hit 36 my body responded more sensitivity and now supplements hit harder

Shockingly i came across a post on another forum, many people take tongkat end up with prostate issues, not everyone but seeing alot of men talk about tongkat giving prostate issues kind of makes sense, as we get older our androgen/hormones get more sensitive and tongkat is pretty potent

I think that a lot of people don't realize how many different constituents is in Tongkat, and with generics, you kind of never know what you're getting. That's why we always stick with the same Tongkat sources.

 

[DaveMcNaul]

I've heard that most with generics, but have heard it with LJ100 too. Generics the constituents are all over the place, so its understandable. LJ100 is standardized a certain way and it may be that one of the constituents contributes to it. It could be a constituent reaction or it could be like what you said with age and sensitivities.



I think that a lot of people don't realize how many different constituents is in Tongkat, and with generics, you kind of never know what you're getting. That's why we always stick with the same Tongkat sources.

The problem with taking “natural” things is assuming that because they’re natural, they must be good. I’m not saying they aren’t—but the issue is you don’t really know if they’ve been altered, or if they actually suit your body. For example, I can eat broccoli and get more gas, while other people don’t. Just because it’s broccoli and considered healthy doesn’t mean it won’t cause digestive issues for you.


The same applies even with good, reputable companies. If a supplement isn’t right for you, it simply won’t sit well. Things like creatine monohydrate don’t agree with everyone, and compounds like citrulline malate or malic acid can cause heartburn. If you take them every day, they can eventually lead to problems. I remember once when I took zinc on empty stomach, the pain was horrible or when I took a pre workout with not too much water and the heartburn was really bad… I almost threw up in the middle of the gym.


In most cases (including mine), we’ve tried supplements from reliable sources, but as I said, you may have a genetic predisposition that makes certain things worsen your condition or maybe they are not reliable at all, I didn’t test in a lab the supps that I been taking, so who knows.


I personally don’t want to use steroids, which is why I’ve looked for natural alternatives. But like I said, nothing is completely harmless,not even plant extracts or “natural” compounds.





The most important thing is to identify the problem and try to truly understand what’s actually going on.

 

[sns8778]

The problem with taking “natural” things is assuming that because they’re natural, they must be good. I’m not saying they aren’t—but the issue is you don’t really know if they’ve been altered, or if they actually suit your body. For example, I can eat broccoli and get more gas, while other people don’t. Just because it’s broccoli and considered healthy doesn’t mean it won’t cause digestive issues for you.


The same applies even with good, reputable companies. If a supplement isn’t right for you, it simply won’t sit well. Things like creatine monohydrate don’t agree with everyone, and compounds like citrulline malate or malic acid can cause heartburn. If you take them every day, they can eventually lead to problems. I remember once when I took zinc on empty stomach, the pain was horrible or when I took a pre workout with not too much water and the heartburn was really bad… I almost threw up in the middle of the gym.


In most cases (including mine), we’ve tried supplements from reliable sources, but as I said, you may have a genetic predisposition that makes certain things worsen your condition or maybe they are not reliable at all, I didn’t test in a lab the supps that I been taking, so who knows.

I personally don’t want to use steroids, which is why I’ve looked for natural alternatives. But like I said, nothing is completely harmless,not even plant extracts or “natural” compounds.

The most important thing is to identify the problem and try to truly understand what’s actually going on.

I'm not sure where you're going with this, because you're saying something I never said.
And your post seems like you're taking me as disagreeing with you - when I've tried to help you and wished you well, and continue to try to reply to points in the thread to be helpful to anyone reading.

I've never once said that something is good for you because it's natural. Not once, ever.

You won't find any person in the 20+ year history of this forum that has said - different things work different for different people - than me. I've said it to the point that back when the forum was busier, it pissed off another particular company owner and they're report me every time I said it lol.

I'm the wrong person to throw a creatine analogy on - because I've shared dozens, if not hundreds of times how I cannot take Creatine Monohydrate because it bloats me and causes digestive issues - which is why I use Magnesium Creatine Chelate and Creatine HCI.

If a person doesn't respond well to something, by all means, its common sense not to take it.

But at the same time - just because something happens when you're on a supplement doesn't mean that the supplement caused it. Same as if you're on a medication, it doesn't mean that the medication caused it. Sometimes in life, things just happen. And in the case of supplements, you're much more likely for something to aggravate something pre-existing than to actually cause something.

Just as its important to realize that different things work different for different people, its important to not go bashing things and making blanket statements because one needs to acknowledge when it seems to be an individual response. For example, almost every time I post about how I can't take monohydrate, I state that monohydrate is fine for most people as long as they can take it. Like in your zinc example, that's wild because tons of people use ZMA and other forms of zinc on an empty stomach every day - in your case, you can't, but its important to realize you're the exception and not the norm on that. Think about the amount of people that use zinc lozenge cough drops daily.

