Unanswered Similar Ingredients but different effects? Why would this be?

Scott-b1985

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I am currently swapping between 2 pre workouts.

Hydrapharm Hydrazine
And
Imperial Nutrition Excelsior

Hydrazine profile
Hydrazine blend700mg*
Bauhinia Purpurea Extract (leaf and pod), Cacao Extract (fruit), Caffeine Anhydrous, Cymbidium Goeringii Extract (whole plant), Kigelia Africana Extract (fruit)


Excelsior Profile
Propietary Blend5.3g*
L-Citrulline
Trimethylglycine
Kigelia Africana Extract (fruit)
Caffeine Anhydrous
Bauhinia Purpurea
Bitter Orange Extract (fruit)
Octopamine
Hawthorne Extract (fruit)


Their similar but the odd extra ingredients added to Excelsior

When i take Hydrazine it is a great pre workout but i get anxious and jittery on it at times.

Excelsior has near enough the same effects as Hydrazine but i don't get that overpowering anxiety and jittery feeling.

Why would this be? Just thought the same ingredients roughly would yield similar 'side effects'?

I get a crash from Hydrazine. Mild headache ' Irritable etc. I do crash slightly on Excelsior but it's a lot less than Hydrazine also? Also the excelsior seems to last a lot longer.

Just wondered what the difference would be in these profiles?

Thanks
 
Yep agreed with the above. Also are you taking them at/around the same time each day that you tried them? For example if you tried on an empty stomach it’s going to be a lot stronger versus taking with food.
 
LeanEngineer said:
Yep agreed with the above. Also are you taking them at/around the same time each day that you tried them? For example if you tried on an empty stomach it’s going to be a lot stronger versus taking with food.
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Yes i take either supplement fasted (Empty Stomach).

I switch between the 2 and they feel similar in terms of focus ' Mood boost etc but i find that Excelsior has a longer feel. Excelsior also has less of a crash than Hydrazine. Either product isn't a bad crash but just a slump in mood and energy. Hydrazine when it is wearing off gives me a slight headache. Excelsior doesn't.

I have emailed both companys to ask just the caffeine amount and none of the companys will disclose it.

I don't mind prop blends if the product works. I would just like to find the caffeine content though
 
Agreed. It would be nice to know the exact amount of caffeine. I'm surprised they wouldn't disclose that.
 
LeanEngineer said:
Agreed. It would be nice to know the exact amount of caffeine. I'm surprised they wouldn't disclose that.
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Tried the suppliers direct emails and no response and also tried Predator Nutrition's email who just says 'We don't know but it ia strong'

Seems sketchy tbh
 
Scott-b1985 said:
Tried the suppliers direct emails and no response and also tried Predator Nutrition's email who just says 'We don't know but it ia strong'

Seems sketchy tbh
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Haha yes that does. I'd vote for getting a different pre if they can't tell you what amount of each ingredient is in the blend.
 
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