Smoking Steroids

sideshow83

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I have always wondered this. Would it be possible to smoke steroids to get the chemicals directly to your lungs and thus your bloodstream? or would the chemical structure change from being burned?
 
It was either Epi or DMT, but one of those compounds was shown to have degraded upon the application of heat.
 
WTF? Is this real? Steroids, under heat, actually break down into completely different compounds in most cases.
 
Just how much heat? While "smoking" in the traditional sense might not work, "vaporising" just might...

MB
 
Depends on the compound they're all different. I guess this also would depend on how hot a lighter gets too. I believe most compounds need pretty high heat to breakdown and a lighter may not reach that. Also another thing here is, with methylated orals they already have 100% bioavailability - hence the methyl. So there's no way to increase absorbtion anyhow.
 
Correct on the methyls... but if we can deliver things with a water vapor base instead of a methylated base, imagine the stress that would be saved on the liver? No vaporizer uses a lighter (except some portable ones), and many have temperature control of some sort, so this might be a bit more viable than originally thought.

MB
 
Yeah good point on saving the liver. But I wonder then how bad the stress would go from your liver to your lungs if smoked.
 
again, I'm not talking about smoking. With vaporisation, there is no flame, no combustion, and therefore the potential for zero carcinogens. It is kinda like a nebulizer unit used by asthmatics, but instead of a cold vapor it is a heated one. I must stress that there is no smoke/flame/combustion involved with vaporizing.

MB
 
ManBeast said:
again, I'm not talking about smoking. With vaporisation, there is no flame, no combustion, and therefore the potential for zero carcinogens. It is kinda like a nebulizer unit used by asthmatics, but instead of a cold vapor it is a heated one. I must stress that there is no smoke/flame/combustion involved with vaporizing.

MB
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smoke/flame/combustion is not the problem. It is heat that breaks down the compounds, no? I bet vaporizing some steroids would taste just fantastic, too.
 
who cares about taste? If you care about taste, you need a new hobby.

MB
 
I heard thats what transdermals are for.To get into your blood through your skin and not have to go through the digestion process.No one makes transdermal designers though.You can buy a formula where you just add the powder,but then you have to get the pure powder.I also heard that superdrol is useless to make into a transdermal for whatever reason.(I know some can get pure sd powder)
 
pantera101 said:
I heard thats what transdermals are for.To get into your blood through your skin and not have to go through the digestion process.No one makes transdermal designers though.You can buy a formula where you just add the powder,but then you have to get the pure powder.I also heard that superdrol is useless to make into a transdermal for whatever reason.(I know some can get pure sd powder)
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i know a place to buy finigenx and epi powders...
 
I believe that most orals won't work in a transdermal for the same reason they will work as orals. Is there a safe/easy way to remove the methyl group?

MB
 
I know that having an ester on the molecule makes transdermal impossible, and I also thought I saw that the methyl group used to make a compound orally available would also prevent it from working as a `dermal. I could just be getting it confused and it makes the methylation useless by using it in a transdermal.

MB
 
Thanks man.I seen all this stuff on old sites about transdermals.I don't remember what they were using though and it obvisouly hasn't caught on so.......
 
The whole dermal thing didn't catch on because it has a relatively low absorption in general and people didn't like paying for product that wasn't getting into their system.

Honestly, I'd rather do a dermal than oral... I see it as paying to keep my liver safe.

MB
 
The site I was reading was saying that it has a better absorption rate,and less is needed because of this.It was an old site though.I could of read this from someone selling a transdermal too,I think it was dermabolics actually.
 
ok, so i guess the methylation is wasted in a `dermal unless it is also what makes the compound behave the way it does as well.

MB
 
it still acts as a methyl but i believe methylation was used to improve oral bioavailability....so i would assume that a dermal with a methyl would be less effective im not sure tho.
 
I don't know if it would be less effective, but it might alter the way the compound works. For example D-bol is like Equipoise, but d-bol has a methylation. Same compound except for that, but they act very differently in the body.

MB
 
ManBeast said:
I don't know if it would be less effective, but it might alter the way the compound works. For example D-bol is like Equipoise, but d-bol has a methylation. Same compound except for that, but they act very differently in the body.

