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Smash is Bulking: 1-test c/test e/test base/eq

smash1904 said:
It's cool seeing you join in, you were very incite full when it came to this stuff. Didn't you say this stuff gave you back pumps after awhile? I think you were running more per week... I'm sure heating it up would work just fine, but if its so difficult to hold wouldn't just adding a little guaiacol fix this? Did you have pretty bad pip from it too? Mine hasn't crashed in the vial but it has a really strong smell so I'm pretty sure it has guaiacol in it...
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I didn't get back pumps or PIP from it, which was surprising as that's almost a universal complaint about 1T. When mine crashed, it took ~30 mins of heating and shaking to get it to hold for a day or two. Every time I pinned it, I had to reheat and shake until I added in extra BB.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Oh man that sounds dope, I'm already on tren lol. U think 500mg a week would b good? That's what I've been reading.
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They say you can start at 300mg but I hadn't seen anyone running it that low and figured 400-450mg would be a better starting point. My logic was along the lines of sure you could run var at 40mg a day but you're not going to see much from that and it's almost wasteful so you might as well do 60-80mg.

Seems like people like 1-test at 600mg, and supposedly continues giving pros that outweigh the cons up to 1000mg a week. All the same I felt 450mg was a conservative starting point, so 500mg sounds fine to me. Are you talking about taking it with tren? Cause I was thinking of maybe adding low dose tren with it at some point in the future... Could be sweet.
 
Rodja said:
I didn't get back pumps or PIP from it, which was surprising as that's almost a universal complaint about 1T. When mine crashed, it took ~30 mins of heating and shaking to get it to hold for a day or two. Every time I pinned it, I had to reheat and shake until I added in extra BB.
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Hmmm well Ive dealt with the pip but the back pumps would be new for me, never really had them - I know taurine can help with that. You pretty used to short esters and what not? Well good to know what to do if it crashes...
 
smash1904 said:
They say you can start at 300mg but I hadn't seen anyone running it that low and figured 400-450mg would be a better starting point. My logic was along the lines of sure you could run var at 40mg a day but you're not going to see much from that and it's almost wasteful so you might as well do 60-80mg.

Seems like people like 1-test at 600mg, and supposedly continues giving pros that outweigh the cons up to 1000mg a week. All the same I felt 450mg was a conservative starting point, so 500mg sounds fine to me. Are you talking about taking it with tren? Cause I was thinking of maybe adding low dose tren with it at some point in the future... Could be sweet.
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I would run it with tren, I'm on 400mg of tren e now.
 
smash1904 said:
Hmmm well Ive dealt with the pip but the back pumps would be new for me, never really had them - I know taurine can help with that. You pretty used to short esters and what not? Well good to know what to do if it crashes...
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I've used NPP and Tren Ace. There's a lot of similarity between tren and 1T in terms of positive effects, but 1T is much lower of the negative sides. However, they both mess up your sleep and that alone is enough to make me now use them together. That and there's only so much that the receptors can use.
 
Rodja said:
I've used NPP and Tren Ace. There's a lot of similarity between tren and 1T in terms of positive effects, but 1T is much lower of the negative sides. However, they both mess up your sleep and that alone is enough to make me now use them together. That and there's only so much that the receptors can use.
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True dat. I think I'm fine cuz I already have insomnia so screwed up sleep is normal for me.
 
Rodja said:
I've used NPP and Tren Ace. There's a lot of similarity between tren and 1T in terms of positive effects, but 1T is much lower of the negative sides. However, they both mess up your sleep and that alone is enough to make me now use them together. That and there's only so much that the receptors can use.
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I was kinda getting at the fact that maybe your muscle might be more used to painful compounds and can take it. Sorta like how a virgin muscle gets so irritated but learns how to take it.

What would you say the similarities are between tren and 1t? If I wanted to avoid using tren do you think I could do so with 1t?

