Rocket3015
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Hopefully it will do the trick !!
SNS Elite Curcumin - The New Generation in Curcumin Supplementation Intro Thread
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Hopefully it will do the trick !!
sns8778
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I hope that it will help you. I look forward to hearing your feedback.
Congrats on the wedding btw.
sns8778
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Curcumin, especially the advanced types, have a lot of potential benefits. Thanks for posting that.
WhatsaBench
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I am a fan of SNS supplements and currently have a bunch open that I am taking, that being said I have not looked into what the research says on curcumin following the fradulent studies being retracted.
sns8778
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Thank you, I'm glad that you're a fan of our products.
Curcumin in general is one of, if not the most researched herbal ingredient in the world with literally thousands of studies having been performed on it for dozens of different potential benefits.
I think that its very important to note that the 'fraudulent studies' issue that you mention was back in 2012 and pertained to one specific researcher and studies that he conducted between 1999 and 2009, mostly relating to anti-cancer benefits; and it should be more aptly described as 'alleged fraudulent studies' because if you read the full details of it, it was stated that the threshold of information has become more and more strict to be published in certain publications and that in re-examining some of his work, it may have not been so much that it had anything to do with 'fraud' as that it may have had to do with stricter standards of evaluation, especially when cancer was involved.
I think that it is also very important to note that since then, pretty much everything that this one researcher had found and presented that had come under scrutiny and review has since been found and re-confirmed over and over by many different researchers in many different countries with no connections to the original researcher or the university that he worked for.
Curcumin is overhyped and overpromoted by many marketing companies that sell supplements but that doesn't take away from how great of an ingredient it is and that it has tons of data and research to back it up, as well as a lot of real world feedback.
Elite Curcumin's write up goes into detail on just that - the research, what the product does, and what makes it unique.
WhatsaBench
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That is a great response, thank you. Like I said I have not looked into how much data there was without his studies. I also appreciate that you responded given that it seems like this issue is being ignored in supplement circles.
sns8778
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I don't think that the issue was ignored at all. If anything, I think it was over-sensationalized and blown completely out of proportion by people that were looking to get click bait headlines and views. I think that the reason that it's ignored now is because it should be ignored now because it's irrelevant.
It's irrelevant now for a lot of reasons, but here are the main ones that stand out to me:
- It involved one researcher at one university - Bharat B. Aggarwal at MD Anderson Cancer Center in Texas.
- The researcher had zero connections to the supplement industry.
- The researcher profited zero dollars from the particular studies.
- The researcher is/was an established researcher in the field of cancer research.
- Almost all of the studies in question were related to Curcumin's potential as treatment or as a cancer preventative - a far cry from the joint health and mobility, cardiovascular, and cognitive benefits that people normally would take a product like Elite Curcumin for.
- The researcher was never found guilty of fraud and was not disciplined that I know of by his place of research.
- Very significantly, his place of research was MD Anderson Cancer Center in Texas, one of the leading cancer research facilities in the world; so this was not some shady research facility., this was a worldwide recognized one, which leads back into what I was saying nothing shady having gone on so much as the studies being disregarded for reasons such as just newer stricter standards in publication, etc.
- He is not, never was, and never claimed to be a leading researcher on Curcumin.
- To put this in context, if you removed every single one of his studies that even mentioned Curcumin, it accounts for less than 1% of total Curcumin studies.
- Most importantly, pretty much everything he said in those studies has been re-confirmed and found to be true over and over and over again by researchers all over the world.
"Dr. Aggarwal's was not the only group within MD Anderson that did research on Curcumin.
Also, his findings were no different than any other findings about curcumin in other groups, universities and institutions around the world. He first reported the anti-inflammatory potential of curcumin and this has been reproduced elsewhere."
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If this post comes off as irritated, I am - but I want to specify that it is not at you, it's at the subject because I hate things to be sensationalized, taken out of context, and people vilified because of accusations &/or agendas.
Therefore, let's dive a little deeper and explore what is so commonly left out of just about everything now days - the context and the truth.
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What were these supposed 'alleged fraud' allegations anyway?
This is comically something that people miss about this whole thing - the supposed fraud was image manipulation. Yes, that's right, image manipulation, as in some images in slides appearing to be exaggerated; NOT some nefarious 'fraud' where a study was manipulated or the wrong results were represented.
