Smoking Pot and AAS/PH use?

[jakellpet]

Personally, I see nothing wrong with smoking-out even though I don’t. It just makes little since to me to do something that does not help and could hurt muscle growth when on the sauce. When I cycle, everything I do is about maximizing the gains.

this is where I stand on the issue as well

 

[lciaccio]

a lil bud after my post workout shake always made a huge meal go down nice and easy. good for getting in those extra calories

 

[madgoat33]

Ive read that long term marijane usage can lead to short term memory loss and the development of mood disorders like bi-polar and schizsophrenia (sp?).

Lowered sperm counts, stored THC in bodyfat shows up in drug test for up to 30 days in your urine, over 90 in your hair and for up to 6 in your body fat.

Police will soon be conducting roadside drug testing, dont remeber what kind thos, sorry. Pot could ruin your life.

Mind you this is all from memory and if i am wrong i will blame pot, lol.

This isn't true at all. There were some "studies" that tried to link weed to mental disorders but they were all done to try to scare people. I'd like to qualify my post by telling you all that I don't smoke weed, so I'm not just mindlessly defending it.

 

[sportsbro21]

While THC is stored in body fat and will do so until all is metabolized, the standard cutoff point of 50 is actually pretty high. It is presumably that way to safeguard against false positives, The only way you are going to be above that cutoff is by actually ingesting thc, no amont of advil or any other rumored junk will give you a false positive.


Now marijuana is potentially useful if you are trying to bulk, because of it's obvious effects on appetite.

as we are a physically active bunch who are constantly stuffing our faces with food and pushing our bodies to the limit, we tend to have Very high metabolisms. Many of us have extremely low bodyfat and relatively high muscle mass. (FAST metabolism!)

Those things allow us to pass through much more crap than the average person.

at 10-15 percent body fat, you would need to smoke quite a bit in one lone sitting to be above the cutoff of 50 after just 4days.

Of course if you are a 40% fat sedentary blob of sloth who smokes tons, you can still test dirty after even 40 days.

So you see, the amount of time that thc remains traceable in urine is entirely related to the amount of fat on your body.

you can burn off about 18 ng/l per day at about 15% body fat, and probably around 22ng/l per day at 9 %.

and that is a rate that is declining very fast.

In 10 years we may see roadside testing become commonplace, but not now.

I wouldnt be worried about effects on estrogen.
Watch Terminator and tell me if you see any signs of elevated estrogen levels :thumbsup:

Now the drawbacks are that it makes us lazy, not want to do much. that is why i refuse to do it regularly. because when i do it, i dont do much of anything else that actually matters. i can do it and still lift and (eat), and a lot of other things, but i dont want to interact with people, and i cant find the motivation to do anything unless it yields some sort of instant gratification.

were you high when you typed this?
or does it not make sence because im reading it high?:think:

 

[Gunslinger27]

I adore smoking after my trainng and also before sleep. I feel weed helps my recuperation and I never felt any harmful efects after smoking.

 

[comacho]

I've been hearing about those studies for over a decade, supposedly raised estrogen is why pot smokers are less inclined towards physical aggression. If you asked me I'd say being sluggish, burned out and hungry has a lot more to do with it though. I view pot like I do soy and booze: IF it's estrogenic it's certainly not potent enough to give you issues within reasonable use. I wouldn't be afraid of a few beers or a glass of soy milk, but I don't drink alcohol often, don't use soy protein powders/shakes, and I don't smoke-out 12hrs a day every day like I used to as a kid, heh. Even on cycle I wouldn't be afraid of a joint or bowl because of estrogen. If you're seriously juicing (not just popping some weak otc 'designer') chances are you've got loads of estrogen floating around to the point where anything subtle like pot is merely adding a drop of water to a bucket. And if you're taking a Rx anti estrogen potent enough to control estrogenic sides from steroids, I'm sure they can handle the tiny spike a single smoke session may or may not cause. I do agree with you on principle though, If I'm serious enough about my athletic performance to juice, I'm not going to be smoking anything, for endurance's sake if nothing else.

well said bro

 

[EatMeat]

were you high when you typed this?
or does it not make sence because im reading it high?:think:

you might have been high, but i wasnt.
at least i dont think so. but after reading that post it is definetly not organized in a reader friendly way, but the info does make sense if read closely.