I get the sleep thing, I've been sleeping lighter and I haven't been dreaming much. Plus Ive been getting night sweats, but I also start sweating when I start thinking about how to feel and squeeze a muscle or if something makes my heart rate go up. But I was thinking it'd go good together like how tren and masteron go well together.
 
smash1904 said:
I was kinda getting at the fact that maybe your muscle might be more used to painful compounds and can take it. Sorta like how a virgin muscle gets so irritated but learns how to take it. What would you say the similarities are between tren and 1t? If I wanted to avoid using tren do you think I could do so with 1t? I get the sleep thing, I've been sleeping lighter and I haven't been dreaming much. Plus Ive been getting night sweats, but I also start sweating when I start thinking about how to feel and squeeze a muscle or if something makes my heart rate go up. But I was thinking it'd go good together like how tren and masteron go well together.
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I will still get PIP on a rare occasion if I pin some scar tissue.

As far as the similarities, they both give you a hard, grainy look and great strength gains. I like to say that it gives you 80% of the positive and only 30% of the negative. 1T is honestly my favorite steroid that I've ever used. If I had the foresight and knew how to brew then, I would've stocked up on it when it was OTC.
 
Rodja said:
I will still get PIP on a rare occasion if I pin some scar tissue.

As far as the similarities, they both give you a hard, grainy look and great strength gains. I like to say that it gives you 80% of the positive and only 30% of the negative. 1T is honestly my favorite steroid that I've ever used. If I had the foresight and knew how to brew then, I would've stocked up on it when it was OTC.
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Sounds really dope. Definitely throwing this in my cycle very soon.
 
Rodja said:
I will still get PIP on a rare occasion if I pin some scar tissue.

As far as the similarities, they both give you a hard, grainy look and great strength gains. I like to say that it gives you 80% of the positive and only 30% of the negative. 1T is honestly my favorite steroid that I've ever used. If I had the foresight and knew how to brew then, I would've stocked up on it when it was OTC.
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Is there a way you can tell you're going into scar tissue? Cause there's times when the same exact injection placed in almost the same place that didn't have pip before has a little pip after... How do you know if you've hit a muscle too much?

Ya I'm noticing the hardness and it seems like my bf is going down for sure - is it like tren where you can eat what ever and you'll still lean out? I'm liking it a lot so far too, I'm pretty sure I found my new regular. I'm going to see how competing goes with it instead of tren.
 
smash1904 said:
Is there a way you can tell you're going into scar tissue? Cause there's times when the same exact injection placed in almost the same place that didn't have pip before has a little pip after... How do you know if you've hit a muscle too much?

Ya I'm noticing the hardness and it seems like my bf is going down for sure - is it like tren where you can eat what ever and you'll still lean out? I'm liking it a lot so far too, I'm pretty sure I found my new regular. I'm going to see how competing goes with it instead of tren.
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Going into scar tissue makes it noticeably harder to push the needle in.
 
smash1904 said:
Is there a way you can tell you're going into scar tissue? Cause there's times when the same exact injection placed in almost the same place that didn't have pip before has a little pip after... How do you know if you've hit a muscle too much?

Ya I'm noticing the hardness and it seems like my bf is going down for sure - is it like tren where you can eat what ever and you'll still lean out? I'm liking it a lot so far too, I'm pretty sure I found my new regular. I'm going to see how competing goes with it instead of tren.
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I'd stack it with tren
 
smash1904 said:
So here's my goal:
I want to blast and cruise for the next 6 months and I'm looking to finally break through the 200 lb mark and get up to 220. That means I only need to average 1 lb per week.

Now this has been easier said then done for me and I'm sure a lot of other people, but if I stall I'm going to bring ghrp6 and slin into the picture. Dunno if that'll be necessary considering eq makes me hungry as f*ck and Ill be taking it the whole time - my cruise will be eq only with clomid for two weeks.

By the end of this I want to switch over contest prep, something I've been wanting to do for a long time.
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Thats all? Man, I bet I can be 500 lbs by this time next year!!



Seriously though, good luck! And I am subbed
 
smash1904 said:
Is there a way you can tell you're going into scar tissue? Cause there's times when the same exact injection placed in almost the same place that didn't have pip before has a little pip after... How do you know if you've hit a muscle too much?

