Sleep issues

chainsaw

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I go to bed anywhere from 830pm to 930pm. I set alarm at 430am. But for last 2 months I have been waking up every night from 200am to 300am. When i wake up it is to urinate. However once I am awake I cannot go back to sleep. I dont take stimulants other than a small amount of coffee before workouts usually around 4pm.
. I came off of peptides 6 weeks ago and thought that would end the sleep cycle. When clocks change I though sleep cycle would change, so its 5 to 6 hours of sleep and I have to wake up to pee and cant get back to sleep. I am currently taking Anabolic xt and Anabolic effect. Before bed I take 10mg Zinc picolanate, 400mg Magnesium Glycinate, 40mg P5P. Any insights
 
This is actually really common and the reason I know that is because it happens to me so I started researching it. I typically go to bed between 10 - 10:30 and every single night I wake up between 2 - 2:30am and then again at 4:30 many nights, but always the 2am time one.

I've read theories on cortisol spiking, circadian rhythm changes, etc.. and I have tried everything possible to sleep past it. The only thing that ever worked was a xanax and obviously that isn't the answer.
 
chainsaw said:
I go to bed anywhere from 830pm to 930pm. I set alarm at 430am. But for last 2 months I have been waking up every night from 200am to 300am. When i wake up it is to urinate. However once I am awake I cannot go back to sleep. I dont take stimulants other than a small amount of coffee before workouts usually around 4pm.
. I came off of peptides 6 weeks ago and thought that would end the sleep cycle. When clocks change I though sleep cycle would change, so its 5 to 6 hours of sleep and I have to wake up to pee and cant get back to sleep. I am currently taking Anabolic xt and Anabolic effect. Before bed I take 10mg Zinc picolanate, 400mg Magnesium Glycinate, 40mg P5P. Any insights
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I have gone thru spells like this as long as I can remember - for a couple months everything will be fine and then for a couple of months, I'll wake up like clockwork in the middle of the night and have a hard time falling back asleep.

For you, it could be for the same reasons that it is for others of us, but it could also be your body adjusting to being off of peptides. I've heard of it happening to a lot of people when they were on peptides and for up to 12 weeks after coming off of them.

My pre-bedtime regimen is 1 to 2 caps Sleep Assist XT + 1 Api-Plex + 1 Inhibit-P before bedtime.

Inhibit-P is great for sleep and a lot of people find it very beneficial on or after peptide use.

Api-Plex is great in general and a lot of people love it for restful sleep.

Here's the intro thread and later on in the pages people really start talking about how it helps them with sleep:

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I hope that this info helps.
 
Although nothing written suggests that this would be a factor for you, I was having terrible sleep issues and I tried several different solutions. Then I stopped drinking to see what impact that might have - I had been drinking a couple of glasses of red wine each night. My sleep improved substantially.
 
Beau said:
Although nothing written suggests that this would be a factor for you, I was having terrible sleep issues and I tried several different solutions. Then I stopped drinking to see what impact that might have - I had been drinking a couple of glasses of red wine each night. My sleep improved substantially.
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Zero question this is a factor. I personally am walking the line between continuing to enjoy our very active social life where someone whether it’s family or friends being at our house for a drink and dinner and my workouts and sleep. It’s a constant balancing act because both are important to me/us.
 
chainsaw said:
I go to bed anywhere from 830pm to 930pm. I set alarm at 430am. But for last 2 months I have been waking up every night from 200am to 300am. When i wake up it is to urinate. However once I am awake I cannot go back to sleep. I dont take stimulants other than a small amount of coffee before workouts usually around 4pm.
. I came off of peptides 6 weeks ago and thought that would end the sleep cycle. When clocks change I though sleep cycle would change, so its 5 to 6 hours of sleep and I have to wake up to pee and cant get back to sleep. I am currently taking Anabolic xt and Anabolic effect. Before bed I take 10mg Zinc picolanate, 400mg Magnesium Glycinate, 40mg P5P. Any insights
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Try dropping all supplements and see if it changes. I've battled this for years and noticed even vitamins would make it worse. It got really bad this past year, so I've resorted to lunesta, but I can't take any zinc, b6 or folate at all anymore.
 
kisaj said:
This is actually really common and the reason I know that is because it happens to me so I started researching it. I typically go to bed between 10 - 10:30 and every single night I wake up between 2 - 2:30am and then again at 4:30 many nights, but always the 2am time one.

