Whats your thoughts? Should sports just allow them to TRY and even the playing field?
But is the example based on stigma of "cheating"? I would agree for health based reasons they shouldn't touch it, but it seems many of the opinions of why it shouldn't be allowed in the majors is based solely off an inaccurate stigma.I would say sure, but it sets bad example for younger kids. Then even more will try PEDs at high school age.
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I don't think it's fair to the guy who has no intentions of using PEDs to have to compete against someone who is using them
The older ones are dropping like flies because of it.At least the WWE, doesn't use them.
And even if it was, I think there needs to be a distinction between "Sane" and "Olympia Contender" dosages as far as safety goes. "They" have one golden boy - Lyle Alzado - and that's been debunked by quite a few impartial medical professionals. No Shortstop wants to be Phil Heath.Not saying it was all steroid related though.
The number of bb'ers dying from the 90's is troubling as well. Lots of heart issues.And even if it was, I think there needs to be a distinction between "Sane" and "Olympia Contender" dosages as far as safety goes. "They" have one golden boy - Lyle Alzado - and that's been debunked by quite a few impartial medical professionals. No Shortstop wants to be Phil Heath.
I agree, the amount used for athletic performance enhancement is less than what's used to grow larger than life.And even if it was, I think there needs to be a distinction between "Sane" and "Olympia Contender" dosages as far as safety goes. "They" have one golden boy - Lyle Alzado - and that's been debunked by quite a few impartial medical professionals. No Shortstop wants to be Phil Heath.
If that's the case would you agree then that the leagues and organizations should do a more thorough job to ensure no one is using, then? Because right now, plenty of guys are. Only a tiny fraction ever get caught.I don't think it should be. Obviously most disagree with me, but IMO it takes away the integrity of the game.
I think this statement nails it, why would it be fair for a professional sports player to use AAS or any other PEDs, but everyone else couldn't?if something is still federally illegal, then you certainly shouldn't be encouraging its use.
Absolutely. However, how do you do that? Drug test before every game? In the NFL, there's 32 teams with 53 players. That's a lot of drug tests. I'd imagine from a cost perspective, even though football is a billion dollar enterprise, it isn't feasible.If that's the case would you agree then that the leagues and organizations should do a more thorough job to ensure no one is using, then? Because right now, plenty of guys are. Only a tiny fraction ever get caught.
Steroids can't improve your hand eye coordination.
As for how to ensure everyone is clean -- mandatory drug testing every ____. Whatever that window is, it has to make sure there isn't enough time to take something and have it clear the system. And in the off-season, too -- not just during the season. Would it be expensive? YEP! Sure would be! But if that's what you want to present to the public, then go ahead and do it. If I have to pay $150 for an "authentic" jersey and $25 just to get a drink and a burger at your game, then I don't want to hear you whine about costs when we've all seen the numbers that owners bring in especially with the new tv deals the leagues and teams keep getting.Absolutely. However, how do you do that? Drug test before every game? In the NFL, there's 32 teams with 53 players. That's a lot of drug tests. I'd imagine from a cost perspective, even though football is a billion dollar enterprise, it isn't feasible.
In MMA/Boxing, IMO it shifts focus away from who has the better train, skill. Cyborg got busted a few years back for doing massive amounts of roids. When she gets in the ring and destroys some chick, how is that anywhere near fair. Clearly, her steroid use gave her an advantage that she didn't have with skill alone.
As far as integrity, if sports allow PEDs, then sports aren't near as interesting. There's not that awe factor. The natural talent. The Lawrence Taylor type of skill (even though he was a coke head). The Michael Jordan. It's just a bunch of grown men on roids. That's cool - but couldn't that be anybody? It's no longer a select group of athletes with remarkable skill.
*I just woke up so if this doesn't make a lot of sense I'll try again later.*
Steroids can't improve your hand eye coordination. If a baseball player sucks at batting he's always going to suck, taking steroids didn't make those guys the best home run hitters.