Ya I'm noticing the hardness and it seems like my bf is going down for sure - is it like tren where you can eat what ever and you'll still lean out? I'm liking it a lot so far too, I'm pretty sure I found my new regular. I'm going to see how competing goes with it instead of tren.
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tinytony said:
Going into scar tissue makes it noticeably harder to push the needle in.
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Negligible difference truthfully. Jam it in like it is somebody else's body, and rock on. And rotate sites. You have at least 6 injectable spots in each quad, 4 in each Glut, and many others spots (just random estimations, I am definitely low balling, because how much space do you think 1 ML of fluid takes up? Not fukkin much!). Just DO IT and stop following what others say.
You don't need to rotate appendages, you can slide it over a few inches and inject again. IMO, the only time you should be concerned is if you literally inject (IM) 9 times a day or more.

All of this talk about scar tissue is nonsense.
Sure, your body will repair damaged tissue, but how much tissue damage do you think a little bitty needle causes?


Refer to the first word in my post for the answer!!

Good luck!


BAM!!
Register out
 
drewsicle3210 said:
Thats all? Man, I bet I can be 500 lbs by this time next year!!

Seriously though, good luck! And I am subbed
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Haha ya not trying to get that huge, I think I look pretty big at 200 and the event I'm ultimately interested in is the Olympia 212 so I'm aiming at 205-210 for NPC competition. Figured that means aim for 220-230 before cutting...

I dont want to get in debate about new vs old bodybuilders but I think modern bodybuilding should be called muscle growing. For instance Arnold was 6'2 and competed at 235, and Jay Cutler is 5'10 and competes at 260 - huge difference and I'm just a bigger fan of the look bodybuilders used to have. Not to say I don't find these new guys inspiring, but it's not what I want for myself. Who knows what will happen down the road, this is just where my sight is right now.

I'll also mention weight gain is really hard for me, I came out of high school 145 lbs and after a couple years of good eating and weight training I only got up to 160. If I don't train or focus on eating enough I drop pounds a lot easier than I'd like. It's just an enormous obstacle for me to tackle and I already have trouble dealing with the amount of food I'm already trying to eat.
 
drewsicle3210 said:
Negligible difference truthfully. Jam it in like it is somebody else's body, and rock on. And rotate sites. You have at least 6 injectable spots in each quad, 4 in each Glut, and many others spots (just random estimations, I am definitely low balling, because how much space do you think 1 ML of fluid takes up? Not fukkin much!). Just DO IT and stop following what others say.
You don't need to rotate appendages, you can slide it over a few inches and inject again. IMO, the only time you should be concerned is if you literally inject (IM) 9 times a day or more.

All of this talk about scar tissue is nonsense.
Sure, your body will repair damaged tissue, but how much tissue damage do you think a little bitty needle causes?

Refer to the first word in my post for the answer!!

Good luck!

BAM!!
Register out
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Well I like hearing this cause I was concerned that hitting the same muscle more than once a week would be problematic and I basically only want to inject quads cause everywhere else sucks for me... I figured as much anyways because I associate less pain the more often I hit them, like at the beginning of a cycle I'll have a little pip and bleeding and then a time progresses there's no blood or pain at all, I don't even really feel it go in. What I like most is that it doesn't effect my ability to lift, I can still squat even if I hurts and it hurts less after too. Wasn't really planning on changing anything I was doing, just wondered if I needed to be concerned.

Anyways I thought the scar tissue we were concerned about came from the depot crystallizing and irritating the surrounding tissue and not so much the actual pin... So to speak pip causes scar tissue?
 
The injection itself causes it. There are obviously factors such as CC volume, solvent levels, length, etc. I didn't start to really get scar tissue in my glutes until well after a year.
 
Rodja said:
The injection itself causes it. There are obviously factors such as CC volume, solvent levels, length, etc. I didn't start to really get scar tissue in my glutes until well after a year.
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Ya I get that, for me it's a matter of comfort and I wouldn't want to do something thats making me uncomfortable all the time... I didn't really think there was a serious issue, the quads huge and I'm not doing that frequent of injections or that much volume. There's just a lot of emphasis on site rotation.
 
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Update:

First thing is I'm starting to get back pumps... How much taurine is needed to fix this? I'm not super used to this, but it did make it hard to sleep last night and it was a chest day so the only "back" work were planks at the end.

