Should I give 7-Methoxyflavone a try?

Shiznown

Shiznown

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Long post, but I would appreciate advise.
My estradiol hovers around 28. The last time I had a blood test my Total T was 495 and my free T was 93.1. The reference for Free T I believe was something like 80-270 dL I think. I'd have to dig to find the paper. Here is the thing though, I have been dealing with severe allergies for 3 years and sleep apnea on and off and when I had my tests done I had apnea though it was mild. Now I don't have apnea(unless triggered by allergies) but have allergies and am receiving shots.I'm starting to feel better, but I'm not great yet. My old doctor left last month and she put in an order for more blood work, but the order expires at the end of October. I am looking to use something to try and get my test levels optimal for when I take my blood test at the end of October and something that I can take daily, or 5 days on 2 days off sort of cycle. I do have arthritis in some of my joints, so I have been hesitant to try and AI, but it seems like the only thing that will really work and I am guessing that increased total t and free t would make my joints feel better even with less estrogen. I also want to loose fat and my body likes to hover around 228 pounds no matter how low I try to cut. Any advise is appreciated, thank you.
 
ryanp81 said:
7-Methoxy is absolutely worthless.
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Is 7,8 Benzoflavone also? I was looking at both and while 7,8 Benzoflavone has more data, the only sup I found with it is Balowe's Elixir, which is a fine brand but it also has Phophatidylserinein it that it states can cause bloating. I can't take anything that causes bloating because of my acid reflux surgery.
 
If you are familiar with Sustain Alpha(S.A.); we required the licencing rights to it, and it has been on the market for over a decade. It's a transdermal of both 7,8 Benzoflavone and Resveratrol.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/208310-sustain-alpha-gel.html

Both ingredients have positive effects on testosterone, and Resveratrol has some aromitaze inhibiting properties, which will bring down your estrogen. The transdermal carrier allows for enhanced absorption of the ingrediants and once daily dosing.

You can use the code in my Sig, but I believe we have a Labor Day sale going on as well, so check out the promo section. Supremacy has our while line at 20% off as well right now.

Anyway: PM me if you have any questions or search around on here. Lots of Info and threads on S.A. going back to when Primordial Performance first released it.

EDIT: I also agree that Methoxy is useless. Maybe it looks fine on paper, but doesn't pan out in actual use.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
If you are familiar with Sustain Alpha(S.A.); we required the licencing rights to it, and it has been on the market for over a decade. It's a transdermal of both 7,8 Benzoflavone and Resveratrol.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/208310-sustain-alpha-gel.html

Both ingredients have positive effects on testosterone, and Resveratrol has some aromitaze inhibiting properties, which will bring down your estrogen. The transdermal carrier allows for enhanced absorption of the ingrediants and once daily dosing.

You can use the code in my Sig, but I believe we have a Labor Day sale going on as well, so check out the promo section. Supremacy has our while line at 20% off as well right now.

Anyway: PM me if you have any questions or search around on here. Lots of Info and threads on S.A. going back to when Primordial Performance first released it.

EDIT: I also agree that Methoxy is useless. Maybe it looks fine on paper, but doesn't pan out in actual use.
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Thank you. Does 7,8 Benzoflavone and Resveratrol have poor oral bioavailability? I forgot, I did take 7,8 Benzoflavone before.I remember using Dermacrine about 2 years ago or so and it was from another company at that time I'm pretty sure. It did make me feel better, but I switched to this oral product with similar ingredients(can't remember but think most of the ingredients were the same) but by the same company. The blood work didn't turn out good, but I got bloods about 3 weeks maybe 4 after switching to the oral product, which I'm guessing the ingredients in the pills weren't that good orally and I don't see that product at all on the new site and assume that is why. I'm definitely interested in giving Sustained Alpha a go though. Can I take it daily, or do I have to do the 5 days on 2 off thing and if I do have to do that, would I get any noticeable dip in hormone levels for those two days off a week?
 
Shiznown Not too sure what oral product you used, that was similar to Dermacrine. We are at least the fourth company to licence Dermacrine and probably the third to licence S.A. over the years, so it's hard to say. Primordial Performance(P.P.) did have an oral liquid vade version, and theres an Australian company that does a capped product similar to S.A. Anecdotal evidence seems to favor transdermal delivery of these ingredients, and support that notion of poor oral bioavailability.