Important note - context:
Most or maybe all of his studies that were reviewed relating to Curcumin were related to its anti-inflammatory effects and benefits in relation to cancer; which has absolutely nothing to do with why people should be taking Curcumin supplements to begin with.
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Again - Important Context:
- Researcher: Dr. Bharat B. Aggarwal (extremely decorated cancer researcher at an esteemed university)
- Type of research: Cancer Research (curcumin's potential benefits in treatment and prevention)
- Location: MD Anderson Cancer Center (world-renowned cancer research center)
Relevance to Elite Curcumin, this thread, and/or Curcumin as a dietary supplement: ZERO.
Dr. Bharat B. Aggarwal - Biography:
The primary interest of my laboratory is in the area of cytokines as regulators of tumor cell growth. The specific aims of our Cytokine Research section are as follows: (a) identification of novel antiproliferative agents that are specific to tumor cells and (b) investigation of mechanisms by which tumor cells develop resistance to cytokines and examination of methods to overcome this resistance.
In collaboration with Human Genome Sciences (Boston, MA), we identified several novel cytokines and cytokine receptors that are members of the TNF and TNF receptor superfamily, respectively. We also discovered that genes regulated by the transcription factor NF-kappaB may play a major role in resistance to apoptosis induced by TNF and certain chemotherapeutic agents. Since NF-kappaB also regulates the genes involved in tumor proliferation and metastasis, we demonstrated that several known anticarcinogenic agents are potent inhibitors of NF-kappaB activation. Our results also indicated that the early steps in the pathway leading to apoptosis and NF-kappaB activation overlap.
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Period of time:
I want to emphasize again that this was nothing recent; this was literally 10 years ago, in 2012 and related to studies done from 1999 to 2009 if I'm not mistaken; years before most of the modern day relevant research was even done on curcumin.
Why is the time period of this significant?
For two reasons:
- Scientifically - this was a period where many journals were reviewing things and taking out many studies; as mentioned above, it had more to do with more strict and stringent guidelines for publication rather than any outright fraud.
- Media sensationalism - their had just been all the hoopla over resveratrol studies having been taken out of context so mainstream media and also some industry news publications were dying to find the next subject to get them more hits and views; so basically, it was hip at that time period to make a big deal about things like this.
^^^^ I think that its unfortunate that people jumped straight to accusing a researcher of 'fraud' literally without acknowledging that the scientific journals that excluded some of the individuals studies themselves stated that it could have been due to the age of the studies and their (the journals) standards for publication had become stricter and more stringent over the years.
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He was also the perfect target because he is/was a legitimate doctor that believed in and had devoted his life to the powers of research and medicine but also believed in the power of natural alternatives to help in addition to medicines and for people that didn't respond to the medicinal approaches or wanted to avoid those. I never read where he ever once said to not take a medicine or treatment regimen, but instead he said he believed in telling people the truth about natural alternatives that could help in addition to those treatments and/or for people that wanted to avoid traditional medicine because of spiritual or lifestyle beliefs.
^^^ Basically a doctor that bucked the trend at the time and said things that made him a target and it seemed to put him in the crosshairs to be nit picked over a lot of things that would otherwise may or may not have been reviewed, but if they were, wouldn't have been considered newsworthy.
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Interesting (or at least I thought so):
Do you know why this researchers name has gotten brought up again in recent years and why it may sound so familiar?
Because he is a tremendously credentialed researcher and specialist and because of his work on cytokines, his works have been very widely discussed and cited in relation to Covid research.
kjscatch
Well-known member
1 month of Elite Cucumin. I didn't really notice anything until a week ago. Not sure if it takes time to build up or not. I always gauge things based on my injuries. My left shoulder (labrum) and right ankle (chronic arthritis from 4 surgeries/staph/bone infection from 15 years ago. Man that was a long time ago!) feel better than they have for awhile. My ankle especially. I limp on a daily basis. My co workers are the ones who notice that I am walking more normal lately. Funny how it hurts more when I think about it. Shadow pain is real...lol.. I wish I could afford to take both Curcumin and Joint XT as my knees still take awhile to warm up but felt amazing on Joint XT. I am not sure which one I like better but Elite Cucumin is definately a winner as well.
sns8778
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Thank you for sharing.
Elite Curcumin starts working fairly quickly for most people but the results do get better with time so I would say that you're on track with it being around week 3 that you started to tell a difference with the older chronic injuries.
