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Seems the Old Myth is Actually True

MrKleen73 said:
I love this guy....

I have fun helping people to understand how the body works and try to help but typically the people you see focusing heavily on the minutia are not taking the basics as far as they can yet and already looking for ways to tweak it.

Will 3 second tempo sissy squats with my heels together make my quads grow and get a better sweep? Sure, but nothing like what full ROM heavy barbell squats will make your entire body grow alongside those quads...
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Here’s a quote from Arnold back in 1977 in an interview with Oui Magazine:
There are bodybuilders who are afraid of indulging in sex or even of playing other sports for fear of harming their bodies. I think that's silly. What's the use of building your body if you don't use it? At the Mr. Olympia contest in 1972, we had girls backstage giving head, then all of us went out and I won. It didn't bother me at all; in fact, I went out there feeling like King Kong.
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Who here is better than Arnold and the other golden era Mr. Olympia competitors?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yep, that is what I mentioned as well. I have had sex several times just before heading to the gym and typically there is not a major effect. If i am not using a pre workout then I notice I tend to be more relaxed at the gym. However if using a preworkout I am basically over riding the body telling me to relax by taking strong CNS stimulants.
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Myth busters had the boxer winky wright do tests on cycling and punching power, then they sent him to a hotel with his wife and come back and re test again and his leg power and punching power increased. It's a bull**** myth
 
Smont said:
Myth busters had the boxer winky wright do tests on cycling and punching power, then they sent him to a hotel with his wife and come back and re test again and his leg power and punching power increased. It's a bull**** myth
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Interesting, I might have to look into that. Although one person does not necessarily prove or disprove anything there. It was one person in a word of individuals. I would also be curious on the timing there. More for information than to try to prove or disprove anything.

What is not a myth is all of the various compounds released after ejaculation that definitely do cause relaxation. That is scientifically proven and unquestionable aspect of human biology. How much those express themselves will definitely be individual, and in some people possibly not even have a noticeable effect on them. However some others on the other end of the spectrum can barely stay awake after sex.

I am in no way saying that abstaining has performance benefits. However if you are a person who gets tired right after sex then you are probably not going to have as good of a workout right after sex. If you are not then you will probably not notice much of a difference at all.

muscleupcrohn said:
Not to mention one NFL player cited his teammate’s breakout year with him getting married and finally having sex.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.w...credits-sex-as-the-reason-for-breakout-season
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Correlation = Causation now? Again not saying that couldn't be the reason but if so I would venture to say it was probably a psychological reason moreso than a hormonal reason which is the typically the implication from both sides recommending for or against abstinence to improve performance.

More importantly none of that changes the fact that all of this is still concentrating on the minutia when there are for more productive things to give our attention to. Still fun to discuss and exercise the mind...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Interesting, I might have to look into that. Although one person does not necessarily prove or disprove anything there. It was one person in a word of individuals. I would also be curious on the timing there. More for information than to try to prove or disprove anything.

What is not a myth is all of the various compounds released after ejaculation that definitely do cause relaxation. That is scientifically proven and unquestionable aspect of human biology. How much those express themselves will definitely be individual, and in some people possibly not even have a noticeable effect on them. However some others on the other end of the spectrum can barely stay awake after sex.

I am in no way saying that abstaining has performance benefits. However if you are a person who gets tired right after sex then you are probably not going to have as good of a workout right after sex. If you are not then you will probably not notice much of a difference at all.



Correlation = Causation now? Again not saying that couldn't be the reason but if so I would venture to say it was probably a psychological reason moreso than a hormonal reason which is the typically the implication from both sides recommending for or against abstinence to improve performance.

More importantly none of that changes the fact that all of this is still concentrating on the minutia when there are for more productive things to give our attention to. Still fun to discuss and exercise the mind...
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I’m not saying correlation is causation, only that for every anecdote where someone swears it’s bad, there’s another who says the opposite, so the anecdotes are essentially meaningless.

Furthermore, it’s one thing to say don’t have sex immediately before working out, but that’s really not even the topic 99% of the time this is brought up; it’s people claiming they’ll get so many benefits from abstaining entirely, not just immediately pre-workout. Huge difference there.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I’m not saying correlation is causation, only that for every anecdote where someone swears it’s bad, there’s another who says the opposite, so the anecdotes are essentially meaningless.

Furthermore, it’s one thing to say don’t have sex immediately before working out, but that’s really not even the topic 99% of the time this is brought up; it’s people claiming they’ll get so many benefits from abstaining entirely, not just immediately pre-workout. Huge difference there.
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I know you weren't saying correlation is causation. I was being silly probably didn't come across that way but that was the intent.

Oh I agree 100%!!!! That is typically not the focus of this discussion at all. I completely agree that abstinence in general offers no performance benefit at all. A lot of what I was discussing came from the statements made here...

baham99 said:
Ever since I was 17 I've been seriously wonderin about the ejaculation - testosterone relationship. I've read all the science, about the increase and decrease in levels prior and after. But in the end, let me offer what 4 years of experimenting has yielded. ;) (Btw, I'm not kidding. I have tried to eliminate as many variables as possible on repeated occasions just so I can isolate the effect.