I've read theories on cortisol spiking, circadian rhythm changes, etc.. and I have tried everything possible to sleep past it. The only thing that ever worked was a xanax and obviously that isn't the answer.
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I’ve heard of the cortisol issues as well. My integrative dr told me it could also be an over active liver. She had me take a liver cleanse during the day. I also started adding ashwaganda (not Ksm-66) and L-theanine to my melatonin before bed and it helped tremendously.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Try dropping all supplements and see if it changes. I've battled this for years and noticed even vitamins would make it worse. It got really bad this past year, so I've resorted to lunesta, but I can't take any zinc, b6 or folate at all anymore.
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Zinc, Folate, or B-6 keep you awake?
 
Renew1 said:
Zinc, Folate, or B-6 keep you awake?
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That was my thought as well bc that would be exceptionally rare.

I take 50 mg. NOW Foods Zinc, NOW Foods Methyl Folate, and Inhibit-P which has 50 mg. of B6 from P5P every night myself.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Try dropping all supplements and see if it changes. I've battled this for years and noticed even vitamins would make it worse. It got really bad this past year, so I've resorted to lunesta, but I can't take any zinc, b6 or folate at all anymore.
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Telling him to stop taking supplements like Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT wouldn't be relevant because he was experiencing the problem before he was taking them, and had stated that it was happening while he was taking peptides.

Sometimes sleep issues from peptides take time to resolve - and feedback on Anabolic XT specifically has been that it helps improve restful sleep; so I think that implying that it would have anything to do with sleep issues is not correct at all.

Everyone responds different to different things, but its surprising that zinc, methyl folate, and B6 would keep you awake; I literally take those before bedtime myself.
 
Darkhorse192 said:
get tested for sleep apnea and low T
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Good suggestion, but I would add on that I would wait another 4 to 6 weeks off peptides before getting tested for sleep apnea because I have seen a lot of situations where it can take up to 12 weeks for people's sleep issues off of peptides to work themselves out.
 
sns8778 said:
Good suggestion, but I would add on that I would wait another 4 to 6 weeks off peptides before getting tested for sleep apnea because I have seen a lot of situations where it can take up to 12 weeks for people's sleep issues off of peptides to work themselves out.
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I get my T checked every year, last check it was in 613. I am 40 so its kind of middle of the road. I wake up hot too, so I try to keep room cold.

6 months on mk677, cjc 1295, bpc 157. Used for so long to recover from pec tear.
 
Renew1 said:
Zinc, Folate, or B-6 keep you awake?
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Yes.
sns8778 said:
That was my thought as well bc that would be exceptionally rare.

I take 50 mg. NOW Foods Zinc, NOW Foods Methyl Folate, and Inhibit-P which has 50 mg. of B6 from P5P every night myself.
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sns8778 said:
Telling him to stop taking supplements like Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT wouldn't be relevant because he was experiencing the problem before he was taking them, and had stated that it was happening while he was taking peptides.

Sometimes sleep issues from peptides take time to resolve - and feedback on Anabolic XT specifically has been that it helps improve restful sleep; so I think that implying that it would have anything to do with sleep issues is not correct at all.

Everyone responds different to different things, but its surprising that zinc, methyl folate, and B6 would keep you awake; I literally take those before bedtime myself.
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I took this things for years and they helped me sleep, until they didn't. Now, they make me feel overstimulated. It sounds like we have similar history of (ab)use, so, stop everything and start from scratch. Add things back in one at a time for a little while. I now get side effects from high doses of vitamin C as well, but if I never dropped everything, I would've never figured that out.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I took this things for years and they helped me sleep, until they didn't. Now, they make me feel overstimulated. It sounds like we have similar history of (ab)use, so, stop everything and start from scratch. Add things back in one at a time for a little while. I now get side effects from high doses of vitamin C as well, but if I never dropped everything, I would've never figured that out.
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The point I was trying to make is that you telling him to drop supplements that he wasn't even on when the issue started comes off like you're blaming products for the issues, when he wasn't even using him when they began; and therefore they aren't the causation of it in his case. That's all I'm saying.