Translation is:
the cutoff for a positive test is 50ng/l. and is actually pretty high.

low body fat levels and fast rates of metabolism will allow you to clear THC from your system and pass a drug test much quicker than most people think is possible. it can be a matter of just a few days if you dont smoke all the time.

 

[Omen]

Can cannabis make you sterile?

Yes and no. This has been a persistent myth for over 40 years but it actually does have some basis in medicine. Basically the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, THC reduces lutenising hormone (LH) in the genitals.

LH triggers ovulation in women and is involved in sperm production in men. Result: a short-term (four to five hour) decrease in reproductive ability. Long term cannabis users, however, build tolerance to this effect and are immune. (1) 1. MARIJUANA and MEDICINE: Assessing The Science Base, pg 123

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The effects of cannabinoids on serum cortisol and prolactin in humans.
Ranganathan M, Braley G, Pittman B, Cooper T, Perry E, Krystal J, D'Souza DC.

Schizophrenia Biological Research Center, VA Connecticut Healthcare System, West Haven, CT, USA, [email protected].

BACKGROUND: Cannabis is one of the most widely used illicit substances, and there is growing interest in the therapeutic applications of cannabinoids. While known to modulate neuroendocrine function, the precise acute and chronic dose-related effects of cannabinoids in humans are not well-known. Furthermore, the existing literature on the neuroendocrine effects of cannabinoids is limited by small sample sizes (n = 6-22), heterogeneous samples with regard to cannabis exposure (lumping users and nonusers), lack of controlling for chronic cannabis exposure, differing methodologies, and limited dose-response data. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Delta-9-THC) was hypothesized to produce dose-related increases in plasma cortisol levels and decreases in plasma prolactin levels. Furthermore, relative to controls, frequent users of cannabis were hypothesized to show altered baseline levels of these hormones and blunted Delta-9-THC-induced changes of these hormones. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Pooled data from a series of laboratory studies with multiple doses of intravenous Delta-9-THC in healthy control subjects (n = 36) and frequent users of cannabis (n = 40) was examined to characterize the acute, chronic, and acute on chronic effects of cannabinoids on plasma cortisol and prolactin levels. Hormone levels were measured before (baseline) and 70 min after administration of each dose of Delta-9-THC. Data were analyzed using linear mixed models with +70 min hormonal levels as the dependant variable and baseline hormonal level as the covariate. RESULTS: At socially relevant doses, Delta-9-THC raised plasma cortisol levels in a dose-dependent manner but frequent users showed blunted increases relative to healthy controls. Frequent users also had lower baseline plasma prolactin levels relative to healthy controls. CONCLUSIONS: These group differences may be related to the development of tolerance to the neuroendocrine effects of cannabinoids. Alternatively, these results may reflect inherent differences in neuroendocrine function in frequent users of cannabis and not a consequence of cannabis use.

PMID: 19083209 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher

MATERIALS AND METHODS: Pooled data from a series of laboratory studies with multiple doses of intravenous Delta-9-THC in healthy control subjects

Yeah, Ok, I isolate certain compounds then get my syringe and inject it IV everytime.....riiiiight....(for the retards, I'm referring to the absorption rates between both.)

To those who say "Cannabis is bad" where did you get your data from? lemme guess!

You "heard" that Marijuana is bad, decreases testosterone, increases estrogen, makes you fat, lazy, stupid, causes cancer and WILL KILL 10,000 people! each time! EVERYTIME! more than 15,000 Nukes on Prime and Jacked!!! AT THE SAME TIME! O...M....G....!! :middle finger+rolleyes:

From the government, school, D.A.R.E. officers, friends, family, TV, etc.... mostly uninformed people and liars who have agendas, biases, etc....