MB
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but putting a methyl in a dermal doesnt change its compostion, just the way it is introduced to the body....its still going to be the same compound.
 
Right, adding it to the dermal doesn't change it, sorry. I was confused there.

I should be researching if these things could be made available via inhalation, LOL.

MB
 
ManBeast said:
Right, adding it to the dermal doesn't change it, sorry. I was confused there.

I should be researching if these things could be made available via inhalation, LOL.

MB
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They used to make cyclo nasal sprays with stuff like 4ad. I wonder if any of the new stuff could be made that way?
 
The effort and cost of making a methyl into anything isn't going to be worth it, honestly.

The methylation was done for a reason - oral bioavailbility.


As far as finigenix - depends on the molecular weight. If it's too high - it won't pass through the dermis. I forget the number - maybe 300 g/mole - but there is an upper limit to the MW that is effective as a dermal.
 
No, not at all, in fact...
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:)

I just enjoy the challenge of a new idea sometimes as well :)

MB
 
thewrx said:
Wow, just wow! Afraid of needles are we?
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I have 1300 in tattoos,a 600 dollar one on my right ribcage(ouch!!),I pierced my nipple and eyebrows myself,had my eyebrows and lip done professionally.......Now I have no piercings.Shows how bad I wanted them in the first place.
 
jmh80 said:
The effort and cost of making a methyl into anything isn't going to be worth it, honestly.
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you can buy a bottle of transport matrix(transdermal solution)for either 9 or 15 dollars,depends on which size.Then you dump your powder into it.Not hard,not expensive.
 
I didnt mean to sound like an idiot, I was seriously asking is this a route of entry that no one has ever tried before and may be worth while. I thank the people who answered my question seriously because thats the way I meant it. I wont lie I smoke other things like its going out of style and I have always wondered if some chemicals can be absorbed into your blood stream through the lungs why can't chemicals like steroids.
 
pantera101 said:
you can buy a bottle of transport matrix(transdermal solution)for either 9 or 15 dollars,depends on which size.Then you dump your powder into it.Not hard,not expensive.
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And the point would be???

It's methylated for a reason. A dermal doesn't buy you sh*t - just costs you an extra $9 or $15 and is more of a pain to apply.
 
jmh80 said:
And the point would be???

It's methylated for a reason. A dermal doesn't buy you sh*t - just costs you an extra $9 or $15 and is more of a pain to apply.
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On the old sites I have read about,they were saying dermals were safer then orals,cause they don't have to pass through the liver.Like injectables vs orals.
 
the whole avoiding the liver thing is a HUGE benefit to dermal vs. oral.

MB
 
pantera101 said:
I have 1300 in tattoos,a 600 dollar one on my right ribcage(ouch!!),I pierced my nipple and eyebrows myself,had my eyebrows and lip done professionally.......Now I have no piercings.Shows how bad I wanted them in the first place.
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Well Pantera,you my friend are ready for 12 weeks of test suspension and tren ace:p
 
Well I don't know. :) Thats just what I was reading on an old discussion board.Mainly 1fast400,or whatever it is.I remember reading thinking how cool it is and that it should be catching on.Then I realised they were somewhat old.Dermals are a pain though.I used metacort before and started to get a painfull rash on my thighs.They also say that you need less substance with dermals.The forum and all of dermabolics dermals mention this.Don't know if it's true or not.Dermabolics could say it for sells.While the others could be saying it cause thats what they heard.Someone should post studies or something.Probably aren't any though.
 
vaping juice

ManBeast said:
Just how much heat? While "smoking" in the traditional sense might not work, "vaporising" just might...

MB
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has anybody looked into this? i know this is a 6 year old thread so i ask because im sure SOMEBODY has tried this...
its a new age and i think this would kickstart something amazing if it were to actually work. Not sure i want to be the ginuea pig though..
 
Holly ****, first you skinny ****ers are too scared to slam that 1.5" needle in your asses. So you take Orals. Now your trying to smoke/vap your Orals? Just take **** how it's intended. This is how **** gets put on the ban list. People ****in around taking **** the way it wasn't intended and dying.
 
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