As far as your quality comment - I made a statement about generic raw materials related to Tongkat Ali. Branded versions have consistent standardizations and many generics do no, some aren't even standardized, and many brands use whatever is the cheapest per batch. What I stated is a fact, not an opinion.

I didn't mention any brands - actually said I didn't want to discuss brands in this thread - but its a fact in this industry that a lot of brands don't meet label claims, especially brands that exist mostly or solely on Amazon. That's not an opinion, its a fact and the Now Foods testing of them has shown it over and over again.

Your comment:
The most important thing is to identify the problem and try to truly understand what’s actually going on.

^^^ I don't think you can find a post I've made on this subject that isn't trying to help people understand what's going on or to provide insight on the subject being discussed.

 

[DaveMcNaul]

I'm not sure where you're going with this, because you're saying something I never said.
And your post seems like you're taking me as disagreeing with you - when I've tried to help you and wished you well, and continue to try to reply to points in the thread to be helpful to anyone reading.

I've never once said that something is good for you because it's natural. Not once, ever.

You won't find any person in the 20+ year history of this forum that has said - different things work different for different people - than me. I've said it to the point that back when the forum was busier, it pissed off another particular company owner and they're report me every time I said it lol.

I'm the wrong person to throw a creatine analogy on - because I've shared dozens, if not hundreds of times how I cannot take Creatine Monohydrate because it bloats me and causes digestive issues - which is why I use Magnesium Creatine Chelate and Creatine HCI.

If a person doesn't respond well to something, by all means, its common sense not to take it.

But at the same time - just because something happens when you're on a supplement doesn't mean that the supplement caused it. Same as if you're on a medication, it doesn't mean that the medication caused it. Sometimes in life, things just happen. And in the case of supplements, you're much more likely for something to aggravate something pre-existing than to actually cause something.

Just as its important to realize that different things work different for different people, its important to not go bashing things and making blanket statements because one needs to acknowledge when it seems to be an individual response. For example, almost every time I post about how I can't take monohydrate, I state that monohydrate is fine for most people as long as they can take it. Like in your zinc example, that's wild because tons of people use ZMA and other forms of zinc on an empty stomach every day - in your case, you can't, but its important to realize you're the exception and not the norm on that. Think about the amount of people that use zinc lozenge cough drops daily.

As far as your quality comment - I made a statement about generic raw materials related to Tongkat Ali. Branded versions have consistent standardizations and many generics do no, some aren't even standardized, and many brands use whatever is the cheapest per batch. What I stated is a fact, not an opinion.

I didn't mention any brands - actually said I didn't want to discuss brands in this thread - but its a fact in this industry that a lot of brands don't meet label claims, especially brands that exist mostly or solely on Amazon. That's not an opinion, its a fact and the Now Foods testing of them has shown it over and over again.

Your comment:
The most important thing is to identify the problem and try to truly understand what’s actually going on.

^^^ I don't think you can find a post I've made on this subject that isn't trying to help people understand what's going on or to provide insight on the subject being discussed.

You take everything in a negative way—you always d, and you think this or any comment might harm your business.

My words are mine. Where did I say that you said anything?

Do you realize how many times you respond like this to other users? All their replies are the same: “oh, you misunderstood me.”

I’m speaking for myself. In another one of my posts, I even THANKED YOU for your supportive words.

At this point, I don’t even know how to write on this forum without you feeling attacked. We’re talking about our own experiences, not about businesses.

Maybe we need to relearn how to express ourselves in writing, because it always leads to conflict. Or maybe we also need to learn how to better understand what we read.

Have I mentioned everything I was taking when my prostatitis issues started? Just the tongkat, right?

Urolithin B, Recomp20, and Prime XT—all products from your company. Months before that, I was taking Tongkat Ali from Hi-Tech, which I didn’t notice causing any health issues.

Did I say that the SNS products gave me prostatitis? No. Could I say it? I could.

Today, being constantly made to feel attacked is exhausting. Freedom of expression, as long as it’s expressed respectfull, is always valid, no matter what.

I also said, I have a bottle of cloma-plex waiting to be opened, so do am I trusting sns? Looks like, right?

I know perfectly well that you don’t want any health issues to be discussed in a forum where you’re promoting your supplements, in this case, Tongkat Ali. I wasn’t born yesterday.

I spent hundreds of dollar in your company and I can give my opinion and my thoughts.

My prostatitis appeared while I was taking those supplements. Does that mean they caused it? I don’t know. What I do know is that I have to report what I was taking, doing, or thinking at that time.

 

[sns8778]

You take everything in a negative way—you always d, and you think this or any comment might harm your business.

My words are mine. Where did I say that you said anything?

Do you realize how many times you respond like this to other users? All their replies are the same: “oh, you misunderstood me.”