Or did you REALLY, examine all the objective non-biased data(yes, all biased data, pro/against) or experimented with and decided it wasn't for you?

 

[jakellpet]

that's a good website. I used to be a heavy pot head back in the day. The reason I stopped was exactly this:

» I used to smoke pot quite a bit however I find lately that when I get high - I just get paranoid and edgy? Is it me?

We have had several emails about this subject. It seems that some people do experience a 'turning point' in their cannabis use when it ceases to become enjoyable and instead provokes paranoia, fear or other 'bad trip' type symptoms.

In a recent study, between 10%-15% of people who smoked cannabis reported "paranoid" or "confused" feelings as a disadvantage of smoking cannabis. And around 30% gave "negative experiences" as their reason for permanently quitting cannabis. (7)

It's not clear why this happens but rest assured, your experience is not unique. We are continuing to look into this and hope to find out more information.

 

[Omen]

that's a good website. I used to be a heavy pot head back in the day. The reason I stopped was exactly this:

Which is why I like that website, they report the truth not pro or against it.

Anything else you use with it even cigs, coffee, etc?

The majority of your settings, people with you, etc...?

I always wondered why some people get paranoid on pot, I just love sex and swimming at night when I smoke.

 

[jakellpet]

Which is why I like that website, they report the truth not pro or against it.

Anything else you use with it even cigs, coffee, etc?

The majority of your settings, people with you, etc...?

I always wondered why some people get paranoid on pot, I just love sex and swimming at night when I smoke.

No nothing like that. I just felt extremely isolated from everyone when stoned and couldn't handle anyone's company. Even watching tv or movies I used to over-analyse the plot until I couldn't really enjoy it. It also turned me into a chronic procrastinator, which effected my studies.

At first I thought it was the type of weed, the setting or company...nothing really changed so I stopped using it.

My brother still smokes....chronically. Has done so for 12 years and will continue to do so until the end he reckons. He's an angry SOB, and it chills him out.

Certain people suit certain drugs I believe.

 

[planetfuzz]

Can cannabis make you sterile?

Yes and no. This has been a persistent myth for over 40 years but it actually does have some basis in medicine. Basically the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, THC reduces lutenising hormone (LH) in the genitals.

LH triggers ovulation in women and is involved in sperm production in men. Result: a short-term (four to five hour) decrease in reproductive ability. Long term cannabis users, however, build tolerance to this effect and are immune. (1) 1. MARIJUANA and MEDICINE: Assessing The Science Base, pg 123

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MATERIALS AND METHODS: Pooled data from a series of laboratory studies with multiple doses of intravenous Delta-9-THC in healthy control subjects

Yeah, Ok, I isolate certain compounds then get my syringe and inject it IV everytime.....riiiiight....(for the retards, I'm referring to the absorption rates between both.)

To those who say "Cannabis is bad" where did you get your data from? lemme guess!

You "heard" that Marijuana is bad, decreases testosterone, increases estrogen, makes you fat, lazy, stupid, causes cancer and WILL KILL 10,000 people! each time! EVERYTIME! more than 15,000 Nukes on Prime and Jacked!!! AT THE SAME TIME! O...M....G....!! :middle finger+rolleyes:

From the government, school, D.A.R.E. officers, friends, family, TV, etc.... mostly uninformed people and liars who have agendas, biases, etc....

Or did you REALLY, examine all the objective non-biased data(yes, all biased data, pro/against) or experimented with and decided it wasn't for you?

Awesome post Omen. Marijuana could certainly help you be stupid and lazy but you'd probably be stupid and lazy if you didn't smoke. Smoking weed is just such an easy thing for dumb lazy people to do. If you are a driven and focused individual then you'll be a driven and focused smoker. Period.