We should have Joint Support XT back in stock within the next couple weeks and I'll do some type of combo pack to help on the price for people that do want to be able to take them both together.
Rocket3015
Legend
Always looking out !!
Hyde
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sns8778
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I really wish I could like this post twice!
Thank you. I really appreciate that.
Brocodeout69
Member
@sns8778 I've been using all of the SNS Baseline products for my essential staples for years.
Your quality of product is fantastic, and most importantly, your products are very cost effective.
I've been using another Curcumin product over the past few years to help reduce inflammation, specifically a mildly dilated aorta, so I'll have to give your product a try. SNS is definitely a brand I trust.
I'll report back on how I'm feeling in the next month or so.
Your quality of product is fantastic, and most importantly, your products are very cost effective.
I've been using another Curcumin product over the past few years to help reduce inflammation, specifically a mildly dilated aorta, so I'll have to give your product a try. SNS is definitely a brand I trust.
I'll report back on how I'm feeling in the next month or so.
sns8778
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I really wish I could like this post twice!
I don't think many people realize how much of my life I put into researching ingredients for products like Elite Curcumin, and maybe that's my fault because I don't make a big deal out of it or try to get attention like so many industry personalities do - but that's because I have no interest in being an industry personality; my passion in life is helping people, its what I dedicate most of my life to, inside and outside of this industry. And to me, helping people through supplements is a way to do that.
That's why my focus is providing well researched, well formulated formulas that can help people at prices that people can afford; even when that means taking a very low margin on our end - because to me, if people I'm trying to help can't afford to use a product, then it isn't accomplishing my main goal - helping people.
I get told all the time that we have too many products, that I need to focus more on hype and marketing, that I need to raise prices on many things, and that I over-formulate and under price products - and its true, maybe I am a bad business person in the sense that I don't make the best financial decisions for myself and the companies first, but that's because my personal values in life are about helping people.
It's unfortunate that in today's industry and in today's world that having a passion to help people and do things the right way is considered bad for business and hurts sales - in the sense that we'll never have the marketing budget to compete with certain companies because we formulate very comprehensive products (high ingredient costs) and don't have elaborate markups to avoid the advertising that many do. I have for years hoped that more of the general market would see these things about us and recognize and appreciate them and it would help more people become aware of us. Some days I still have the hopes of that, some days I'm very discouraged and worried it'll never happen.
Sorry for rambling for a moment, but it was leading to the issue above about the post about the 10 year old 'alleged curcumin fraud allegations' that were posted in our product introduction thread. I'm not upset at the person for posting it because he acknowledged that he hadn't looked into it a lot - but that was kind of the point - people like that researcher can devote their lives to cancer research and be accused of being a fraud bc of images were considered exaggerated in some studies - the media can then do their sensationalism BS and convince people that somehow has anything to do with the reasons that people commonly use curcumin for anyway, and then that can steamroll into potentially negatively affecting the perception of Elite Curcumin, but there's what I call marketing brands that just happen to sell supplements that put hundreds of thousands of dollars a month into curcumin ads and will sell more of just one or no branded ingredient formulas in a month than we'll sell of an industry first multi-branded ingredient curcumin product in a year or more.
I literally put years and probably hundreds of hours of research into the development of Elite Curcumin - which included scratching one original ingredient option bc I didn't feel like it added up and then having one branded ingredient company have a childish immature hissy fit because after they approved labels and labels were printed they decided they didn't want their ingredient to be used with competing ingredients (who I could have sued but wouldn't have been worth it) but cost me money in graphics and labels and a long time in re-formulation delays. But overall I'm glad that it worked out that way because I feel that CurcuPrime is a much better ingredient than theirs was and it came out during that time, so it all worked out.
But point being that all that work can go into something plus writing a hugely detailed and informative write up and then wind up feeling like all the time I put into it got overlooked because of a media sensationalistic headline from 10 years ago that even at the time if it had objectively been looked into would have been seen that it had nothing to do with the reasons that people normally would be taken curcumin supplements for.
Brocodeout69
Member
Nicely said. I appreciate the fact that you're willing to sell staples for great prices, even at the potential cost of your own margins.
Honestly, and for what its worth, I prefer to buy my bulks/staples from a brand I trust, like SNS, rather than some Chinese company selling inferior products on Amazon. I'd even be open to paying more to keep that resource going!
sns8778
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Thank you. I really appreciate the kind words and support.
