Sleep aids
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AntM1564
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How often do you use them? Just from your brief post, it seems like you may rely on them.
LeanEngineer
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IML's Dream n Grow is good option. I've been using that or awhile and I like it.
believer
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Is there a standard dose or is it something I would play around with?
believer
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Actually, I just started taking any sort of sleep aid this week. I have not been sleeping for the last four months or so due to life stressors.
MMAguy
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You want a good extract. I take 99.6% L-dopa at 500mg per serving. I take 4 servings daily.
believer
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You're referring to L-dopa?
believer
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Neither. Just started with anesthetized. I was thinking of picking up melatonin but I wanted to ask this question first.
smith_69
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yes and you can build up a tolerance which will require more of it. im not saying its bad or good, that is for you to decide. i however dont use it. friends i know do.
JG93
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Yes, gaba is good to. You can probably get a script for Gabapentin from your dr. Say you have anxiety but don't want to go the benzo route.
GABA is addictive, I watched a buddy withdrawal off 800 gaba a day.
I don't recommend it
MMAguy
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Actually it's not known to cause withdrawals. (Of course it's possible depends on a person's genes). I had a script and started out 300mg/day and eventually got up to a 1800mg dosage . 600mg x 3 times a day. No withdrawals. That's why they give it to folks sourcing for scheduled substances. It's great for alcohol withdrawals and hard drug use but IMO it's the best way to go if you don't want to use an addictive pharmaceutical such as benzos.
JG93
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Yea he was 800 x3 I believe.
He for sure withdrew, I don't know a whole lot about it, just that he did in fact withdrawal.
I myself need a sleep aid, just worried it will keep me from waking up in the morning
MMAguy
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I'm talking pharmaceutical prescription grade. Not herbal gaba. Thought I should make that clear for people reading this with no idea lol
JG93
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Yea his was pharma as well, by his doc.
What's a good sleep aid that will help insomnia but not bother your waking up?
smith_69
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raul87
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That looks pretty good I have a quick question though. Will it knock me out to the point I won't hear my alarm? When I work day shifts I average very little sleep and when I wake up I'm just dead and it takes a bit to get up. I'm afraid a sleep aid might just knock me out and not let me get up for work I wake up at 330am
JG93
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B5150
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Did you say "life stressor?" I very seriously empathize!
MHK Red Vein Thai will remove any and all stressors you may have.
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Garyboy
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In that case, go to your doctor and get a prescription sleeping pill like Zoplicone. I feel for you, as I have been there. Once you get over this hurdle you're dealing with, slowly get off of it. Good luck.
NurseGray
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I have used a few sleep aids in my day but nothing has come close to REM 8.0 for me. I dont take it everyday so dependency on phenibut isnt an issue for me. I dont need a full scoop either to get a good nights sleep. Usually I dose at around 1/4 to 1/2 scoop. Ive been using the same 50 serving tub for at least 4 months now.
believer
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Thank you. I am familiar with the ZMA and Ashwhaganda. I used it probably 20 years ago when I had another extremely high stress job and would not sleep. I dosed it during the day to mellow out and then at night it would give me crazy vivid dreams. The only downside was I built up a tolerance and had to keep upping the dose. I may end up going back to it. I'll have to look up the other one but thank you.
NurseGray
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I think you mean Revivarant G by APS Nutrition?
believer
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So many good recommendations.
This one looks solid. I've used phenibut in the past with much success so I am glad to see it as part of the ingredient profile. Will probably have to give this one a try as well. Thank you.
believer
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I was going to say, I couldn't find any results on Google. I thought maybe there was a typo in there somewhere.
Thompson2003
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10mg of melatonin and 250 mg of magnesium. Cheap and works like a charm
LeanEngineer
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I get about 6 hours a sleep a night on average and I can still wake up when I take this. I usually don't take it every night though. I'lll just take it when I need it.
HIT4ME
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For the above posts, are you two sure you're not talking about Gabapentin? Not sure they even make prescription GABA and if they do, it wouldn't make sense since it's over the counter. That would be like prescription sugar. You can buy it and take as much as you want. Gaba is not addictive and the supposed knock on it is that it doesn't even cross the BBB - so it supposedly doesn't get in your brain at all. But as kisaj said so well - take 2 grams of this and tell me you don't relax.
ZMA and Ashwaghanda definitely help me sleep through the night without waking up - and don't interfere with my sleep pattern at all. GABA is great for deeper sleep and may make me sleep a little longer - maybe 8 full hours without problem, but doesn't keep me from waking up either. Revivarant G, which has phenibut and GABOB can keep me asleep for 10 hours, but I can wake up no problem in as few as six - if I take a full dose 6-8 hours of sleep leaves me a little dizzy for an hour after I wake up. It is harder to get up with Rev. G. It is strong.
Revivarant G is the same for me - I take 1/3 - 1/2 scoop unless I just want to sleep a long time (like on a Friday night into Saturday morning after a hard week)
You won't build up a tolerance to ZMA and upping the dose will make it less effective. It isn't a magical sleep aid - it is effective but weak.
Before going prescription I would do ZMA, Ashwagandha and GABA. Start at 500 mg GABA and work up to 5 grams - you will find a dose that gives you awesome sleep. For me I got to 2 grams and slept great, increased all the way up to 10 grams and found that 2 grams was the best so I stick to that.