 

[jakellpet]

Awesome post Omen. Marijuana could certainly help you be stupid and lazy but you'd probably be stupid and lazy if you didn't smoke. Smoking weed is just such an easy thing for dumb lazy people to do. If you are a driven and focused individual then you'll be a driven and focused smoker. Period.

watching tv, eating junk and breeding more dumb and lazy people is another easy thing for dumb and lazy people to do - they do it so well...


... but I digress - I think you are generalising a bit here. Personally I found that smoking pot removed my focus and drive, and by nature I am focussed and driven to the point of obsession.

 

[jakellpet]

Smoking out of a vaporizer is harmless.

incorrect - smoking out of a vaporiser is less harmfull than normal smoking, not harmless.

whatever floats your boat. Masterbation does it for me.

 

[planetfuzz]

watching tv, eating junk and breeding more dumb and lazy people is another easy thing for dumb and lazy people to do - they do it so well...


... but I digress - I think you are generalising a bit here. Personally I found that smoking pot removed my focus and drive, and by nature I am focussed and driven to the point of obsession.

I am the same exact way. When I focus on something I will obsess over it. I have actually considered quiting because I feel it might be affecting my focus. I also thought about it because I can feel my lungs being sluggish in the gym,especially if I'm smoked a lot the day before.

I also something feel like an idiot when I eat perfect all day and I smoke. Everything I do is revolved around being in the best health possible and eating as well as possible. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. I feel as though I am compromising.

Which is why I've decided to get a vaporizer. Sometimes I just need something to wind down,especially since I don't drink. Smoking out of a vaporizer is harmless.

I am sorry I posted that twice. I'm high. My bad.

incorrect - smoking out of a vaporiser is less harmfull than normal smoking, not harmless.

whatever floats your boat. Masterbation does it for me.

What is harmful about it? I'm actually curious. I've been trying to think if there was anything harmful with vaporizing. I mean...you're inhaling vapor.

 

[jakellpet]

I am sorry I posted that twice. I'm high. My bad.

You can always delete a post. Click on edit and have a look at the options.

What is harmful about it? I'm actually curious. I've been trying to think if there was anything harmful with vaporizing. I mean...you're inhaling vapor

I found this for you. While reduced, there is no 100% guarentees you've removed all the gunk. (I'm probably splitting hairs at these levels)

Vaporization is a technique for avoiding irritating respiratory toxins in marijuana smoke by heating cannabis to a temperature where the psychoactive ingredients evaporate without causing combustion.

Laboratory studies by California NORML and MAPS have found that vaporizers can efficiently deliver cannabinoids while eliminating or drastically reducing other smoke toxins.

Like tobacco, marijuana smoke contains toxins that are known to be hazardous to the respiratory system. Among them are the highly carcinogenic polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, a prime suspect in cigarette-related cancers. These toxins are essentially a byproduct of combustion, separate from the pharmaceutically active components of marijuana, known as cannabinoids, which include THC. Although there is no proof that marijuana smoking causes cancer, chronic pot smokers have been shown to suffer an elevated risk of bronchitis and respiratory infections. Respiratory disease due to smoking may therefore rightly be regarded as the primary physiological hazard of marijuana.

Cannabis vaporizers are designed to let users inhale active cannabinoids while avoiding harmful smoke toxins. They do so by heating cannabis to a temperature of 180 - 200° C (356° - 392° F), just below the point of combustion where smoke is produced. At this point, THC and other medically active cannabinoids are emitted with little or none of the carcinogenic tars and noxious gases found in smoke.

Many medical marijuana patients who find smoked marijuana highly irritating report effective relief inhaling through vaporizers. Users who are concerned about the respiratory hazards of smoking are strongly advised to use vaporizers. Alternative devices, such as waterpipes, have been shown to be ineffective at reducing the tars in marijuana smoke (Report).

 

[UnrealMachine]

You are splitting hairs, we don't need a 100% guarantee.