The Inspiration:

One day, years ago, on a boring afternoon, armed with a new internet connection and an empty house, I liberated myself 4-5 times. Later that evening, in the gym, each side of my body was stronger by roughly 10-15+ lbs. Combined bench went up by over 30 lbs. I had no initially made the connection, until I realized later I could no longer perform close to the same weight. That was an isolated time.

The hypothesis:

Wackin it increases testosterone and subsequently strength. Natural PH u might say.

Conclusion:

WRONG. In fact, upon each trial, I was *decisively* more fatigued in lifting post-"playin with it". (By fatigued I mean low lifting intensity, endurance, as well as decreased overall explosive power.)

New Experiment:

If I make absinence the norm, (no ejaculation same day or prior to lifting), and ejaculation the weaker end, then sexual stimulation WITHOUT ejaculation must be a new scenario that needs testing.

Result:

JACKPOT!!!! I guarantee this to anyone right now. Million dollar challenge. If any of you spend half an hour watching very good porn, or engaging in foreplay with your woman (better result than any self-stimulation), your gym results for that day will be phenomenal!!! Whatever you expected to do that day, given the diet and sleep, will increase like you just took a super PH supplement. I kid you know. I warn you, this takes discipline. If you accidently decide to cum, you'll make yourself so tired and weak you'll ruin the gym session.

Conclusion:

The amount of testosterone and other chemicals (adrenaline, etc.) stimulated through sexual arousal are unrivaled for an immediate strength boost. The more aroused you are, for longer the duration, is directly proportional to the curve of increased performance. In math terms, you can express the benefits of strength from the increased testosterone as a function of horniness. (not the general frustrated kind, but maaaajor blue-ball.) If you all think I'm wack and have too much time on my hands (no pun intended x 2), try it for yourselves. If I have the time, this ritual is almost religious. Try it the day before your max-press, and post your results here.
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So you can see where the topic changed a bit from the old wive's tale regarding abstinence in general improving performance, to what happens after ejaculation. Although I did mis-speak, / type stating the dopamine caused the relaxation, as the relaxation has a bit more to do with prolactin and oxytocin levels than dopamine. I knew they were antagonistic but had them backwards in my mind... has been a long time since I looked into that relationship. I used to be pretty versed on it back when I was researching a lot of the GH supplement ingredients.
 
I wasn't saying one person proves it. My personal experience tells me it's a myth/bull****. I just threw the myth busters in there in case any1 was interested
 
Smont said:
I wasn't saying one person proves it. My personal experience tells me it's a myth/bull****. I just threw the myth busters in there in case any1 was interested
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I assume you are referring to the whole generalized idea of abstinence effecting performance, which I completely agree with.

Or are you saying that it is a myth regarding the chemicals released after ejaculation having a tendency to relax males? There are two different conversations going on here. The original posters claims... and then what the topic morphed into?
 
MrKleen73 said:
I assume you are referring to the whole generalized idea of abstinence effecting performance, which I completely agree with.

Or are you saying that it is a myth regarding the chemicals released after ejaculation having a tendency to relax males? There are two different conversations going on here. The original posters claims... and then what the topic morphed into?
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But, as I think you may have said, a “tendency to relax” can be positive, negative, or neutral depending on the sport and the individual. Some people have a lot of nerves and want to be clam, some people want to be hyped up, etc. Some people meditate before their given sport, which is calming, because some people want to feel calmer. But some don’t. So if it can have such mixed effects, it’s likely not good or bad; it just IS. Like reading a book before bed. It can help some people fall asleep, by may keep others up. We can’t say it’s good or bad, it just IS.
 
It’s sad if jerking off in the morning makes you lethargic for the rest of the day. You’d have to be pretty weak not to bounce back enough to have a good gym session just because you busted a nut earlier.

But I should mention that not cumming for a while definitely creates some kind of physiological changes. I did it for around 10-14 days just to see what happens and it made me more aggressive for sure. After a week or so I got blue balls out of nowhere. My libido was insane. I don’t know why anyone would want to go through that. It’ll make you go insane. And cumming a certain amount of times per month helps prevent prostate cancer. So just jerk off if you want.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
But, as I think you may have said, a “tendency to relax” can be positive, negative, or neutral depending on the sport and the individual. Some people have a lot of nerves and want to be clam, some people want to be hyped up, etc. Some people meditate before their given sport, which is calming, because some people want to feel calmer. But some don’t. So if it can have such mixed effects, it’s likely not good or bad; it just IS. Like reading a book before bed. It can help some people fall asleep, by may keep others up. We can’t say it’s good or bad, it just IS.
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Fact, but this was a specific scenario that the person laid out that I was referring to and in his scenario the relaxation hitting just before the workout was a hindrance to him specifically. So in that situation it was bad.

I also think there is a big psychological difference between being relaxed due to a release in satisfaction hormones, and intentionally centering oneself via meditation, which is more channeling the energy to specific focus rather than just trying to relax. I calm my mind and focus before every big set, but I am not relaxed by any means, just so focused that it calms down all the external chatter.

Again not saying it is bad or good, just different. I know it feels much different to me. Again though that is just me.
 
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