I’m speaking for myself. In another one of my posts, I even THANKED YOU for your supportive words.

At this point, I don’t even know how to write on this forum without you feeling attacked. We’re talking about our own experiences, not about businesses.

Maybe we need to relearn how to express ourselves in writing, because it always leads to conflict. Or maybe we also need to learn how to better understand what we read.

Have I mentioned everything I was taking when my prostatitis issues started? Just the tongkat, right?

Urolithin B, Recomp20, and Prime XT—all products from your company. Months before that, I was taking Tongkat Ali from Hi-Tech, which I didn’t notice causing any health issues.

Did I say that the SNS products gave me prostatitis? No. Could I say it? I could.

Today, being constantly made to feel attacked is exhausting. Freedom of expression, as long as it’s expressed respectfull, is always valid, no matter what.

I also said, I have a bottle of cloma-plex waiting to be opened, so do am I trusting sns? Looks like, right?

I know perfectly well that you don’t want any health issues to be discussed in a forum where you’re promoting your supplements, in this case, Tongkat Ali. I wasn’t born yesterday.

I spent hundreds of dollar in your company and I can give my opinion and my thoughts.

My prostatitis appeared while I was taking those supplements. Does that mean they caused it? I don’t know. What I do know is that I have to report what I was taking, doing, or thinking at that time.

I think that we have some miscommunication here &/or that you have some preconceived perception of something that isn’t the case.

This thread was originally about Prostate Support XT, and I replied to the thread answering questions about the product. As the conversation turned to prostatitis, I tried to offer helpful information as its something I’ve had myself in the past – and mine was unique bc it happened when I was in my 20’s – so I had hoped that by sharing my experience, it may help someone else one day.

I didn't take anything as negative towards me until your last post where you quoted my post and it seemed like you were trying to say that I said something that I never said.

I didn't even understand why you were saying what you said in your last post - because you quoted me and made it out like I was saying things that I didn't say - which I clearly explained in my reply. Including saying that I didn’t understand where you were going with what you were saying directed at me (which I took directed at me bc you quoted me).

• You made a post in the thread that when your problems started, you were on some natural muscle builders.
• My very first reply to you was trying to be helpful to you and anyone reading and what I stated are facts, not opinion:
  • The statistics related to prostatitis.
  • That just because we experience something while taking a supplement doesn’t mean it’s the supplements fault, especially when it’s such a common problem.
  • It’s highly unlikely that a supplement will cause it, but whether a supplement can aggravate it or exacerbate it can vary by the person.
  • I was trying to be helpful by saying that it stood out to me that you said that you felt better on vacation and may want to mention that to your doctor.
• In my second post, I agreed with you on some of the things that you said and said that one of the things you said was what I meant – about it being more likely that something would aggravate something than actually cause it. (I said it, you said it, so I thought we agreed on it).
  • And a major point I was trying to emphasize its that it’s important to not blame a health issue on the wrong thing (anything) because it may keep a person from finding the actual cause, which if environmental, isn’t going to change unless you know to change it, which is going to make the situation recurring.
  • I also mentioned a probiotic that helped my stomach after a doxycycline course – which we don’t make, and I suggested it to help you bc its inexpensive and worked better for me than several much more expensive ones I tried before it.
• I took it that you understood what I meant because in your next reply, you replied back about you had thought about that (the environmental part) and thought about it possibly being a bidet or the water supply in your area.
• Apparently, you thought we were having some type of negative back and forth, when I thought I was trying to help you and that we were agreeing.
• Which is why it surprised me when you quoted a reply of mine that wasn’t even to you and replied to it – and it seemed like you were saying I said things that I didn’t’ say or even say anything close to.
  • My post you quoted was actually about me explaining things to watch out for with Tongkat Ali, which you ironically then accused me of in your last post not wanting anyone discussing – when I was the one providing details on what to watch out for.

You said:
You take everything in a negative way—you always d, and you think this or any comment might harm your business. My words are mine. Where did I say that you said anything?

^^^ You’re the one that quoted my post and typed all of that out directed at me.
Why would I take it as directed at me? Because you quoted me.

You said:
I’m speaking for myself. In another one of my posts, I even THANKED YOU for your supportive words.

^^^ Yes, which is why I didn’t realize there was a problem. I was participating in discussion and trying to post information that would be helpful to people following along or reading in the future.

You said:
At this point, I don’t even know how to write on this forum without you feeling attacked. We’re talking about our own experiences, not about businesses.

^^^ Nothing about any of my posts in this thread have been about business, other than answering direct questions about our product. The only actual product in this thread that I said anyone should look into was telling you that BB536 as a single ingredient helped me a lot after a doxycycline course and I told you that because I spent 49.99 and 59.99 on two probiotics that didn’t help and the one that wound up helping cost less than 20 bucks and is NOT one of our products.

