SNS Prostate Support
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Austin118
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sns8778
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@poison posted a great link above to read more about Prostate Support XT and feedback on it.
We've had a lot of good feedback from people with overactive bladder that have used it and its helped them.
We've had good feedback too from people with prostatitis but we have to be careful the way we go about talking about that since that is considered a medical condition.
Austin118
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Of course, im gonna start it and see how it goes as i got a bottle, if it works will be a long time staple hopefully
DaveMcNaul
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Prostatitis is really complex, I’m in my 17 doxycycline cycle of 30 days. Even you don’t give possitive in some bacterias test, it doesn’t mean that the bacteria is not hidden and living in your prostate. I was negative in everything. If this does not work, next step is check into the urethra with a camera.
I have no idea if a supplement is going to help, I’m taking quercetin, looks like it helps with this kind of issues.
Also the pelvic floor therapy helps with the blood flow of the area.
What do you feel?
I have no idea if a supplement is going to help, I’m taking quercetin, looks like it helps with this kind of issues.
Also the pelvic floor therapy helps with the blood flow of the area.
What do you feel?
Austin118
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Pain in my tailbone and groin area, abdominal pain and bladder pain, lower back pain, nocturia which is juat getting worst, everything feels very dysfunctional down there, urgency which i never use to have, my OAB is 10 times worst, doctors gave me trimethoprim for a week didn't do nothing, then nitrofurantoin to see if it was a uti still nothing
Weird thing is if i have sex/ejaculate all of the above stops and im normal and pain free
Austin118
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Also to add to it just had an ultrasound of my prostate, im 42 its 25CC my PSA is 0.87
My prostatitis started when i took Pollen extract thinking it could help with my overactive bladder, it inflamed the hell out of my bladder, since then i develooed prostatitis - i had cold chills and a fever and horrendous lower back pain, my blood test showed elevated white blood cells but also getting blood in the urine ( which has stopped)
I took Ginseng the other day and its again made my bladder worst, not feeling hopeless though! I can get better its just finding something that helps
My prostatitis started when i took Pollen extract thinking it could help with my overactive bladder, it inflamed the hell out of my bladder, since then i develooed prostatitis - i had cold chills and a fever and horrendous lower back pain, my blood test showed elevated white blood cells but also getting blood in the urine ( which has stopped)
I took Ginseng the other day and its again made my bladder worst, not feeling hopeless though! I can get better its just finding something that helps
LeanEngineer
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One of the essential long term staples imo!
Austin118
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Yeah the nocturia is brutal, first time i woke up twice last night, im seriously exhausted so anything that stops me waking up i"ll take, annoying thing is i just dont understand how i can have BPH symptoms yet have no enlarged prostate
Austin118
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Do you take it long term yourself? Im hesitant on being herbs longer then 4 weeks, i always find after the 4 week mark my body tells me to cycle off in a weird way
DaveMcNaul
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When all of my problems started was when I was taking some natural muscle builder supplements.
max silver
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I've seen positive feedback towards utilizing L-glycine before bed. I believe 3 grams prior about an hour prior to bed has been shown in study to reduce nightime nocturia. I've tried it myself and find that it pushes back my need to get up to urinate by an hour or two, which sometimes can be a negative as I tend to have trouble getting back to sleep after 5-6 hours of sleep which is often where the glycine leaves me. If I more or less eliminate my post dinner time fluid consumption I can make it through the night without needing to get up to urinate, but I find I feel a bit dehydrated in that situation so it's a balancing act.
LeanEngineer
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Yes i do. For me I don't see any concerns with long term use of it and my body does not act negatively to it.
Austin118
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Ok good to hear
Austin118
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Steve it says 4 capsules daily, however do you need to take these on empty stomach or with meal?
Danksta710
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I think the upcoming probiotic from SNS would be worth looking into for those with prostatitis. I've been eating sauerkraut everyday for the past 5mo and have been flare up free this whole time. I was living on antibiotics, having 2-3 flare ups a year.
Prostate Support with the upcoming probiotic could help many of us dealing with this imo.
Prostate Support with the upcoming probiotic could help many of us dealing with this imo.
Austin118
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Im not surprised, i read up leaky gut can causes prostatitis! I have IBS for 20 years, my brother got prostatitis from having a leaky gut ( that was his doctor saying that)
sns8778
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You can take them with a meal or on an empty stomach.
