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Should we be shaming obese children more?

in general - fat people have far too many excuses of why they're obese, of course there are the exceptions but those exceptions are few and far between

if a big group of obese people were put on a deserted island with only a small amount of food to eat a day (like on survivour) for a couple of years, how many would still be obese by the end and that includes the "genetically challenged" ones?
 
b unit said:
how about a fat tax on fast food & convienience food that is high in sugar and fat?

how about making gym and fitness club memberships tax deductable?
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i agree with gym membership being tax deductable, but as for putting a tax on foods, although unhealthy is foolish. we pay enough for food as it is and we dont need to tax something to stop fat fckin obese people. i say let them eat themselves to death, and dont pay for their health care. if we let them get away with taxing a food, were does it stop. "lets increase the tax on television so kids will be forced to get outside more." same concept.
 
Mike Combs said:
i don't think so dude, what kind of concept is that, it's totally stupid, wot a retard :fool2:
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im trying to get the point out that if you tax foods to stop people from eating them, were does it stop. we are giving the government way to much power and im afriad in the end will be left with any real freedom. if you can wrap your mind around that, maybe your not as dumb as your post made you sound.
 
It comes down to both nature and nuture.

Some people are more genetically predisposed to become fat while other people consuming the exact some food and calories are skinny as ****.

Your parents are going to be responsible for you until you are cognizant to a higher level as to the effect eating certain foods will have on your body. So until you are a certain age, it's there responsibility. I don't think you are mentally grown up until about 16-18. At that point you may already be fat as hell. I know atheletic fat kids that played sports and were decent and still had high bf%.

When you become an adult it's then your job to learn, but you gotta admit it's not easier in a society that hits you with constant advertising for ****. Even when it's claimed that food is health 99% of the time it's not. So fatso with ****ty genetics trys to do the right thing and ****s up many many times before he gets it right. Naturally skinny guy never had a problem, and does AAS, and never has the same problem.
 
What I'm trying to say is that I was overweight at one point, not alot. And if someone claims it was because I was ignorant or lazy... then I say i'll kick there ass now @ 6'6 245 and decent MMA skills; bjj/kickboxing to a moderate level. That is all.
 
CryingEmo said:
What I'm trying to say is that I was overweight at one point, not alot. And if someone claims it was because I was ignorant or lazy... then I say i'll kick there ass now @ 6'6 245 and decent MMA skills; bjj/kickboxing to a moderate level. That is all.
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dude your 6 frickin 6..........
 
I think y'all missed the satirical humour of the clip and degraded that wonderful comedy into some kind of lowly in real life debate.... :(

Much Love

Neoborn.
 
neoborn said:
I think y'all missed the satirical humour of the clip and degraded that wonderful comedy into some kind of lowly in real life debate.... :(

Much Love

Neoborn.
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huh?
 
Yeah so all you genetically skinny bastards better run... or i'll... turn up dashboard confessionals really loudly...
 
it's so easy a therapist could do it.......:type:
 
CryingEmo said:
Don't you mean trip's mom has never seen her feet?
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i just got dissed by a six foot six cat.......dont make me break out my voodo dolls fukcer.........:smite:
 
i hate cats..but this is funny
 

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she has, I just get up and leave the room when I'm done with her, I don't know what she does when I leave. But when I get there she's always in the same spot waiting.
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She usually goes for a ride on the crane... when it excavates her from the house
 
CDB said:
Inflation is the major part of it, and people are not so much keeping up with the Joneses as they are trying to keep up with the standard of living they've come to expect but can't easily afford anymore
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I really don't agree with you on it. I honestly do not see how soccor moms are simply "trying to keep up with their standard of living they've come to expect" when they are demanding SUVs instead of the astro van/mini van they've grown up with. or the 36 inch tv they were used to living with, now for some reason has to be a 50 inch PLASMA or LCD.....

I believe the standard of living today is MUCH better than it used to be when "inflation" was not such problem. Im not going to pretend that i'm the know it all about the inner workings of inflation but by the looks of it, life looks pretty good unless you are trying to outdo your neighbors...

-back in the 60's 70's or even 80's...
*how many people owned their own home?
*how many people owned cars worth almost half of their entire yearly salary if not more?


CDB said:
You, I, and everyone else have a right to expect to have the opportunity to live better than our parents and grandparents did. We are not supposed to be damned to poverty, life is supposed to get better and we have every right to expect it to. And if living better means more kitchen gadgets, brand name this or that, so be it.
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I agree with you completely, but we are all living better than our previous ancestors, we are simply going alittle "overboard" with our need to "have MORE NOW". Inflation is not damning us to "poverty"......if so why is it that.....

*46% of all poor households own their own home and only 6% of those are overcrowded (im sure poor people "back then " didn't own their own home)
*75% of the poor households own their own car and 30% own TWO or more cars
*97% have at least one color t.v. and over 50 % have more than one

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CDB said:
With the increase in raw production and productivity over the years the dollar should be worth a lot, and it's actually worth a lot less than what it used to be.
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if everything is worth so much less, why is everyone getting so much more? by the way, that was a rhetorical question.

keeping up with the Jones', overspending, outdoing the neighbors = two working parents.

poverty, income levels, quality of life, is all what you make of it, not luck, faith, or lack of options.
 