There was nothing about any of my posts that was attacking you. I thought we were having an informative conversation until the post you made quoting me and talking about natural supplements, etc.

And I didn’t reply back to that negatively, I even said that it seemed like you were taking me as disagreeing with you when I wasn’t. Copy and paste of what I said:
I'm not sure where you're going with this, because you're saying something I never said.

And your post seems like you're taking me as disagreeing with you - when I've tried to help you and wished you well, and continue to try to reply to points in the thread to be helpful to anyone reading.

Your comment:
Did I say that the SNS products gave me prostatitis? No. Could I say it? I could.

^^^ I didn’t know what you were taking. My comment about a supplement being unlikely to cause prostatitis, but that they may aggravate an existing condition was about supplements in general.

You can say what you want to – it doesn’t make it correct.

Let’s use me as an example:

• I have an autoimmune condition that I was diagnosed with in 2011 – was I taking prescriptions in 2011? Yes. Was I taking supplements in 2011? Yes. Did either of them have anything to do with my autoimmune condition? No.
• I get sinus infections a lot because I have bad allergies. Do I take prescriptions? Yes. Do I take supplements? Yes. Are they to blame when I get a sinus infection? No.

I hope you can see my point there – that just bc something happens when you’re taking something doesn’t mean it caused it.

Your comment:
Today, being constantly made to feel attacked is exhausting. Freedom of expression, as long as it’s expressed respectfull, is always valid, no matter what.

^^^ I have no idea what you’re talking about or going through that’s making you feel that way because I haven’t seen anyone here attack you. I know that I wasn’t – my posts towards you were meant to help you and anyone else reading that may be trying to learn.

Your comment:
I also said, I have a bottle of cloma-plex waiting to be opened, so do am I trusting sns? Looks like, right?

^^^ I never said you mentioned anything about any particular company. I didn’t even know what you were taking. I also never said that you said anything negative about our products.

There was never even anything in my discussion in this thread with you that was related to our products. The only product I mentioned to you was BB536 and I mentioned the ingredient, not the brand I bought it from.

Your comment:
I know perfectly well that you don’t want any health issues to be discussed in a forum where you’re promoting your supplements, in this case, Tongkat Ali. I wasn’t born yesterday.

^^^ The post of mine that you quoted was literally me discussing what to look out for with Tongkat Ali supplements. So I don’t understand how you can say that.

You also may or may not know, but I wrote a huge post years ago about the importance of Tongkat Ali not only being standardized for certain constituents but about the method in which it was standardized – you can find my posts discussing that years ago before Tongkat even got as popular as it is now.

You can also find posts from me since it did get so popular warning people of using reckless dosages of generic raw materials because there was no constituent consistency and because they extraction methods may not be done correctly.

You can also find a long post I made explaining something similar about the different types of Ashwagandha years ago and cautioning people on only using KSM-66 or Sensoril (that was before Shoden even existed). That was about a year before the Indian government did a press release warning of basically what I had discussed.

There have been multiple ingredients that people have asked for over the years in the Tell Us What You Want From Us threads that I’ve explained that we wouldn’t use or offer because of potential health risks associated with them.

I’ve had at least three different company owners complain about me over the years for being too truthful when it comes to ingredients on here. And nothing I ever discuss with ingredients is meant to be disparaging towards any particular company, its to safeguard consumers and help educate consumers.

I post here to help people. AM isn’t active enough to be a big ‘business’ thing for me. I post here because I enjoy helping people, have posted here for over 20 years, and try to do my part to keep the place active and going.

Your comment:
I spent hundreds of dollar in your company and I can give my opinion and my thoughts.
^^^ I want to emphasize again that I didn’t even know what products you were talking about, and no one ever said not to give your opinions.

You seem to have it in your mind that I took you as saying something negative about our products, when I didn’t even know what you were taking. My reply would have been the same because it was about facts and ingredients – regardless of the brand you were taking.

You've had an uncharacteristically negative attitude in this thread to begin with. I chalked it up to you going through what you're going through and hurting, which can make anyone not themselves. I have always liked you and tried to help you, and actually always enjoyed our conversations, so no idea where the negativity towards me is coming from.

I wish you the best and hope that you get better soon. If you wish to discuss further, you have my contact info.

One last thing - and this is me trying to help you - if I were you, I would try thinking about every single thing I use that touches my body, especially my privates – soap, body wash, lotions, lube, condoms (if applicable), I even know someone whose partner was on the NuvaRing birth control and it caused him to have UTI’s. None of those is likely to give you prostatitis, but they can absolutely aggravate the heck out of it if it’s something you’re sensitive to.

Good luck man and I hope some of the info winds up being helpful.

 

[DaveMcNaul]

I think that we have some miscommunication here &/or that you have some preconceived perception of something that isn’t the case.