You can take 2 caps twice per day or 4 caps once per day, whichever you prefer.
Austin118
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Thank you, even if i dont have BPH i have terrible stream, lets see what this can do
max silver
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That sounds like a chicken/egg scenario. You suffer from a flareup from prostatitis, get prescribed antibiotics for the issue, damage your gut lining, and then open yourself to even more prostatitis flareups after the antibiotics destroy your healthy gut flora. I suffer from leaky gut myself alongside mild IBS-C and I suspect that antibiotic usage in my 20's for prostatitis is likely what triggered this cascade in myself. My prostatitis was very likely not caused by bacteria as I was using M1T at the time and was suffering from prostate inflammation. One of my greater regrets in life was touching M1T in the first place as that stuff was basically poison and led to several long term issues that I'm still saddled with decades later.
DaveMcNaul
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Sorry about that.
Bacteria can hide very well in the prostate, which often leads to taking an antibiotic (like doxycycline) for a month. You might do urine or semen tests and still get negative results, since the bacteria often doesn’t show up.
I’ve seen a lot of people improve with pelvic floor therapy. I’ve done a few stretches myself, but I need to be more consistent.
It’s obvious there has to be a cause, and it makes me suspect external factors (like some medication or supplement) or constant tension in that area.
When my symptoms started, I don’t remember having any stomach issues or taking antibiotics. I just remember being more anxious and taking several supplements, including tongkat ali and a few others.
I guess every case is different, and each urologist has their own approach. In my case, my third urologist was the one who diagnosed prostatitis, the others said it was urethritis. It turned out to be prostatitis. When he examined me, it was quite uncomfortable, and he said the prostate was inflamed.
I also remember, when I had less symptoms where when I was on vacation, two weeks in the beach, I felt great.
max silver
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I'm happy I don't have the prostatitis issue as that was more transient in nature that subsided once I came off of external androgens and had a chance to heal up.
DaveMcNaul
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Good for you.
Probably it is the cause of mine, no idea which supplement gave me this, but I have a list of things what I used, I will avoid them (also the brands) forever. I have no idea if they spiked this natty supps with something else or maybe they are too naturally too strong.
sns8778
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I read back through all of your posts in the thread before posting this reply.
A couple thoughts:
- I doubt that anything natural is 'too strong' in the sense that it could give you prostatitis.
- Sometimes its tempting to blame things that we are doing/taking at the time for things that happen at the time, but prostatitis is the most common urological issue for men under 50 in the US. If I remember correctly, around 10% of men (so 1 in 10) will have symptoms that qualify for diagnosis and some studies suggested that up to 50% of men would have some type of symptoms of it during their lifetime.
- Just because we experience something when taking a supplement or medication doesn't necessarily mean that it caused the problem. Sometimes it's just coincidence.
- As you said, most prostatitis is bacterial - so not sure how you link that to a supplement - it could be if a brand wasn't doing proper microbial testing, but that wouldn't have anything to do with the ingredients itself, but with the lack of quality controls.
- Saying that you felt better at the beach on vacation - that is a red flag to me about something - if you haven't mentioned that to your doctor, I would make sure to do so bc that makes me think it could be linked to something environmental.
Austin118
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Mine happened after taking LIFE EXTENSION Pollen, literally set my bladder in flames and since then ive had prostatitis, even my urine showed had elevated white blood cells and blood in my urine, doctor still said it was god damn normal, semen and urine showed no bacteria, however still have symptoms, so frustrating
max silver
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I don't think mine was from natural products as I was a real SOB to my prostate in my mid 20's. I used a lot of stimulants like ephedrine, yohimbine, cycled androgens occasionally and also enjoyed recreational drugs. I was able to start recovering from the prostate issues once I took it easy on my body and found some natural supplements that helped. I think at the time the product that helped my prostate the most was beta sitosterol although it did a bit of a number on my libido.
DaveMcNaul
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@maxsilver
Everything is this life is possible.
That tk100 altered my hormones and hormones and prostate are related.
I felt more aggressive, more sensitive, more alpha, also more jacked, with this feeling “on something”.
Who knows, the most important thing is fix this problem.
I definitely will try beta sisterol
Everything is this life is possible.