Yes, sorry - autocorrect. I also didn't mean L-Dopamine, I meant L-Dopa as others had suggested.
AntM1564
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I'm going to go a different route with this one. I would try and get the stress under control first. If stress is disrupting sleep or any facet of your daily routine, I would try to get a healthy handle on it. Try to find something to help you de-stress, maybe something like a journal you write in daily, drinking a cup of tea, going for a walk or even a coloring book.
Once you get a handle on that, I would look into KSM-66. This will also help with your stress and anxiety, but there is no guarantee if your stress is very high, this will alleviate it enough.
Sleep aids/HGH boosters do have their place, but I would get a hold of what is stressing me out first.
Once you get a handle on that, I would look into KSM-66. This will also help with your stress and anxiety, but there is no guarantee if your stress is very high, this will alleviate it enough.
Sleep aids/HGH boosters do have their place, but I would get a hold of what is stressing me out first.
JG93
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rhoadx
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This is spot on. Getting your stress under control by lifestyle change trumps all. It sounds dumb but keeping a log of things you are grateful for and feel blessed to have will do a lot to de stress you and relieve anxiety. Also do agree with the KSM-66, it truly does live up to the hype
saywutrly
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I didn't see it mentioned, but I always stack a low dose of melatonin and 5-HTP. For me, that's 3mg and 100mg respectively. The body uses the 5-HTP to make both serotonin and melatonin, so I find that it extends the effects of the melatonin to allow sleep for 6-8 good hours in my own anecdotes. Everyone else has covered in excellent detail all the other OTC sleep products of which I am aware.
If this is solely a temporary event causing the sleeplessness, and depending on your country, you could also try a low dose of etizolam. This is a thiopene analog of benzodiazepenes, but is sold online as a supplement to/in many countries where it is not scheduled/prescribed. BUT this is NOT for chronic sleeplessness. It is ADDICTIVE. This would only be for temporary life events where you'd use it for a short time and only on nights when your chosen natty sleep protocol doesn't do the job. Personally, I can vouch for both it's effectiveness when respected and it's propensity to cause dependence and general darkness when disrespected. IF you understand the risks and all else fails, start at 1/4mg (yes, get out your Exacto knife--that's a quarter of a pill) and titrate only if it is not effective at all. I only provide this information on it because I suffer from anxiety-induced insomnia and I know firsthand how horrible it is to go days without sleeping no matter how hard or what you try.
If this is solely a temporary event causing the sleeplessness, and depending on your country, you could also try a low dose of etizolam. This is a thiopene analog of benzodiazepenes, but is sold online as a supplement to/in many countries where it is not scheduled/prescribed. BUT this is NOT for chronic sleeplessness. It is ADDICTIVE. This would only be for temporary life events where you'd use it for a short time and only on nights when your chosen natty sleep protocol doesn't do the job. Personally, I can vouch for both it's effectiveness when respected and it's propensity to cause dependence and general darkness when disrespected. IF you understand the risks and all else fails, start at 1/4mg (yes, get out your Exacto knife--that's a quarter of a pill) and titrate only if it is not effective at all. I only provide this information on it because I suffer from anxiety-induced insomnia and I know firsthand how horrible it is to go days without sleeping no matter how hard or what you try.
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believer
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Yes, anesthetized seems to be working well.. The label says not to take it every night so that's why I was hoping to find alternatives.
believer
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I appreciate the suggestions and agree completely. If this were a permanent situation, I would do as you say but it should be less than another month at the most and that's why am looking for a temporary fix.
HIT4ME
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Gabapentin
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Gaba
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They are different molecules. Gabapentin is for neurotic pain and seizures, etc and does seem to cross the BBB.
Gaba is the neurotransmitter itself and doesn't supposedly get past the BBB.
Common mistake - and I made a simar mistake I'm this thread before I edited my post when I said l-dopamine and meant l-dopa
criticalbench
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I use Out Cold daily.. Does an awesome job getting me to sleep but an even better job keeping me asleep which is an issue as I work night shift and typically am sleeping during the afternoon when all the kids are out playing and I can hear them. When I work my 3 days, I usually get 5 hours of sleep as my shifts are 12 hours. It really helps my 5 hours feel like closer to 7 since I never wake on out cold.
Valerian root and l-theanine work great when I can't sleep because my mind is racing. These are cheap additions. Can never go wrong with benedryl either.
Valerian root and l-theanine work great when I can't sleep because my mind is racing. These are cheap additions. Can never go wrong with benedryl either.
sparks2012
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Could've already been mentioned, Anesthesized by BSL works wonders for keeping me asleep. Falling asleep, eh, not so much. GABA powder (like 500 servings or something like that, cheap on BB.com) helps too.
zv3
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Best one I ever used was IForce Lights-out. Out cold for 6-7hours or so then I jumped up ready to hit the iron. I have literally used every sleep supp on the forum here and cycle them. They all give different types of sleep of various hours for me. Lights out if hard, fast and to the point when I have to get up early and want to be knocked out for about 7 hours or so. Arnold Iron Dreams is ok, on the lighter side to lull me to sleep. Use Sleep2gro and its a lighter sleep supp also.
JG93
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Daycrawler
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I would go with Relora at night and also KSM-66.
I enjoy adding in SNS ZMA as I don't get enough magnesium in my diet and this pairs well
Enjoy!!
I enjoy adding in SNS ZMA as I don't get enough magnesium in my diet and this pairs well
Enjoy!!