This thread was originally about Prostate Support XT, and I replied to the thread answering questions about the product. As the conversation turned to prostatitis, I tried to offer helpful information as its something I’ve had myself in the past – and mine was unique bc it happened when I was in my 20’s – so I had hoped that by sharing my experience, it may help someone else one day.

I didn't take anything as negative towards me until your last post where you quoted my post and it seemed like you were trying to say that I said something that I never said.

I didn't even understand why you were saying what you said in your last post - because you quoted me and made it out like I was saying things that I didn't say - which I clearly explained in my reply. Including saying that I didn’t understand where you were going with what you were saying directed at me (which I took directed at me bc you quoted me).

• You made a post in the thread that when your problems started, you were on some natural muscle builders.
• My very first reply to you was trying to be helpful to you and anyone reading and what I stated are facts, not opinion:
  • The statistics related to prostatitis.
  • That just because we experience something while taking a supplement doesn’t mean it’s the supplements fault, especially when it’s such a common problem.
  • It’s highly unlikely that a supplement will cause it, but whether a supplement can aggravate it or exacerbate it can vary by the person.
  • I was trying to be helpful by saying that it stood out to me that you said that you felt better on vacation and may want to mention that to your doctor.
• In my second post, I agreed with you on some of the things that you said and said that one of the things you said was what I meant – about it being more likely that something would aggravate something than actually cause it. (I said it, you said it, so I thought we agreed on it).
  • And a major point I was trying to emphasize its that it’s important to not blame a health issue on the wrong thing (anything) because it may keep a person from finding the actual cause, which if environmental, isn’t going to change unless you know to change it, which is going to make the situation recurring.
  • I also mentioned a probiotic that helped my stomach after a doxycycline course – which we don’t make, and I suggested it to help you bc its inexpensive and worked better for me than several much more expensive ones I tried before it.
• I took it that you understood what I meant because in your next reply, you replied back about you had thought about that (the environmental part) and thought about it possibly being a bidet or the water supply in your area.
• Apparently, you thought we were having some type of negative back and forth, when I thought I was trying to help you and that we were agreeing.
• Which is why it surprised me when you quoted a reply of mine that wasn’t even to you and replied to it – and it seemed like you were saying I said things that I didn’t’ say or even say anything close to.
  • My post you quoted was actually about me explaining things to watch out for with Tongkat Ali, which you ironically then accused me of in your last post not wanting anyone discussing – when I was the one providing details on what to watch out for.

You said:
You take everything in a negative way—you always d, and you think this or any comment might harm your business. My words are mine. Where did I say that you said anything?

^^^ You’re the one that quoted my post and typed all of that out directed at me.
Why would I take it as directed at me? Because you quoted me.

You said:
I’m speaking for myself. In another one of my posts, I even THANKED YOU for your supportive words.

^^^ Yes, which is why I didn’t realize there was a problem. I was participating in discussion and trying to post information that would be helpful to people following along or reading in the future.

You said:
At this point, I don’t even know how to write on this forum without you feeling attacked. We’re talking about our own experiences, not about businesses.

^^^ Nothing about any of my posts in this thread have been about business, other than answering direct questions about our product. The only actual product in this thread that I said anyone should look into was telling you that BB536 as a single ingredient helped me a lot after a doxycycline course and I told you that because I spent 49.99 and 59.99 on two probiotics that didn’t help and the one that wound up helping cost less than 20 bucks and is NOT one of our products.

There was nothing about any of my posts that was attacking you. I thought we were having an informative conversation until the post you made quoting me and talking about natural supplements, etc.

And I didn’t reply back to that negatively, I even said that it seemed like you were taking me as disagreeing with you when I wasn’t. Copy and paste of what I said:
I'm not sure where you're going with this, because you're saying something I never said.

And your post seems like you're taking me as disagreeing with you - when I've tried to help you and wished you well, and continue to try to reply to points in the thread to be helpful to anyone reading.

Your comment:
Did I say that the SNS products gave me prostatitis? No. Could I say it? I could.

^^^ I didn’t know what you were taking. My comment about a supplement being unlikely to cause prostatitis, but that they may aggravate an existing condition was about supplements in general.

You can say what you want to – it doesn’t make it correct.

Let’s use me as an example:

• I have an autoimmune condition that I was diagnosed with in 2011 – was I taking prescriptions in 2011? Yes. Was I taking supplements in 2011? Yes. Did either of them have anything to do with my autoimmune condition? No.
• I get sinus infections a lot because I have bad allergies. Do I take prescriptions? Yes. Do I take supplements? Yes. Are they to blame when I get a sinus infection? No.

I hope you can see my point there – that just bc something happens when you’re taking something doesn’t mean it caused it.

Your comment:
Today, being constantly made to feel attacked is exhausting. Freedom of expression, as long as it’s expressed respectfull, is always valid, no matter what.

