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Does that make sense?
No, it doesn't.Does that make sense?
this, if anything you can switch to shorter ester to help clear out test at a faster rate. switch to Test prop of the last 2-3 weeks. by PCT, previous enanthate or cyp ester would start to clear out. BTW it takes 2 months for enantake/cyp to clear.No, it doesn't.
... If it did, it would make More sense to take zero Test on the last week.
well the more you take the longer it takes to leave your system. A few cruise weeks would be out quicker than if u did 500-1000mg. So you’d need to wait longer with a higher doseNo, it doesn't.
... If it did, it would make More sense to take zero Test on the last week.
.... And we know that it takes more Anabolics, not less, the longer we're on cycle.well the more you take the longer it takes to leave your system. A few cruise weeks would be out quicker than if u did 500-1000mg. So you’d need to wait longer with a higher dose
Are you looking for good advice or are you just looking for someone to agree with you...well the more you take the longer it takes to leave your system. A few cruise weeks would be out quicker than if u did 500-1000mg. So you’d need to wait longer with a higher dose
The only scenario where I see dropping to a cruise before pct being benificial is "maybe" if your going to cruise for a long time after a cut cycle where you got absolutely shredded, then cruise 6-8 weeks while slowly increasing your food In a fashion like someone would do coming out of a show. But let's be real here. There's probably 5 people or less on this forum who are getting pealed like that and the rest of us are usually finishing there cut at 10-15% bodyfat. But running a 12 week cycle or something like that and on week 10 reducing your dose is not going to make pct come faster or sooner. It will slow down the decline in testosterone..... And we know that it takes more Anabolics, not less, the longer we're on cycle.
So you'd be prolonging your shutdown longer for little or no reason.
So like I said ... You'd be better off Stopping the cycle, than lowering dosages.
I feel like for the last 20 years everyone's been saying wait 2 weeks and start PCT with no rhyme or reason behind it. So if you got blood 2 weeks after and your levels came back at 500, that's not your testosterone levels that's the exogenous testosterone registering at 500I have a much better understanding now thanks. Been doing it wrong.
I normally blast at 400 then stop 14-16 days before bloods. I normally post like a 400-500.
Even when I'm cruising at trt (200) I have to watch when bloods are because I know that has to have me above normal.
I think next shot I'm going with 150.
I think I look much leaner stronger on a fucking cruise anyway.
If you wanted to be 100% positive then yes you could do that, but in my opinion, after 3-4 weeks it should be low enough that you could start pct no problem or go to trt. As with everything hormonal blood work is the only way to be 100% positive. And if 400 test is your blast I would highly doubt that's going to do any serious damage to your health, if any at all. If you got bloods 3 weeks after your last pin you should have a good enough understanding of where everything's at and know what you should doI realized that now with your post.
I need to let it all clear for what a month..
Then do bloods, then again two weeks after my first trt dose correct?
First, great advice in this thread and you're giving people good direction on how to think about these things, once again.The only scenario where I see dropping to a cruise before pct being benificial is "maybe" if your going to cruise for a long time after a cut cycle where you got absolutely shredded, then cruise 6-8 weeks while slowly increasing your food In a fashion like someone would do coming out of a show. But let's be real here. There's probably 5 people or less on this forum who are getting pealed like that and the rest of us are usually finishing there cut at 10-15% bodyfat. But running a 12 week cycle or something like that and on week 10 reducing your dose is not going to make pct come faster or sooner. It will slow down the decline in testosterone.
Example.
If your running 500per week with a drug that has a 7 day half life. The next week there's still 250 left over and you add 500 more so below is the amount of testosterone building up each week.
1.500
2.750
3.1000
And so on. At week 10 you have 3000mg of testosterone in your system. Every 7 days without a shot that number cuts in half
1500
750
375
Even on week 4 your technically on a trt dose still.
But if at week 10 you dropped to a cruise dose your still adding more testosterone to your body and that is going to slow down the elimination of the drug. So if you cruise 150
7 days after you stop the 500
1500 + the 150=1650
7days after that 825 + another 150=975
And so on.
Your better off stoping test completely for the fastest decline in hormones
Actually your numbers are 100% right, that's why it takes 4 to 5 weeks to reach peak levels. I just spit out some numbers real quick to give an idea of how it builds up. Good catchFirst, great advice in this thread and you're giving people good direction on how to think about these things, once again.