With his history on MK, it is a good likelihood that if he were to drop some of the things that he's taking, that his problem could get significantly worse.
 
chainsaw said:
I get my T checked every year, last check it was in 613. I am 40 so its kind of middle of the road. I wake up hot too, so I try to keep room cold.

6 months on mk677, cjc 1295, bpc 157. Used for so long to recover from pec tear.
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From my experience dealing with and helping people with issues like this, I think that MK is likely a big part of the problem. And if so, should start to resolve itself for most people by the 12 week off mark.

I would strongly suggest trying Inhibit-P in your circumstance - 1 capsule in the morning and 1 capsule at night. It has P5P in it, so you would drop the B6 dose you are doing now. A lot of people find success with that and its very inexpensive.

There are other things that could help you sleep like Sleep Assist and Api-Plex to improve quality of sleep, but I think Inhibit-P will help bc a lot of people that have this issue on or after peptide use find that it does.
 
So I placed my Apex order and went with the subscription because, well how can you pass up that price. And I will say that the updates are great - we received your order, it's being packed, it's getting ready for shipment, it shipped. Then a follow up from the owner thanking me for the order. It's little things like that customer service that separate companies now.

I'd say the same for you @sns8778- always answering questions and making yourself aware for users here. It's a quality touch.
 
kisaj said:
So I placed my Apex order and went with the subscription because, well how can you pass up that price. And I will say that the updates are great - we received your order, it's being packed, it's getting ready for shipment, it shipped. Then a follow up from the owner thanking me for the order. It's little things like that customer service that separate companies now.

I'd say the same for you @sns8778- always answering questions and making yourself aware for users here. It's a quality touch.
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@kisaj what did you get from Apex? I’m interested in some of their products. Let me know what you think of them.
 
Been a couple years since I’ve tried an Apex product. Really like their product selections. Biggest reason I haven’t gone back to them is the scent. I seem to recall it had a fairly noticeable menthol-like smell which honestly turned me off. In looking at the ingredients, there’s eucalyptus and peppermint oils. I really want to pull the trigger on a subscription, but the scent makes me hesitant. I realize it doesn’t last long, but curious if Apex has tried a different formula, and if eucalyptus/peppermint is really necessary?
 
hyperCat said:
Been a couple years since I’ve tried an Apex product. Really like their product selections. Biggest reason I haven’t gone back to them is the scent. I seem to recall it had a fairly noticeable menthol-like smell which honestly turned me off. In looking at the ingredients, there’s eucalyptus and peppermint oils. I really want to pull the trigger on a subscription, but the scent makes me hesitant. I realize it doesn’t last long, but curious if Apex has tried a different formula, and if eucalyptus/peppermint is really necessary?
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The eucalyptus and peppermint are both penetration enhancers and without them the carrier would just smell like solvents. When we chose them we researched the most popular/least offensive scents and these were high on the list. So between their popularity and penetration enhancing benefits we chose this combo.
 
nostrum420 said:
The eucalyptus and peppermint are both penetration enhancers and without them the carrier would just smell like solvents. When we chose them we researched the most popular/least offensive scents and these were high on the list. So between their popularity and penetration enhancing benefits we chose this combo.
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Ah makes sense. Didn’t consider they may have absorbtion benefits. May just have to take advantage of this bogo and give it another try.
 
hyperCat said:
Ah makes sense. Didn’t consider they may have absorbtion benefits. May just have to take advantage of this bogo and give it another try.
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I'm also new to the Apex alchemy products The scent is different but sort of refreshing and it does dissipate after a couple of hours.
I don't mind the eucalyptus smell reminds me of vaporub of that my mother used to rub on my chest when I was sick as a child. So far I am noticing great results
 
chainsaw said:
I go to bed anywhere from 830pm to 930pm. I set alarm at 430am. But for last 2 months I have been waking up every night from 200am to 300am.
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kisaj said:
I typically go to bed between 10 - 10:30 and every single night I wake up between 2 - 2:30am and then again at 4:30 many nights, but always the 2am time one.
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I'm close to finishing my first bottle of AET-50. I bought it for the cortisol control, but stuck with it for the crazy vivid dreams. Basically, it got me from zero to REM sleep super fast, so that I felt like I was dreaming all night long, every night. At this point, I'm hooked.