^^^ I have no idea what you’re talking about or going through that’s making you feel that way because I haven’t seen anyone here attack you. I know that I wasn’t – my posts towards you were meant to help you and anyone else reading that may be trying to learn.

Your comment:
I also said, I have a bottle of cloma-plex waiting to be opened, so do am I trusting sns? Looks like, right?

^^^ I never said you mentioned anything about any particular company. I didn’t even know what you were taking. I also never said that you said anything negative about our products.

There was never even anything in my discussion in this thread with you that was related to our products. The only product I mentioned to you was BB536 and I mentioned the ingredient, not the brand I bought it from.

Your comment:
I know perfectly well that you don’t want any health issues to be discussed in a forum where you’re promoting your supplements, in this case, Tongkat Ali. I wasn’t born yesterday.

^^^ The post of mine that you quoted was literally me discussing what to look out for with Tongkat Ali supplements. So I don’t understand how you can say that.

You also may or may not know, but I wrote a huge post years ago about the importance of Tongkat Ali not only being standardized for certain constituents but about the method in which it was standardized – you can find my posts discussing that years ago before Tongkat even got as popular as it is now.

You can also find posts from me since it did get so popular warning people of using reckless dosages of generic raw materials because there was no constituent consistency and because they extraction methods may not be done correctly.

You can also find a long post I made explaining something similar about the different types of Ashwagandha years ago and cautioning people on only using KSM-66 or Sensoril (that was before Shoden even existed). That was about a year before the Indian government did a press release warning of basically what I had discussed.

There have been multiple ingredients that people have asked for over the years in the Tell Us What You Want From Us threads that I’ve explained that we wouldn’t use or offer because of potential health risks associated with them.

I’ve had at least three different company owners complain about me over the years for being too truthful when it comes to ingredients on here. And nothing I ever discuss with ingredients is meant to be disparaging towards any particular company, its to safeguard consumers and help educate consumers.

I post here to help people. AM isn’t active enough to be a big ‘business’ thing for me. I post here because I enjoy helping people, have posted here for over 20 years, and try to do my part to keep the place active and going.

Your comment:
I spent hundreds of dollar in your company and I can give my opinion and my thoughts.
^^^ I want to emphasize again that I didn’t even know what products you were talking about, and no one ever said not to give your opinions.

You seem to have it in your mind that I took you as saying something negative about our products, when I didn’t even know what you were taking. My reply would have been the same because it was about facts and ingredients – regardless of the brand you were taking.

You've had an uncharacteristically negative attitude in this thread to begin with. I chalked it up to you going through what you're going through and hurting, which can make anyone not themselves. I have always liked you and tried to help you, and actually always enjoyed our conversations, so no idea where the negativity towards me is coming from.

I wish you the best and hope that you get better soon. If you wish to discuss further, you have my contact info.

One last thing - and this is me trying to help you - if I were you, I would try thinking about every single thing I use that touches my body, especially my privates – soap, body wash, lotions, lube, condoms (if applicable), I even know someone whose partner was on the NuvaRing birth control and it caused him to have UTI’s. None of those is likely to give you prostatitis, but they can absolutely aggravate the heck out of it if it’s something you’re sensitive to.

Good luck man and I hope some of the info winds up being helpful.

I have not any negativity in my comments or any other kind of attitude. I can guarantee you 100%.

When I quoted you it is not because “you said something”, is because I want to say something about what you said.

Even in my actual condition with a lot of discomfort in my stomach due to the antibiotic, I’m not even close to be mad or upset about it.

 

[sns8778]

I have not any negativity in my comments or any other kind of attitude. I can guarantee you 100%.

When I quoted you it is not because “you said something”, is because I want to say something about what you said.

Even in my actual condition with a lot of discomfort in my stomach due to the antibiotic, I’m not even close to be mad or upset about it.

I'm not mad or upset either - so hopefully we can agree it was miscommunication.

What confused me about the post of mine that you quoted was that it wasn't something that related to our conversation, and I wasn't saying that natural equated safe - I was actually talking about the importance of standardization.

I saw that you had asked others what they had taken for stomach, but even before that, I had mentioned BB536 in one of my posts to you because of how bad the doxy courses I had to do for my eyelid issue upset my stomach. This is the one that I used - https://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item01622/bifido-gi-balance I took 1 cap in morning and 1 cap before bed and it made a big difference within a week.

 

[DaveMcNaul]

I'm not mad or upset either - so hopefully we can agree it was miscommunication.

What confused me about the post of mine that you quoted was that it wasn't something that related to our conversation, and I wasn't saying that natural equated safe - I was actually talking about the importance of standardization.