Your post shows up in the thread before my above post does but I didn't see it yet when I was typing that one because I was typing mine during the time that yours posted. I just wanted to mention that because yours does mention some of the things that I discussed in that post about our goal being to provide top quality products at cost effective prices- and I really appreciate that.
I'm glad to hear that the Curcumin product that you've been using has helped you. I hope that Elite Curcumin will help you as much or more than it has.
I truly believe that Elite Curcumin is the best curcumin product on the market for a lot of different reasons - 3 branded versions in one product, 2 absorption enhancers, the addition of Nigella Sativa, and more - and we offer it at a price than a lot of companies sell just one branded ingredient version for because I want everyone that can be helped by it to be able to afford it.
I look forward to hearing your feedback on it.
Rocket3015
Legend
I hope you type very fast it would take me all day to answer one question !!
sns8778
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I do type fast, but that's still one of the things that can be frustrating sometimes is having to put so much time and detail into some types of posts on issues that really shouldn't relate to a particular thread, especially intro threads. Most brands just report anything negative or that could detrimental in an intro thread but I try to acknowledge everything and in this case, I don't think the person that posted it meant anything negative, he just happened to have read an old news article and never really looked further into it and the it happened to have nothing to do with the thread and that needed to be clarified that that entire situation and supposed issue with the researcher was totally out of context and was sensationalized to be about 'Curcumin' when it was really about Curcumin as it specifically pertains to cancer research - which is irrelevant to this thread.
It's one of the reasons that I step back from posting on here in general sometimes is it can take up hours out of the day and I'm already so behind at life and trying to catch up at things since the accident.
Rocket3015
Legend
We do appreciate your detailed answers !!
sns8778
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sns8778
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Rocket3015
Legend
Don't sleep on this folks!!
Rocket3015
Legend
I wanted to post this a few week ago but life got in the way. @sns8778 had sent this to me back when I was having a lot of joint pain. I have been using it on my shoulder joints and knees and I really did feel relief.
These are some of the benefits for XPG CurcuPrime:
CurcuPrime™ Gel Highlights/Supports:
I can personally tell you the Natural Anti-Inflammatory Support is the real deal. The spot reduction in pain in defiantly there, but also the overall benefits of Curcumin will circulate through out the body. Give it a try for Spot Pain Reduction and overall Better Health and Fitness !!
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These are some of the benefits for XPG CurcuPrime:
CurcuPrime™ Gel Highlights/Supports:
- Natural Pain Relief Support
- Relief of Aches and Pains
- Increased Flexibility and Mobility
- Natural Anti-Inflammatory Support
- No Orange Staining as Commonly Associated with Some Curcumin Products
- Branded CurcuPrime™ Tetrahydrocurcumin for Purity and Potency
I can personally tell you the Natural Anti-Inflammatory Support is the real deal. The spot reduction in pain in defiantly there, but also the overall benefits of Curcumin will circulate through out the body. Give it a try for Spot Pain Reduction and overall Better Health and Fitness !!
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sns8778
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Elite Curcumin and CurcuPrime make a great stack for people that want to add a topical Curcumin product. I'm really glad that you're enjoying it.
Rocket3015
Legend
If the doctor gives me the OK on Monday to start training again, I'm breaking the Ab Solved out !!
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Ab-Solved is a great product. I'm getting ready to start back on it Sunday myself.
Rocket3015
Legend
I couldn't wait I did some ab work this morning and applied Ab Solved after my shower !!
sns8778
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I think you're going to love it. You're a lot leaner than me and much more regimented on your training and diet, so the effects should be really noticeable for you.
aaronuconn
Well-known member
We’re heading out of cold season, but one more piece of literature supporting curcumin (Theracurmin in this study), and in this instance, at reducing days of cold symptoms.
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sns8778
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Thank you. That's a great study.
I think Elite Curcumin is awesome and its what I use personally, but for people that like Theracurmin specifically, we will be releasing Theracurmin XT very shortly. Maybe beginning of the week. It's here and I've just been waiting to launch it.
Rocket3015
Legend
Steve, in you opinion is one better than the other ?
sns8778
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I like Elite Curcumin because it has 3 different clinically researched forms of curcumin.