However (and more to the point) my crazy vivid dreams led me to a new topic of study: sleep. The Wikipedia rabbit hole eventually led me to Invalid Link Removed.

TLDR; - Our "optimal" 8 hours of consecutive sleep wasn't a thing until the Industrial Revolution. Before that, normal human sleep was "interrupted" or "biphasic": divided into first and second sleep, with an hour or two of wakefulness in the middle of the night.

So... if your sleep is often interrupted, than maybe your sleep isn't broken after all. Maybe it's just... normal? :unsure:😅
 
flintinatux said:
I'm close to finishing my first bottle of AET-50. I bought it for the cortisol control, but stuck with it for the crazy vivid dreams. Basically, it got me from zero to REM sleep super fast, so that I felt like I was dreaming all night long, every night. At this point, I'm hooked.

However (and more to the point) my crazy vivid dreams led me to a new topic of study: sleep. The Wikipedia rabbit hole eventually led me to Invalid Link Removed.

TLDR; - Our "optimal" 8 hours of consecutive sleep wasn't a thing until the Industrial Revolution. Before that, normal human sleep was "interrupted" or "biphasic": divided into first and second sleep, with an hour or two of wakefulness in the middle of the night.

So... if your sleep is often interrupted, than maybe your sleep isn't broken after all. Maybe it's just... normal? :unsure:😅
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That is super interesting. I'll have to check this out!
 
hyperCat said:
Ah makes sense. Didn’t consider they may have absorbtion benefits. May just have to take advantage of this bogo and give it another try.
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Maybe try applying to your feet and shins so that it's a little further from your nose.
 
flintinatux said:
I'm close to finishing my first bottle of AET-50. I bought it for the cortisol control, but stuck with it for the crazy vivid dreams. Basically, it got me from zero to REM sleep super fast, so that I felt like I was dreaming all night long, every night. At this point, I'm hooked.

However (and more to the point) my crazy vivid dreams led me to a new topic of study: sleep. The Wikipedia rabbit hole eventually led me to Invalid Link Removed.

TLDR; - Our "optimal" 8 hours of consecutive sleep wasn't a thing until the Industrial Revolution. Before that, normal human sleep was "interrupted" or "biphasic": divided into first and second sleep, with an hour or two of wakefulness in the middle of the night.

So... if your sleep is often interrupted, than maybe your sleep isn't broken after all. Maybe it's just... normal? :unsure:😅
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Considering how many people I have talked to or read online having this issue (I've been slightly obsessed about it for years), there might be some truth to that. But I would still like to wake up like the commercials with a big stretch, look at the clock and say with a smile "holy chit, I slept that entire time..". Lol
 
Well my order already came! That was shockingly fast and now I am jazzed to try it out.

Off topic- really thinking about trying the 6-OXO as well.
 
nostrum420 said:
Get it before congress catches on!
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Congress - those do-gooders who "protect us" by punishing responsible people, while coddling those who cause real harm and labeling them as victims.

One of the reasons we can't have anything nice ...
 
Beau said:
Congress - those do-gooders who "protect us" by punishing responsible people, while coddling those who cause real harm and labeling them as victims.

One of the reasons we can't have anything nice ...
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Well, before this goes off the rails...


How's everyone sleeping???

😬
 
Okay, what is the scent in the carrier? It seems like a mix of rosemary and something else. It’s pleasant but I’m stuck on what it is.
 
kisaj said:
Okay, what is the scent in the carrier? It seems like a mix of rosemary and something else. It’s pleasant but I’m stuck on what it is.
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No rosemary... though rosemary oil might be an interesting note to add. It's eucalyptus and peppermint but the benzyl alcohol adds a sort of sweet smell.
 
nostrum420 said:
No rosemary... though rosemary oil might be an interesting note to add. It's eucalyptus and peppermint but the benzyl alcohol adds a sort of sweet smell.
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Thanks, it must be the eucalyptus that’s sticking around. I personally like it, but it’s strong. I do sense the peppermint.