I saw that you had asked others what they had taken for stomach, but even before that, I had mentioned BB536 in one of my posts to you because of how bad the doxy courses I had to do for my eyelid issue upset my stomach. This is the one that I used - https://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item01622/bifido-gi-balance I took 1 cap in morning and 1 cap before bed and it made a big difference within a week.

I know it was a misunderstanding, I also know that it is not easy to “talk” in a forum, we mixed a lot of different things.

Thank you for your recommendation I’ll definitely buy this, the thing is I’ll maybe need another antibiotic because my right tonsil/ear are bothering me since the last two weeks, this is a never ending story, the frustration is just too much.

Sorry if I said something wrong, I’m not sleeping well, it is not an excuse, I don’t feel emotionally agitated but it is what it is, frustrating.

 

[Beau]

I've seen positive feedback towards utilizing L-glycine before bed. I believe 3 grams prior about an hour prior to bed has been shown in study to reduce nightime nocturia. I've tried it myself and find that it pushes back my need to get up to urinate by an hour or two, which sometimes can be a negative as I tend to have trouble getting back to sleep after 5-6 hours of sleep which is often where the glycine leaves me. If I more or less eliminate my post dinner time fluid consumption I can make it through the night without needing to get up to urinate, but I find I feel a bit dehydrated in that situation so it's a balancing act.

I use 3+ grams Glycine per night, along with a few other supps (including Glutamine, Creatine, Taurine, and Magnesium Glycinate). It helps with sleep duration.

 

[Austin118]

I use 3+ grams Glycine per night, along with a few other supps (including Glutamine, Creatine, Taurine, and Magnesium Glycinate). It helps with sleep duration.

I was taking magnesium, it made no difference to my nocturia unfortunately, i wake cause my bladder feels inflamed at night, wrecks me for the whole day to be honest

 

[DaveMcNaul]

I was taking magnesium, it made no difference to my nocturia unfortunately, i wake cause my bladder feels inflamed at night, wrecks me for the whole day to be honest

Did you try d-manose?

I had your bladder symptoms, like pain in that area, I only felt relief when I pee (30 min after pee).

I been taking d-manose and I think it helped.

- day 22 of the doxycycline cycle and and I felt better today (I had sex and I don’t see the typical symptoms of prostatitis that I used to have) please GOD I hope this is the beginning of the end of the problem.

Ask your doc about doxycycline.

 

[Austin118]

Did you try d-manose?

I had your bladder symptoms, like pain in that area, I only felt relief when I pee (30 min after pee).

I been taking d-manose and I think it helped.

- day 22 of the doxycycline cycle and and I felt better today (I had sex and I don’t see the typical symptoms of prostatitis that I used to have) please GOD I hope this is the beginning of the end of the problem.

Ask your doc about doxycycline.

I got some d mannose with cranberry so will give that a try, but yes if im not getting better will ask doctor if can do doxycycline, i still get terrible back pain and cold chills which sucks

 

[Austin118]

I use 3+ grams Glycine per night, along with a few other supps (including Glutamine, Creatine, Taurine, and Magnesium Glycinate). It helps with sleep duration.

Any Glycine supps you can refer?

 

[DaveMcNaul]

I got some d mannose with cranberry so will give that a try, but yes if im not getting better will ask doctor if can do doxycycline, i still get terrible back pain and cold chills which sucks

Yeah, I had same back pain and chills too.

 

[Beau]

Any Glycine supps you can refer?

I just bought bulk Glycine powder. Unless I am buying from SNS, almost everything is in bulk powder.

 

[Beau]

I was taking magnesium, it made no difference to my nocturia unfortunately, i wake cause my bladder feels inflamed at night, wrecks me for the whole day to be honest

I have better results from Mag Glycinate that I do from other forms, just FYI.

 

[Beau]

Did you try d-manose?

I had your bladder symptoms, like pain in that area, I only felt relief when I pee (30 min after pee).

I been taking d-manose and I think it helped.

- day 22 of the doxycycline cycle and and I felt better today (I had sex and I don’t see the typical symptoms of prostatitis that I used to have) please GOD I hope this is the beginning of the end of the problem.

Ask your doc about doxycycline.

Different plumbing I realize - but when my wife was having UTI issues, she used D-Manose, a standardized Cranberry extract and a product called Fem Flora - and that great results.

 

[Austin118]

Different plumbing I realize - but when my wife was having UTI issues, she used D-Manose, a standardized Cranberry extract and a product called Fem Flora - and that great results.

I have d mannose and cranberry! Gonna give it a go along with prostate support xt

 

[Austin118]

I'm not mad or upset either - so hopefully we can agree it was miscommunication.

What confused me about the post of mine that you quoted was that it wasn't something that related to our conversation, and I wasn't saying that natural equated safe - I was actually talking about the importance of standardization.