Just touching the mathematic part a bit in your example scenario. With the 7 day half life, wouldn't there allways be only half of the amount of what was left of the pin 7 days ago?
Meaning:
1. 500
2. 250+500=750
3. 125+250+500=875
4. 62,5+125+250+500=937,5
5. 31,25+62,5+125+250+500=968,75
And so on. Basically hitting a 1 000 at 12th week and never really going up from that (the increment is so low)
Even so if you're at a thousand on your last pin, it's going to cut itself in half each week you don't use it, so on week 4 your still on a low "ish" trt dose of 125. And if you continue with trt from there it should be steady unless your cruising on 250 like so many people do, then you could probably start a week earlier.Actually your numbers are 100% right, that's why it takes 4 to 5 weeks to reach peak levels. I just spit out some numbers real quick to give an idea of how it builds up. Good catch
I’m I’m blasting 1000mg I’m gonna have to wait a month to have it leave my system. If I have 2-3 weeks of 100mg I’ll still have normal levels to work to keep the gains and be able to start pct sooner than I would if I was taking 1000mg because it would take longer to get out of my systemNo, it doesn't.
... If it did, it would make More sense to take zero Test on the last week.
If you're waiting for it to clear, you've already got Test in your system.I’m I’m blasting 1000mg I’m gonna have to wait a month to have it leave my system. If I have 2-3 weeks of 100mg I’ll still have normal levels to work to keep the gains and be able to start pct sooner than I would if I was taking 1000mg because it would take longer to get out of my system
You're not getting it man, just do whatever you want and stop asking ppl. Dropping to 100 mg for 2 to 3 weeks isn't going to help you do anything now if you drop to 100 mg for maybe two to three months and then stopped yes you could start PCT fairly soon but honestly none of it makes sense anyways because there's no reason to start PCT sooner. Just don't come here asking questions when you don't really want to know the answer. All you're looking for is someone to agree with you and no one here is going to agree with youI’m I’m blasting 1000mg I’m gonna have to wait a month to have it leave my system. If I have 2-3 weeks of 100mg I’ll still have normal levels to work to keep the gains and be able to start pct sooner than I would if I was taking 1000mg because it would take longer to get out of my system
You need to see the contradiction in both your claims here. It's illogical and physically impossible (nigh on) for both these claims to make sense and be simultaneously true/accurate.I’m I’m blasting 1000mg I’m gonna have to wait a month to have it leave my system. If I have 2-3 weeks of 100mg I’ll still have normal levels
Your wasting your time, we all are.You need to see the contradiction in both your claims here. It's illogical and physically impossible (nigh on) for both these claims to make sense and be simultaneously true/accurate.
Ugh, lol I know, it's just frustrating seeing him not grasp the points you guys have made.Your wasting your time, we all are.
No he's right, if he stops pinning 1000 on week 10 and switches to 100 on week 11 he will only have to let 100mg to let clear and he can start pct on Saturday. Sounds like a good plan now that I think about it.Ugh, lol I know, it's just frustrating seeing him not grasp the points you guys have made.
Yeah that’s what I meantAlthough everything has been said already, I'll insert my estimation of two example options. You can indeed begin your pct earlier, regarding the time spent on the whole process, but it requires you to cut your blast shorter.
Weeks 1-12: Blast
Weeks 13-16: Waiting the test to clear
Week 17: Start pct
Or
Weeks 1-9: Blast
Weeks 10-12: Low dose test and waiting the higher amount of test to come down
Weeks 13-14: Waiting the test to clear
Week 15: Start pct
The test is given 4 weeks to clear from the blast levels in the examples, since you said "I’m blasting 1000mg I’m gonna have to wait a month to have it leave my system."
Everything is always your decision, brother...Yeah that’s what I meant
In both of the examples given you are waiting longer for the test to clear by lowering the dose, blast ends week 12, start pct week 17. That's 5 weeks.Yeah that’s what I meant
that’s not how it works brother, it takes 5 half lives to clear to an insignificant level, dosage isn’t really relevant (unless you are talking extreme amounts).well the more you take the longer it takes to leave your system. A few cruise weeks would be out quicker than if u did 500-1000mg. So you’d need to wait longer with a higher dose
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