That tk100 altered my hormones and hormones and prostate are related.
I felt more aggressive, more sensitive, more alpha, also more jacked, with this feeling “on something”.
Who knows, the most important thing is fix this problem.
I definitely will try beta sisterol
Austin118
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Also my Semen was yellow for a while with horrid smell, wh
I hear so much about BETA SITOSTEROL on all forums, whenever i hear someone has prostate problems BETA SITOSTEROL majority of the times work, im a use prostate xt first ( hopefully thats all i need)
DaveMcNaul
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Sounds like an infection to be honest.
Austin118
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Yeah thats what i thought, had cold chills, fever, horrid, back ache, elevated white blood cells but cause. My urine and semen came back with no bacteria ( ended up doing the test for both when things calmed down) doctor was like no infection
sns8778
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Definitely sounds like there was an infection.
I had those symptoms my first go round with it too and tested negative for any bacteria.
sns8778
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I had thought about including Beta Sitosterol in Prostate Support XT because it is commonly talked about for prostate issues, but the reason I didn't is because the science isn't as good on it as some of the other ingredients and some people have to use extremely high dosages of it which would have made the capsule count really high to have added. Plus, I try to avoid using soy allergens in supps.
I figured go with the most scientifically solid and then if people wanted to add Beta Sitosterol, they always could.
sns8778
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Was it the one with Graminex?
Prostatitis can definitely be frustrating because you can have all the symptoms of it and test negative for it. That's part of where when you look at the percentage of males that get it there can be conflicting percentages because some statistics are based off it being confirmed by bacteria and some are based on the percent of men that show symptoms of it.
sns8778
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I think that you make a great point there - I think for a lot of people, it isn't so much one thing as years of different things that make us more susceptible to many things.
The first time I ever had an issue with it was after a stone when I was younger and I've had a few flareups/issues since then and one common theme with mine is periods of a lot of carbonated beverages.
Austin118
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Yes triple strength prostapollen with graminex, i could be allergic to pollen? Although when Summer is here and high pollen count doesnt do anything to me so dont know....
Pollen Extracts | Prostate Health | Life Extension Europe
The blend of pollen extracts in Triple Strength ProstaPollen has been researched and found to support prostate health and function, benefiting men of any age.
www.lifeextensioneurope.co.uk
Literally set my bladder on fire, also if you want to update the formula in future.... Look into Varuna bark, it is Very good really reduced my nocturia when i was onit, as i have an overactive bladder i use to get burning in my bladder, cloudy urine and foamy urine, Varuna reduced that very nicely and also increased my flow to be better!
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DaveMcNaul
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The problem with prostatitis is the theory, I found some forums talking about pelvic floor issues instead of having a bacteria (5-10% of the cases are produced by a bacteria when you ask google)… The misinformation is brutal, and when I debate this with a family medicine doctor, he mention the possibility of having pelvic floor issues instead what the three different urologist said, a bacteria hidden in the prostate.
It is so frustrating to be in this position, because all test came negative, and it is obviously that the prostate is inflamed and boggy, irritating discomfort to the penis.
This is my fourth attempt to fix this problem, if I cannot fix it, the last option is introducing a camer
If there’s one thing I know, it’s that every case can be very different. But there’s one thing that isn’t debatable: the symptoms. You know you didn’t feel this before, and now you do.
The doctors I’ve seen had fairly similar opinions, except for the last one. After examining my prostate, he felt inflammation. He was very confident in himself and in the treatment I need. If it doesn’t work (he believes it’s bacterial prostatitis), the only option left would be to insert a camera into the urethra.
I can’t guarantee that the supplements I’ve taken are free of side effects or that they weren’t mixed with other substances—neither possibility is impossible. That said, they may not have caused the problem, but they could have made it worse.
Every time I have sex or masturbate, my urethra gets irritated, I can even see some redness around the tip. So is this a mechanical irritation issue, or is it coming from inflammation caused by a bacterial infection in the prostate? It’s not 100% clear. What I do know is that I’m not cured after trying three different antibiotics. Now I’m on the last one, which is the standard protocol: one month of doxycycline, 200 mg per day split into two doses. After this, if it doesn’t resolve, the only option left is the camera in the urethra. On day 22, I don’t feel any improvement.