Also I've had a few people ask if I'm using rogaine or something because my hair is coming back. At the end of the summer I had finished pct and was only on sarms and clomid before getting a hormone panel - blood came back with almost no hormones in it... Anyways during that time I had lost maybe 60% of my hair, full blown cul-de-sac going on. Hair falling out in clumps, all over my hands when I'd touch it or wash it.

Well coming back on cycle I also start taking dhea/pregnenolone/arimidex and continued taking clomid(all pretty low dose) and my hair has almost completely grown back. I'd think being on cycle and using dht derivatives would cause more hair to fall out not grow back. I was prepared for the latter cause I've already gotten used to shaving my head and it doesn't bother me... Am I a freak? Why is this happening? Should I just take it as being lucky?
 
Day: 14

Weight: 191

Weights been lingering around here, but it's the holidays and I'm taking a couple days off - focus has been off anyways, an now the gyms closed tonight and tomorrow. Was kinda sad to hear that, I've been to the gym for every holiday this year hahaha. Let you know how everything goes, I'll be back in a couple days.

Merry Christmas!
 
Merry Christmas everyone!
Recognize the true reason that we are all here, on earth, in the Universe.
Celebrate in style this year, make sure everyone know what it is about! Celebrate the birth of Christ, our Lord and Savior.


Forget all if fancy stuff you don't need. Give it to people that need it.

I'M sick of going into a store seeing bratty kid begging for outrageous gifts. Or how About those 6--12 year olds with tablets and iPhone, and they still beg for more.


Well, anyways, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!
 
drewsicle3210 said:
Merry Christmas everyone!
Recognize the true reason that we are all here, on earth, in the Universe.
Celebrate in style this year, make sure everyone know what it is about! Celebrate the birth of Christ, our Lord and Savior.

Forget all if fancy stuff you don't need. Give it to people that need it.

I'M sick of going into a store seeing bratty kid begging for outrageous gifts. Or how About those 6--12 year olds with tablets and iPhone, and they still beg for more.

Well, anyways, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!
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I'm pretty sure you're talking about my step son - talk about spoiled and ungrateful. We got him a paintball gun cause he'd been talking about how bad he wanted one and all he could talk about is "am I the only one who doesn't want to listen to Christmas music?!?" Yes, he was the only one, the rest I us were having a great time. Totally rude to his mom, she ended up crying and I had to explain he's 11 and its only going to get worse. Be prepared for attitude every step of the way.

I on the other hand am very grateful, my pregnant wife is doing well and were moving into our own first place. It was almost a disaster cause my car got stolen with the rent money in it, but my mom helped us out, a sort of Christmas miracle. Hope everyone else had an amazing Christmas!
 
Day: 17

Weight: 192

Weight went up a little bit, not as much as I thought considering the holidays. I'm progressive loading 5 lbs to every lift with every workout, and I'll tell you what: I'm doing more reps on the last set every time even though the weight is going up. Biceps and triceps in particular are pretty crazy, I'll do the drop set and somehow after a small break I can keep going.

I did have to drop the dumbbell bench press because of shoulder pain(same pain from barbell bench) and switched to hammer strength iso lateral chest press. I'm still doing the cable crossover chest press without problem. I'm also taking it easy on the cable pec fly cause it irritates my shoulder if I go up to much - I focus more on TUT and really flexing my pec into a ball an holding before slowly letting it back.

I've been doing this with a lot of lifts lately - push or pull quickly, hold, then slowly release. This puts a lot of emphasis on peak contraction after going through full range of motion, and then a lot of emphasis on the negative part of the lift. I'll even close my eyes and really focus on the muscle squeezing - really visualizing it.
 
I guess I'm doing something right cause I weighed in 194 today - the only real difference is 4 servings of cottage cheese with avocado before bed. I'm using ghrp/cjc again once a day to help with my shoulder etc...
 
smash1904 said:
I guess I'm doing something right cause I weighed in 194 today - the only real difference is 4 servings of cottage cheese with avocado before bed. I'm using ghrp/cjc again once a day to help with my shoulder etc...
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Weigh is coming up nicely brah. What day is it now?
 
Happy New Year everyone.