Some people respond differently to different ones and have to try many different individual ones to find which is best for them, so Elite Curcumin takes the guesswork out of it because instead of having to buy different ones separately and try, it allows one to get them all in one product.
However, Theracurmin is very popular. I initially hesitated to do one because I didn't want to confuse people, but in the general health market, there is demand for a Theracurmin product and honestly, the companies providing it are absolutely taking advantage of the situation and overpricing the crap out of them. So, for me, I want to be able to offer it to people that want it and at a good and fair price.
In the initial post in this thread, the section titles 'The Curcumin Conundrum' and then the 'Why 3 types' I go into some details about how companies can argue which form of curcumin is better, but it really can depend on the individual and which works best for them - and that was the premise behind Elite Curcumin - taking the guesswork out.
Overall, I'm happy with the way Elite Curcumin sells but disappointed it doesn't get more talk and attention here on AM.
aaronuconn
Well-known member
I’ve had a stash of Theracurmin I’ve been working through, glad to hear I can convert to Thermacurmin XT (or Elite Curcumin of course) when it’s gone
aaronuconn
Well-known member
I’ve been curious how people are dosing? Both caps away from a workout, splitting the dosage AM/PM, etc
Stopstalking2
Member
I know this was to Hyde but wanted to say I’ve been on it since it came out, and I was dealing with a ton of shoulder pain and It is completely gone. This is a staple for me now. Even getting extra curcumin now that I’m taking Kidney support Xt as well
Stopstalking2
Member
I’ve been taking 1 am and 1 pm for several months now
tenorguy33
Member
I do one with breakfast and one with dinner to keep it easy. I workout early morning before breakfast every other day. Not super concerned with the anti-inflammatory effects of the curcumin affecting training.
aaronuconn
Well-known member
I try to keep supplemental anti-oxidants/anti-inflammatories away from workouts as a general rule of thumb, but when it comes to curcumin, the negative effects of potentially (key word, potentially) interfering with the recovery process probably aren’t “make-or-break”.
Stachio
Member
1 and 1 w/o food.
sns8778
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I don't think that there is even any potential for curcumin to negatively impact workout results.
To each their own, but I think that some people overcomplicate and overthink the crap out of stuff like that imo.
Hyde
Legend
Well, we do know NSAIDs do blunt the hypertrophy response significantly. So the theory is other anti-inflammatories can also inhibit the normal stress response.
BUT, we also know that if you don’t train, you will seriously not make any progress, so I tell people don’t take Ibuprofen etc periWO unless it’s the difference between you making the session or not, but if it comes down to that then do it. Doing the exercise is much more important.
sns8778
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I take 1 capsule in the morning and 1 capsule in the evening/nighttime.
I hope to be able to start back doing some light training within the next month and my plan is to do cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach and then my lifting in the evenings. Both will be around timing of my curcumin doses and I personally think that's fine.
sns8778
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I agree with that about NSAIDs but I think some people take it to extremes worrying about it with basic antioxidants like Vitamin C and Curcumin and things like that.
For example, a good curcumin supplement you're hoping that it will be absorbed efficiently and stay in your system; that's why I'm a fan of dosing being spaced out 8 to 12 hours apart. So by that theory, since you're wanting it to stay in the system anyway, I think that worrying about dosing based around workout times isn't as big of an issue as with NSAIDs.
sns8778
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Thank you for sharing. I'm so glad that its been able to help you.
Elite Curcumin is a great product and I don't think it gets nearly enough attention here on AM.
Jeremyk1
Well-known member
Yeah I think I’ve seen there’s some research showing things like Vitamin E and NAC can decrease training adaptation. But then I think there’s also research showing vitamins C and E actually support muscle growth in the elderly. So there may be a difference in context. Overall, it’s not something I’ve ever worried too much about. Some antioxidants support nitric oxide levels and are common in pump formulas, and you sure as heck don’t see people saying their NO supps are killing their gains.
sns8778
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I agree. I think its one of those things that even if people were doing things 100% correctly (which none of us ever are) then it likely still wouldn't provide a real world difference in benefits. I sometimes joke that the stress response from worrying about it likely causes more detriment to results than the antioxidants to themselves haha.
I see some people going to the extremes of not even taking antioxidants because of it and its like - come on guys, if they prevent just one minor sickness a year, you probably lose more results and progress from being sick than they'd hold you back from even if the theory behind it was true.