I saw that you had asked others what they had taken for stomach, but even before that, I had mentioned BB536 in one of my posts to you because of how bad the doxy courses I had to do for my eyelid issue upset my stomach. This is the one that I used - https://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item01622/bifido-gi-balance I took 1 cap in morning and 1 cap before bed and it made a big difference within a week.

Steve whats the update with LIBIDO XT? ive been waiting for this one for like forever

 

[sns8778]

Steve whats the update with LIBIDO XT? ive been waiting for this one for like forever

The formula has been done for awhile on this one.

It didn't get released last year as planned bc of the tariff situation and how that would have impacted the price of it. It's a very loaded formula and I don't think that people would have wanted to pay for it what it would have cost to make during that time period.

Right now, we've been focused on getting inventory levels back to where they need to be from all the supply chain issues last year. I'm going to try to squeeze it into production as soon as I can.

 

[max silver]

I use 3+ grams Glycine per night, along with a few other supps (including Glutamine, Creatine, Taurine, and Magnesium Glycinate). It helps with sleep duration.

I've been sleeping much better recently. I had suspicions that were recently verified that an androgenic topical product that I recently discontinued was messing with my sleep as I've had none of the mid evening waking issues where I can't get back to sleep. I've continued with the 3 grams of glycine along with 1.5 grams of l-serine and I've been sleeping great for the last 3 weeks or so.

 

[max silver]

Any Glycine supps you can refer?

I'm using Now Foods glycine powder. It's interesting stuff as I was initially wondering if it was mislabelled as it looks and tastes like sugar. The l-serine I'm also taking is also sweet and slightly tangy and it makes taking the two products an absolute breeze compared to most powdered single ingredient supplements.

 

[sns8778]

I'm using Now Foods glycine powder. It's interesting stuff as I was initially wondering if it was mislabelled as it looks and tastes like sugar. The l-serine I'm also taking is also sweet and slightly tangy and it makes taking the two products an absolute breeze compared to most powdered single ingredient supplements.

I can confirm that Glycine tastes sweet. It's one of the few ingredients that can actually help to use it when working on a flavored powder. We're working on a nighttime sleep aid with it in there now, and had to adjust some of the flavor ideas around the sweetness of it.

 

[Danksta710]

What effect has it made for u you?

Better stream and less pain overall.

Just wait.
I have a bottle of halo elite (eucommia) and cloma-plex, and I’m not planning to use it until I feel better.

Are you guys doing something for the gut health? Because of the antibiotics…

I started fermented cabbage from costco, yogurt skyr (I always been eat this).

I eat sauerkraut about 5 times a week. I drink 4oz of kombucha in the morning on an empty stomach.

I always thought I had decent gut health based on my bowel movements but recently realized it's much more complicated. The probiotics have fixed the acne I was dealing with and seems to be keeping prostatitis flare ups under control.

Kombucha seems to be the king of fermented foods. Very impressive stuff.

 

[Resolve10]

Ya glycine is supposed to look and taste like sugar. Maybe that is why so many protein products tasted great back when there were issues of protein spiking (often glycine was used for this purpose).

 

[Beau]

I've been sleeping much better recently. I had suspicions that were recently verified that an androgenic topical product that I recently discontinued was messing with my sleep as I've had none of the mid evening waking issues where I can't get back to sleep. I've continued with the 3 grams of glycine along with 1.5 grams of l-serine and I've been sleeping great for the last 3 weeks or so.

I have been intending to add Serine as well.

 

[DaveMcNaul]

Better stream and less pain overall.



I eat sauerkraut about 5 times a week. I drink 4oz of kombucha in the morning on an empty stomach.

I always thought I had decent gut health based on my bowel movements but recently realized it's much more complicated. The probiotics have fixed the acne I was dealing with and seems to be keeping prostatitis flare ups under control.

Kombucha seems to be the king of fermented foods. Very impressive stuff.

I tried kombucha before but I felt like it was to acidic for me, maybe I should started drinking less kombucha, going little by little.

What benefits you have with kombucha?

Thanks

 

[Danksta710]

I tried kombucha before but I felt like it was to acidic for me, maybe I should started drinking less kombucha, going little by little.

What benefits you have with kombucha?

Thanks

The synergy brand is what I've been using and I didn't notice it being too acidic. I was surprised first thing in the am didn't cause any stomach discomfort. I think 4oz is enough and pretty easy to get down.

Better bowels pretty quickly. Improved mood.

 

[poison]

Synergy gives me a weird mental buzz immediately. I like it.

 

[DaveMcNaul]

The synergy brand is what I've been using and I didn't notice it being too acidic. I was surprised first thing in the am didn't cause any stomach discomfort. I think 4oz is enough and pretty easy to get down.

Better bowels pretty quickly. Improved mood.

Damn I was in wholefoods today and I forgot to buy it.

I bought a lot of kefir, today is my last day of doxycycline.

 

[mase1]

Any updates?