There’s a lot of misinformation on the internet. You’ll even see claims that only 5 and 10% of prostatitis cases are bacterial, and that the rest are due to pelvic floor issues. What they don’t say is that at my age, the chances of it being pelvic floor related are very low…
At the end of the day, only one thing matters: a person’s suffering. Everything else is just speculation.
sns8778
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Yeah, I mentioned that in another post - that there seems to be confusion or a breakdown on how they diagnose something being prostatitis versus someone experiencing the symptoms of prostatitis - and for the person that is experiencing it, its all semantics bc they just want to get better.
I'm sorry to hear that you're dealing with all of that. I hope that you can get answers.
You said:
I can’t guarantee that the supplements I’ve taken are free of side effects or that they weren’t mixed with other substances—neither possibility is impossible. That said, they may not have caused the problem, but they could have made it worse.
^^^ Agreed, and that's what I meant. While a supplement ingredient is unlikely to directly cause prostatitis, there may be some that could aggravate it or make it worse.
You said:
one month of doxycycline, 200 mg per day split into two doses. After this, if it doesn’t resolve, the only option left is the camera in the urethra. On day 22, I don’t feel any improvement.
^^^ Completely off subject, just making a helpful suggestion. I was on doxy for multiple 30 day periods because of a condition with my eyelids. Months later, I started having stomach issues related to it. It threw me off at first because it took awhile. In my case at least, after trial and error of probiotics not helping, it was actually a fairly inexpensive on that did. Single ingredient BB536.
You said:
There’s a lot of misinformation on the internet. You’ll even see claims that only 5 and 10% of prostatitis cases are bacterial, and that the rest are due to pelvic floor issues. What they don’t say is that at my age, the chances of it being pelvic floor related are very low…
Absolutely. The problem with information now days is so many things have an agenda and its harder and harder to know if what you're reading is true anymore. I do agree - at your age, I don't think its pelvic floor related.
One thing that did stick out to me that you mentioned was it being better on vacation - I would mention that to my doctor if I were you and think really hard about if there were any differences such as different soap, cleaning chemicals, etc. Even something as simple as you sit a wash rag on the tub that has been cleaned using cleaner XYZ and then wash your penis, it could have something in it contributing to irritation. As someone that suffers from allergies and reactions to a lot of random stuff, I just wanted to suggest that thought process bc there's no other reason I can think of that it would have been better on vacation.
sns8778
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Yes triple strength prostapollen with graminex, i could be allergic to pollen? Although when Summer is here and high pollen count doesnt do anything to me so dont know....
Pollen Extracts | Prostate Health | Life Extension Europe
The blend of pollen extracts in Triple Strength ProstaPollen has been researched and found to support prostate health and function, benefiting men of any age.
Literally set my bladder on fire, also if you want to update the formula in future.... Look into Varuna bark, it is Very good really reduced my nocturia when i was onit, as i have an overactive bladder i use to get burning in my bladder, cloudy urine and foamy urine, Varuna reduced that very nicely and also increased my flow to be better!
The reason I guessed Graminex was that at one time we were asked to use that ingredient a lot and when I started looking into it, I came across a few cases of people that said it caused them issues rather than helped. I think I mentioned that a few years back in one of the Tell Us What You Want from Us threads.
It is possible that you are allergic to or have a sensitivity to something specifically in that type of pollen, and sensitivities internally don't always carry over to nasal allergies.
Thanks for the suggestion. Prostate Support XT is so loaded with ingredients that the only way we could add anything would be to increase the number of capsules per day unfortunately.
DaveMcNaul
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About your last part, yes, I was thinking in a possible contamination from a bidet, also the water in this area is so bad and other options. My doctors said nope about this, but like I said, “nothing is impossible in this life”, I have some theories, another one is e.coli.
The vacation was helpful but I been in another trips and I had the symptoms, maybe less pronounced because you are chilling and enjoying so your mind is not focused on the health issue at all.
The prostate examination was painful, even 5-6 days after of that, I felt it, so the inflammation is there…
Yeah, the antibiotics is giving me some kind of stomach issues, some burn in my esophagus and I feel more tired than usual, also the sun sensitivity is not good.
Thank you for your kind words, when you are dealing with something, sometimes we cannot think clearly about life in general because our non stop overthinking.