I just got a vape, only a 100$ model, you adjust the temperature to make it just hot enough to vaporize the THC. The hits it delivers are cool and smooth. You exhale a very faint vapor cloud, there's no smoke.

Anyway, why bash on weed for the "harmfulness" of the smoke when it's such a small factor and at least half the people on this thread are avid users of methylated orals. And I routinely stab myself with needles. The average danger factor you get just from driving a car is infinitely more than the danger factor from inhaling vaporized THC, it's just ridiculous to say it's dangerous when it contains only mild traces of what's found in the smoke.

Life is dangerous in many respects, but one thing I believe is that life is too short to live in fear.

 

[JKurz802]

You are splitting hairs, we don't need a 100% guarantee.

I just got a vape, only a 100$ model, you adjust the temperature to make it just hot enough to vaporize the THC. The hits it delivers are cool and smooth. You exhale a very faint vapor cloud, there's no smoke.

Anyway, why bash on weed for the "harmfulness" of the smoke when it's such a small factor and at least half the people on this thread are avid users of methylated orals. And I routinely stab myself with needles. The average danger factor you get just from driving a car is infinitely more than the danger factor from inhaling vaporized THC, it's just ridiculous to say it's dangerous when it contains only mild traces of what's found in the smoke.

Life is dangerous in many respects, but one thing I believe is that life is too short to live in fear.

Word...

 

[lciaccio]

there was a point when i was smoking before my workouts , but i was smoking all the time, it was maintenence. i just figure if ur spending alll the money on ph/aas, u mind as well be dedicated. i mean once in a while wont hurt tho

 

[angel77]

You are splitting hairs, we don't need a 100% guarantee.

I just got a vape, only a 100$ model, you adjust the temperature to make it just hot enough to vaporize the THC. The hits it delivers are cool and smooth. You exhale a very faint vapor cloud, there's no smoke.

Anyway, why bash on weed for the "harmfulness" of the smoke when it's such a small factor and at least half the people on this thread are avid users of methylated orals. And I routinely stab myself with needles. The average danger factor you get just from driving a car is infinitely more than the danger factor from inhaling vaporized THC, it's just ridiculous to say it's dangerous when it contains only mild traces of what's found in the smoke.

Life is dangerous in many respects, but one thing I believe is that life is too short to live in fear.

I second that. WORD!! I need a vaporizer. Where the hell would I find one that's not an arm and a leg?

 

[UnrealMachine]

I am a 5 minute walk from a smoke shop. That's California for you though.

 

[bigzach1234]

all these ppl that are claiming that there are studies with estrogen rising from marijuana use... please look at recent studies.. this has been disproven time and time again..
ppl dont understand alot of these studies are done by ppl that have certain agendas.. and once again.. for someone to claim that the uses of marijuana during a cycle gave them excess estrogen rather then blaming it on a suppresive anabolic compound is absolutely ridiculous... also this thread was not made to take a stance on whether smoking weed is good or not or if it is morally right or wrong..

 

[planetfuzz]

I second that. WORD!! I need a vaporizer. Where the hell would I find one that's not an arm and a leg?

The Vapolution is one of the best I've ever used. It's solid. It has a car charger. Glass on glass. 150 bucks. Well worth your money.

You are splitting hairs, we don't need a 100% guarantee.

I just got a vape, only a 100$ model, you adjust the temperature to make it just hot enough to vaporize the THC. The hits it delivers are cool and smooth. You exhale a very faint vapor cloud, there's no smoke.

Anyway, why bash on weed for the "harmfulness" of the smoke when it's such a small factor and at least half the people on this thread are avid users of methylated orals. And I routinely stab myself with needles. The average danger factor you get just from driving a car is infinitely more than the danger factor from inhaling vaporized THC, it's just ridiculous to say it's dangerous when it contains only mild traces of what's found in the smoke.

Life is dangerous in many respects, but one thing I believe is that life is too short to live in fear.

In Jackellpet's defense,I did ask if there were any side effects. I googled all I could and couldn't find anything. Thank you.