Weights lingering around 194-195, not bad I just need to pick up my calories. I'm having huge weight fluctuations right now cause I'm going to the bathroom more now - not used to that. I'm really happy cause my weights steadily going up, I'm getting denser/harder while looking leaner and more vascular. Sides are low, mostly just a little agro and profuse sweating. And I'm not even done with my first blast, or starting slin yet.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
How much slin r u running?
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I was thinking of starting with 5iu post workout, maybe work my way up to 10iu. Maybe down the road I'll add in a morning injection, not sure yet. I've read a couple different guides on how to experiment by working the carbs down with a given amount of slin to see what works - start with 10g/iu and work down to 7g/iu.

Inbox is full.
 
smash1904 said:
I was thinking of starting with 5iu post workout, maybe work my way up to 10iu. Maybe down the road I'll add in a morning injection, not sure yet. I've read a couple different guides on how to experiment by working the carbs down with a given amount of slin to see what works - start with 10g/iu and work down to 7g/iu.

Inbox is full.
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Oh ok gotcha. Its cleared
 
Day: 29

Weight: 195

Weights been lingering, I've seen 197 and 194 in the same day and as low as 192. I know this is partially cause of calories, but I figured I should be starting a two week cruise pretty soon cause I've been blasting for about 7 weeks. So starting Sunday I'll only be using 600mg of eq, and lifting half weight high repetition(cept maybe squats) for two weeks.

Does anyone have any pointers here? Anyone experienced in blast and cruise? Does anyone think I'd be better off just going another 4-8 weeks before cruising. I'm not positive I've stalled here, and it's only 5 weeks of 1-test - should I maybe give it a bit longer? My diets been off cause we just moved...
 
I'd go longer too.

BTW what are your doses again? I've been sifting but I must have missed it.
 
You know when you spend a long time writing something and when you post your phone freezes and it disappears? FML.
 
Lukef2000 said:
happens all the damn time, I always copy a long post these days just incase.
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Haha ya it happened a 2nd time yesterday. I was talking about blast and cruise and the theory behind slingshot training - basically the reasoning behind 8 weeks on 2 weeks off. After 8 weeks myostatin goes up, limiting gains, and if you take two weeks off where you lower protein intake and work volume as well you'll be fresh for growth. Gives your body a rest, and you don't have to increase doses so to me this means healthier way of doing it, and you'll get better results.

I also said as a reminder that my last hormone panel showed I'm quite possibly permanently shut down.

As for doses:
1-test 450mg
Test E 625mg
EQ 600mg
 
I also mentioned that I weighed in 198 the other day, which is a new PR, but unfortunately I'm feeling extremely sick now and I think I might have the flu.
 
Get better soon man, that's no good.

I had the flu recently and went almost broke throwing all sorts of OTC drugs at it lol.
Slept 12 hours a night, and now even though it's gone I still can't fix my sleep!
 
smash1904 said:
Haha ya it happened a 2nd time yesterday. I was talking about blast and cruise and the theory behind slingshot training - basically the reasoning behind 8 weeks on 2 weeks off. After 8 weeks myostatin goes up, limiting gains, and if you take two weeks off where you lower protein intake and work volume as well you'll be fresh for growth. Gives your body a rest, and you don't have to increase doses so to me this means healthier way of doing it, and you'll get better results. I also said as a reminder that my last hormone panel showed I'm quite possibly permanently shut down. As for doses: 1-test 450mg Test E 625mg EQ 600mg
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Ahh cool that's good to know, my latest blood work is not good and I'm almost certain I'm going to end up on trt so blast and cruising will be a definitive option.

smash1904 said:
And 202 just now! Crazy, I'm really stoked even though I'm sick.
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congrats on the 202 but get better bro!
 
Yeah Smash get better brah, I got sick too and it screwed with my appetite. It always seems like u get sick on cycle right when things r going good. Congrats on the weight gain though brah, u got this.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Get better soon man, that's no good.

I had the flu recently and went almost broke throwing all sorts of OTC drugs at it lol.
Slept 12 hours a night, and now even though it's gone I still can't fix my sleep!
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Ya 12 hours of sleep a day did good for me, but working 9 hour shifts didn't help - just now feeling better. My sleep has always been messed up but I know I need to start working on that cause it messes with my circadian rhythm. Also I started having trouble breathing and when I checked my BP I had 146:87 at 78 BPM - not good.
 
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