Danksta710
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I went the urlogist route. Painful af and something I will never ever do again. Before this my Dr not only prescribed antibiotics but ordered an ultrasound. That found nothing. So off I went to this areas "top" Uro. They poked and prodded me and didn't tell me anything the Dr didn't. Total waste of time, money and discomfort.
I went back to my Dr and we rotated antibiotics over the year. I tried a lot and the only one I request now is Bactrim. Doxy is too weak. Cypro caused terrible mental sides.
I take graminex 3x a day and feel it helps. I can see how it would not work for some tho. Probably tied to allergies. I've been without and notice a difference. Less pain and better stream with it in the mix.
Still too early to confirm my results but I do think building a healthy gut has prevented flare ups this year. I've spent years fighting this issue and this has been the best year so far.
My Dr said I have chronic prostatitis but I don't agree and think my gut may have been the root. Many Dr's seem to be happy with giving you a bandaid. "Antibiotics are working for you, why spend more time on this". No thx, I'd rather find the root than use antibiotics 2-3 times a year.
I think mine started from a catheter in the hospital a long time ago. If I had leaky gut, that is where the bacteria came from and where it went. Finally feel like I may have figured mine out. So now I'm researching other strains and coming up with a plan to build a community of bacteria to prevent this and other issues.
I also do vacuums daily and feel improving the pelvic floor helps but is no cure in itself.
I went back to my Dr and we rotated antibiotics over the year. I tried a lot and the only one I request now is Bactrim. Doxy is too weak. Cypro caused terrible mental sides.
I take graminex 3x a day and feel it helps. I can see how it would not work for some tho. Probably tied to allergies. I've been without and notice a difference. Less pain and better stream with it in the mix.
Still too early to confirm my results but I do think building a healthy gut has prevented flare ups this year. I've spent years fighting this issue and this has been the best year so far.
My Dr said I have chronic prostatitis but I don't agree and think my gut may have been the root. Many Dr's seem to be happy with giving you a bandaid. "Antibiotics are working for you, why spend more time on this". No thx, I'd rather find the root than use antibiotics 2-3 times a year.
I think mine started from a catheter in the hospital a long time ago. If I had leaky gut, that is where the bacteria came from and where it went. Finally feel like I may have figured mine out. So now I'm researching other strains and coming up with a plan to build a community of bacteria to prevent this and other issues.
I also do vacuums daily and feel improving the pelvic floor helps but is no cure in itself.
Austin118
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I have IBS myself and suffer from alot of Candida issues, i was drinking loads of KEFIR at one point that really reduced my overactive bladder to the point it was manageable daily and didnt have to worry about it, then i took pollen supplement with graminex and it obliterated me, my OAB started when i got a horrible case of Oral Thrush at the same time, wondering if the two could be linked but doctor says highly doubt it
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mase1
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A lot of gear info going on here. As I age things go side ways to me... use to love lj100 and now it irritates my prostate where I have to half pee constantly.... cheaper test boosting ingredients also seem to have that affect. Like single ingredients from week known amazon seller. I just think I'm trying to figure all over again what my prostate can handle. Blah
Austin118
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Yeah i took tongkat after, made my prostate issues worst, i stick to ashwagandha and thats it! Have the exact same issues as you, when i was younger my body love test boosting, when i hit 36 my body responded more sensitivity and now supplements hit harder
Shockingly i came across a post on another forum, many people take tongkat end up with prostate issues, not everyone but seeing alot of men talk about tongkat giving prostate issues kind of makes sense, as we get older our androgen/hormones get more sensitive and tongkat is pretty potent
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DaveMcNaul
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I could be the possibility of having the inflammation issue and the tongkat make it worse.
You know your body better than anyone here, I also believe in this possibility.
Danksta710
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Sorry to hear that formula obliterated you. I had looked at it myself long ago and for whatever reason went with the more basic swanson one.
Austin118
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Only one i havent heard negative things about is swedish flower pollen! I got a bottle, but unfortunately till i get better i will not touch
Danksta710
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Austin118
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What effect has it made for u you?
DaveMcNaul
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Just wait.
I have a bottle of halo elite (eucommia) and cloma-plex, and I’m not planning to use it until I feel better.
Are you guys doing something for the gut health? Because of the antibiotics…
I started fermented cabbage from costco, yogurt skyr (I always been eat this).
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