IIRC, I thought something improved vision slightly (though I'm blanked at the moment).You sure about that?
Well as far as I know, yes. LolYou sure about that?
Yes but I did read evidence that it does sharpen your skills/coordination even further.Regardless, unless you turn into a robot nothing can make you put the bat to ball except for your own skill. Until someone convinces me otherwise of a PED that can help you do that.
Cyborg tho was a case of a woman using hormones to make herself more manlike as far as musculature and strength/power goes. Thats a whole new equation when she gets in the ring and fights women who don't have that. Its like Fallon Fox getting in the ring with women when she developed and matured completely as a man. Her entire physiology is different from the other women. So when a woman uses something similar to testosterone that in my opinion is 2x as unfair as a man doing so because all men have much higher levels of test then women do. So when Cyborg got popped for stanozolol, her opponents were essentially stepping in the ring with a man. And there is a reason there is not a major organization that would sanction a man vs woman fight, it just would not be fair on any level. Unless she was like Cyborg.In MMA/Boxing, IMO it shifts focus away from who has the better train, skill. Cyborg got busted a few years back for doing massive amounts of roids. When she gets in the ring and destroys some chick, how is that anywhere near fair. Clearly, her steroid use gave her an advantage that she didn't have with skill alone.*
I'm sure it dose some. But I don't think it does to the degree of making someone go from nothing to something.Yes but I did read evidence that it does sharpen your skills/coordination even further.
This also was the argument when the tiger woods rumors were going around of steroid use.
Cyborg tho was a case of a woman using hormones to make herself more manlike as far as musculature and strength/power goes. Thats a whole new equation when she gets in the ring and fights women who don't have that. Its like Fallon Fox getting in the ring with women when she developed and matured completely as a man. Her entire physiology is different from the other women. So when a woman uses something similar to testosterone that in my opinion is 2x as unfair as a man doing so because all men have much higher levels of test then women do. So when Cyborg got popped for stanozolol, her opponents were essentially stepping in the ring with a man. And there is a reason there is not a major organization that would sanction a man vs woman fight, it just would not be fair on any level. Unless she was like Cyborg.
But if the PEDs were somehow monitored as to what they were using so as to not allow them to make themselves superhuman like Overreem did, but to increase their ability to heal and recover from their battle wounds, I think that would be beneficial. Not to say other sports don't cause a lot of injuries but I can't think of a single one that causes as many injuries as MMA and those that have long careers are beat to hell and back from years of training and competing. Anderson Silva got busted and I would like to believe he was only using PEDs to come back from his busted leg. He could have been on something during his champion term as well, but it'd be nice to believe he wasn't.
I will say that some need to know when its time to step away, but that is neither here nor there, because there are cases of that in all sports.
No thats not what I meant by that at all. All I was saying was that in my opinion it is 2x as unfair for a woman to use testosterone or other testosterone like substances as it is for a man to use test like substances in the realm of combat sports. Had she been on GH or something that doesn't in essence turn her into a man while she is on it, then it would be different in my eyes. Still cheating as the current rules are but not to the extent I see a woman on test like substances. Its hard to convey my thoughts on that one via typed words. But to me looking at the physiological levels of testosterone in women naturally, even those with high levels of natural testosterone, are not going to have as much as even a man with low testosterone (provided he doesn't have extremely low levels). So elevating a womans androgen levels to that of a male, makes her as powerful as a man in the short term. And since women don't have the bone structure that men do, it makes her increased power that much more effective.I wasn't able to read all of this and I apologize but I'm in class.
But, it's okay for a man to take PEDs and not women? Or is it okay for men to take them bc a lot of them do but women don't?
Regarding the "let them do it at their own risk" ideology... That puts the league and team at risk. If you turn a blind eye and allow your unionized players to break federal law, that's going to be a nightmare. Further, if you allow them to do PED, why not let them do crack or snort cocaine without punishment.
Are you only going to discipline someone if the DEA/FBI/etc. catches them? That's also nightmare.
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