Mrs. Gimpy said:
I agree with you completely, but we are all living better than our previous ancestors, we are simply going alittle "overboard" with our need to "have MORE NOW". Inflation is not damning us to "poverty"......if so why is it that.....
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Because if the money you make today is not a reliable store of value and will be worth diddly **** in the future, the incentive is to spend it and turn it into reall goods and services as soon as possible rather than save it.

everything is worth so much less, why is everyone getting so much more? by the way, that was a rhetorical question.
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IT may have been, but the answer is production and productivity do still increase under inflationary conditions. Some of the increases aren't based on real funding is all, and when credit and liquidity get strained the revenue from those streams dries up. A TV today is a different good than a TV 50 years ago, as are cars and other such goods.

poverty, income levels, quality of life, is all what you make of it, not luck, faith, or lack of options.
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Only to the extent that someone isn't quashing your future income, devaluing your savings, and setting the incentives to be the reverse of what they are supposed to be. The government can't maintain an inflationary economy unless people spend like drunken sailors, and even then it's shaky. Inflation is just monetized debt in the end, more government spending. What that means is it eats up people's incomes just as much as taxes do, just in another way. The raw increase in money and credit at this point is many, many times the original stock of money a credit that was available even 40 - 50 years ago. That's a huge devauation.
 
fat people are fat and thats all ive got to say except this does anyone just watch the first and the last eposides of the biggest loser to see how much weight someone can lose,without sawing off any limbs.:donut: :burger: :burg: :pizza:
 
CNorris: How many obese people have you met, who took the time to eat healthy and exercise regularly, simply could not lose any weight due to genetics?

Maybe it's just my experience, but I don't often see fat people chowing down on a chicken salad. The kids that were fat when I went to school drank pop and ate candy bars. And you can't blame parents for that, even in school they teach what foods are healthy. In gym class, I never saw the fat kids working their ass off. They showed neither effort nor ability. They're the one's who would sit around, do nothing.

I'm not saying you're wrong, genetics plays a role in almost every aspect of life. I'm just saying it isn't the cause of our exploding obesity epidemic; laziness is.
 
the nature vs. nurture (genetics vs. what you eat) has already been tested. How many fat people were in the concentration camps after the holocaust? Sure some may not have the same metabolism as others but its really a simple numbers game when you break it down, if you burn more than you take in you will lose weight, and if you burn less than you take in you will more than likely gain weight in some form
 
greenwing7 said:
the nature vs. nurture (genetics vs. what you eat) has already been tested. How many fat people were in the concentration camps after the holocaust? Sure some may not have the same metabolism as others but its really a simple numbers game when you break it down, if you burn more than you take in you will lose weight, and if you burn less than you take in you will more than likely gain weight in some form
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Exactly. The genetics just make it harder/easier for some people because they favor low/high energy usage to begin with. I've lost a lot of weight before, it just takes a ****load of discipline and calorie control to what for me are annoyingly low levels. So, I'm fatter than I otherwise would be, because I can't stand the small meals I'd have to eat otherwise. It's all a matter of choice and self control in the end though.
 
I have three kids by the same father. Two of which are skinny one is getting a belly om her but has thin arms and legs. They all eat the same thing. We preach fitness in our house, eat clean . go to the gym. All my kids are eating potein bars.

My daughter has her dads genetics. She is getting obssesed with being over weight and is miserable.

We do not allow her to binge on junk. She will go to the gym with us when she is old enough. She does ride her bike and play outside...
 
crader said:
I have three kids by the same father. Two of which are skinny one is getting a belly om her but has thin arms and legs. They all eat the same thing. We preach fitness in our house, eat clean . go to the gym. All my kids are eating potein bars.

My daughter has her dads genetics. She is getting obssesed with being over weight and is miserable.

We do not allow her to binge on junk. She will go to the gym with us when she is old enough. She does ride her bike and play outside...
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It's awesome if you can put your kids on a path to health and fitness at an early age :thumbsup: You've already done half the battle for them.

Your young daughter could also benefit from team sports if she can't join the gym yet. Youth sports could also help your daughter discover other strengths she might not be aware of. She could gain more self esteem by being in a team which could help a lot since it sounds as if she's miserable.
 
We tried her in martial arts and she will be going back in to it eventually. But she just isn't cordinated. And since i'm divorced and her father is now fat, I cant control what they eat at his house.

She tries very hard to eat clean but she is a kid, so limited sweets are a treat for her. They are all interested in protein content and my Golds has a fake gym equip section in the play area and they all pretend to workout.
 
crader said:
I have three kids by the same father. Two of which are skinny one is getting a belly om her but has thin arms and legs. They all eat the same thing. We preach fitness in our house, eat clean . go to the gym. All my kids are eating potein bars.

My daughter has her dads genetics. She is getting obssesed with being over weight and is miserable.

We do not allow her to binge on junk. She will go to the gym with us when she is old enough. She does ride her bike and play outside...
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You're doing the right thing. No matter how much kids want to each junk to satiate their hunger, they will thank you in the future when they're in shape. Then again, they may take it for granted and blame you for ruining the childhood. But at least you know you did the right thing.
 
Thats is one thing I do feel sorry for in this world,is fat kids,how they're all happy when they're 6-8 yrs old,not realizing that life is about to just beat them down into a pulp as they start to realize how society views them as being a fat a$$.....Someone should stuf a big mac down their parnets throat til' they choke on it,its not the kids fault,kids are like pets,they only know what their parents teach them,and only get what their parents provide for them...its very sad...
 
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