As for cycling: I run S.A. almost year around. Before P.P went out of business, they were suggesting no need to cycle 5 on, 2 off for long-term use, even though they had previously recommended it. I personally run it 5 on, 2 off for both cost(really extends that bottle) and because I believe the body eventually apapts to anything. However, if you were running a shorter cycle(< 12 weeks) I'd run it every day.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Shiznown Not too sure what oral product you used, that was similar to Dermacrine. We are at least the fourth company to licence Dermacrine and probably the third to licence S.A. over the years, so it's hard to say. Primordial Performance(P.P.) did have an oral liquid vade version, and theres an Australian company that does a capped product similar to S.A. Anecdotal evidence seems to favor transdermal delivery of these ingredients, and support that notion of poor oral bioavailability.

As for cycling: I run S.A. almost year around. Before P.P went out of business, they were suggesting no need to cycle 5 on, 2 off for long-term use, even though they had previously recommended it. I personally run it 5 on, 2 off for both cost(really extends that bottle) and because I believe the body eventually apapts to anything. However, if you were running a shorter cycle(< 12 weeks) I'd run it every day.
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And levels don't really dip too much on off days right? I might run it 8 weeks straight then do the 5 on 2 off.
 
Shiznown said:
And levels don't really dip too much on off days right? I might run it 8 weeks straight then do the 5 on 2 off.
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I don't have the evidence to back it up, but my guess would be: No. Natty boosters don't necessarily raise your test levels as much as they help you utilise, maximize and capitalize on the levels you already have. IE: increased libido, erection quality, mood improvement, energy levels, etc...

The amount of increase you would experience from a booster would most likely take a bit longer than 48 hours to get back to an original base line(if not higher one) and for all noticeable effects to fade. Same with any lowering effects on estrogen levels.

I at least, do not notice much of a dip myself. I usually take Sunday and Monday off, because I statistically have always had less sexual encounters on those days.
 
e2 at 28 (if pg/ml using lc/ms/ms) is right in healthy male range. i feel best when in 30's (as does all cause mortality studies show in that range) and was 31.5 last test - wouldn't mind seeing what 35 or even slightly above would feel like. e2 good for many things - sex drive, hdl/ldl, joints lubrication, muscle building (see cow trenbolone study - yes, we not cow, but...lol). also, while i never "cycle", i believe there is also test to est "ratio" - where even 40s-50's ok and desired if test at cycle dosages - but have to check in anabolic forum probably. if fat, eat less :-) most likely not estrogen cause unless nipples hurt bad :-)
 
if you want to shave a little off estrogen without crushing it, 7,8 benzoflavone is a great option. it's actually pretty effective, you just don't want to use a heavy dose. I would guess that 2-3 pumps of Sustain Alpha would be perfect.

if you wanted to give it a try, great time to snatch up a bottle for the Labor Day sale...not much time left to jump on that.
 
Guys, I found out what pills I was talking about; Epidrone by BPS Nutrition. Saw info on it just now and the ingredients were way different. Only thing I'm worried about with Sustain is the alcohol and getting a rash, I can probably apply it to my legs though.
 
Shiznown said:
Guys, I found out what pills I was talking about; Epidrone by BPS Nutrition. Saw info on it just now and the ingredients were way different. Only thing I'm worried about with Sustain is the alcohol and getting a rash, I can probably apply it to my legs though.
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Best application spots are going to be any areas with thin skin. Most popular seem to be traps and clavicle, chest, inner biceps and wrists/forearms. Some people will apply to their inner thighs. Tops of feet are real thin, so a great place to shoot for. And a little S.A. right on the boys is always a classic.

You want to cover as much skin as possibly, to be honest. Will help maximize absorption. Luckily Sustain Alpha pumps are decently sized, so that shouldn't be a problem. S.A. is dosed according to body weight. Two pumps covers my chest, clav, traps, upper shoulders. 3 or 4 pumps wouldn't be to hard.

If you're worried about a rash, you can always try rotating you're application spots, or follow up with some moisturizer later in the day.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Best application spots are going to be any areas with thin skin. Most popular seem to be traps and clavicle, chest, inner biceps and wrists/forearms. Some people will apply to their inner thighs. Tops of feet are real thin, so a great place to shoot for. And a little S.A. right on the boys is always a classic.

You want to cover as much skin as possibly, to be honest. Will help maximize absorption. Luckily Sustain Alpha pumps are decently sized, so that shouldn't be a problem. S.A. is dosed according to body weight. Two pumps covers my chest, clav, traps, upper shoulders. 3 or 4 pumps wouldn't be to hard.

If you're worried about a rash, you can always try rotating you're application spots, or follow up with some moisturizer later in the day.
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sound advice!!!
 
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