I’m kind of an all in guy so I did 10 pumps. Lol

Keep me away from party nights.
 
kisaj said:
Thanks, it must be the eucalyptus that’s sticking around. I personally like it, but it’s strong. I do sense the peppermint.

I’m kind of an all in guy so I did 10 pumps. Lol

Keep me away from party nights.
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#legend
 
What?!

No freaking joke, I slept straight through the night until 6am. If this happens for the next few nights, I’m buying the entire stock. Lol
 
hercules_22 said:
What's the normal dosage for sleep benefits? And how many doses per bottle?
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That would vary by the individual.
I currently use 4-6 pumps for help with sleep (and Cortisol control).
That would equate to about 1ml.
We offer our products in 30ml and 60ml sizes, so (for me) that would be 60 doses per 60ml bottle (which is what I use).
 
chainsaw said:
how much did you take?
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At first I tried AET-50 at five pumps a.m. + 5 pumps p.m. But I quickly discovered that was a little too much for me personally. I slept through my alarm, and was groggy during the day. Just never really felt like I woke all the way up.

So I played around with the dosage over the next couple weeks, and have decided that 4 pumps only at night is the most useful for me. I definitely recommend experimenting a little to see what works best for you.
 
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This issue is actually quite common. Many people wake up at the same time due to the same reason. You should be glad that you’re not an Invalid Link Removed because that actually impacts people's health and sleep so badly. Anyways my friend had the same issue and when I asked him he just said that I just stopped drinking water before my bedtime so that at least I could eliminate the reason why I am waking up. It worked for him pretty much okay. You can try that if you want and see if it works for you.
 
kisaj said:
Considering how many people I have talked to or read online having this issue (I've been slightly obsessed about it for years), there might be some truth to that. But I would still like to wake up like the commercials with a big stretch, look at the clock and say with a smile "holy chit, I slept that entire time..". Lol
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I have that same desire. But, I also feel like garbage the next day most often when this happens. Do you feel fine when it happens?
 
GreenMachineX said:
I have that same desire. But, I also feel like garbage the next day most often when this happens. Do you feel fine when it happens?
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Usually I do because I can function fine and it's not like anyone I am around would think, "oh you seem tired.." I can hit the gym the same, run the girls to all their sports and activities, work productivity is high, etc..

However, since dealing with this for so long, some observations I have are that: the body is pretty damn resilient and I find that my adrenaline runs higher to make up for lack of sleep to keep me going. Likely related to neurotransmitter affect on gaba and norepinephrine. The question is: does this eventually cause you to always run on "high", eventually causing you to not sleep well because it doesn't shut off? Don't know, just something I've hypothesized and tried to address through static stretching, yoga, mental relaxation exercises, etc.. But it's been minimally beneficial.

The other observation, related to resiliency, is that when I actually do sleep well, I realize how much better I am with everything. So it's clear that even though I can function with low sleep, I'm never optimal like I may feel I am. Which of course, drives the desire to continue seeking ways to improve or fix this.

Which is why I am here. LOL
 
kisaj said:
Usually I do because I can function fine and it's not like anyone I am around would think, "oh you seem tired.." I can hit the gym the same, run the girls to all their sports and activities, work productivity is high, etc..

However, since dealing with this for so long, some observations I have are that: the body is pretty damn resilient and I find that my adrenaline runs higher to make up for lack of sleep to keep me going. Likely related to neurotransmitter affect on gaba and norepinephrine. The question is: does this eventually cause you to always run on "high", eventually causing you to not sleep well because it doesn't shut off? Don't know, just something I've hypothesized and tried to address through static stretching, yoga, mental relaxation exercises, etc.. But it's been minimally beneficial.

The other observation, related to resiliency, is that when I actually do sleep well, I realize how much better I am with everything. So it's clear that even though I can function with low sleep, I'm never optimal like I may feel I am. Which of course, drives the desire to continue seeking ways to improve or fix this.

Which is why I am here. LOL
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Gotcha. Well, if you have any breakthroughs, I'm all ears as I'm dealing with the same thing. The only outward thing I show is on really bad nights, I get irritable and short. I really hate how I react to things at is worst, so I'm really diving hard into figuring it out.
 
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