SDNG is making me sick....

afboy143

afboy143

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Well,
I have been on a SDNG/MassFX cycle for about 2 weeks now. It all started yesterday when in the middle of class, I felt like I was going to pass out. My heart was racing, my mouth salivating like I was going to throw up, and if I didn’t take long, deep breaths, I felt as if I was going to black out. I got home, took a nap. I woke up and felt nauseous. I felt so sick I couldn’t hit the gym like usual.

Today, same thing. I am sitting here at work with the spins, and am spitting every 5 mins to prevent myself from throwing up.

Side notes: I always take with food. I drink a gallon of water a day. I have been working out since June of 2004 so I am not new to the workout scene. Prior to SDNG/MASSFX, Ive done a JW cycle (yes, I waited atleast a month) so I am not new to the PH scene. I have done the MASSFX/Hyperdrol/Retain stack in the past, so I know its not the Massfx bothering me.

I was wondering If I can cash in on AX 100% guarantee. I am a faithful AX user (used stim-x v2, and all the above products in the past); however, SDNG just doesn’t like me. I will keep the massfx as I will want to do a NH stack in the future, but SDNG doesn’t like me. Let me know…
 
you can most definitely use the 100% guarantee. you just contact your retailer for details. if you have problems email me.

have you used FX before? Because, i would want to make sure that it is the SDNG and not the FX. Although, i have heard from only one other person that the SDNG makes them sick as well. I am assuming it is a reaction to the yohimbe.

hope things get better for you. let me/us know if you have any problems with the return. The retailer should have all the details.
 
Sorry to hear about your reaction. Like Mace said, contact the retailer and return it.

Take care, bud. Hope it all works out in the end!
 
afboy143 said:
Well,
I have been on a SDNG/MassFX cycle for about 2 weeks now. It all started yesterday when in the middle of class, I felt like I was going to pass out. My heart was racing, my mouth salivating like I was going to throw up, and if I didn’t take long, deep breaths, I felt as if I was going to black out. I got home, took a nap. I woke up and felt nauseous. I felt so sick I couldn’t hit the gym like usual.

Today, same thing. I am sitting here at work with the spins, and am spitting every 5 mins to prevent myself from throwing up.

Side notes: I always take with food. I drink a gallon of water a day. I have been working out since June of 2004 so I am not new to the workout scene. Prior to SDNG/MASSFX, Ive done a JW cycle (yes, I waited atleast a month) so I am not new to the PH scene. I have done the MASSFX/Hyperdrol/Retain stack in the past, so I know its not the Massfx bothering me.

I was wondering If I can cash in on AX 100% guarantee. I am a faithful AX user (used stim-x v2, and all the above products in the past); however, SDNG just doesn’t like me. I will keep the massfx as I will want to do a NH stack in the future, but SDNG doesn’t like me. Let me know…
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im just curious how many your takeing each dose and if there is any signific with the time of day...Like are you getting sick after your first dose of the day?
 
I'm curious about how you've been taking it for 2 weeks and the yohimbe is just now affecting you this way...:think:

I'm not doubting your honesty and it really sucks that you're feeling bad - I hope things get better for you. But I think it may be something else causing these symptoms since yohimbe reacts in the body immediately, not 14 days later.

Get better!
 
Hey guys,
trust me, I am being 100% honest. I have been saving for this stack for a while. I have been super hyped to try it! I even payed high prices and ordered it from bb.com since their warehouse is literally an hour from me. (I hope bb.com isn’t a cuss word around here LOL)

Mace, yes I have tryed MassFX in the past when it first was released. I got it on a pre-sale. I stacked it with Hyperdrol and Retain since at the time this was the big thing. This is how I figured it was the SDNG. (Im using a fresh bottle now. Im just saying that’s when I first tried it)

Superdrollover- I took 1 AM, 2 pre workout, and 1 post
Non workout days- 1 AM, 1 MIDDAY, 1 EVENING

Matt- I honestly really dont know. I have a really strong stomach to pills/supplements as I have been doing them for a WHILE. In the past Ive done JW, MassFX, HyperDrol, Retain, X-Factor, Activate, ect ect and none has effected me like this. It's rather scary which is why Im afraid to dose anymore. I figured it might be lack off food but this morning I ate a huge breakfast and still, I felt sick. I will say I gained 4 lbs over the 2 weeks I was using it. These sides just aren’t worth it to me, even though the gains/strength is nice.

As for taking any new supplements, I am not. I have a daily regiment which is follows

AM:
Fish oil
RESET-AD
Multi
Husk Fiber
1x StimX v2 (I was taking two, stepped it down to 1 since I know SDNG has stims in it…well so I read. I feel a lot more tired now)

Mid day: Multi
Fish oil
Husk Fiber

Post Workout:
Creatine
Whey

PM:
Multi
Fish Oil

I will also say that if I take this stuff 4 hours before I plan to go to bad, I get the worst sleep ever. Never doing that again! They aren’t kidding when they say don’t take this prior to bedtime. Maybe my body just isn’t ready for this big of step??? But then again, I don’t know why I have been taking it so long and it’s just now acting up on me. I really don’t know what’s up. This morning I had the nausea for about 45 mins, then it went away. I haven’t dosed since then and I feel fine.

As for the Yohimbe thing, I used to take a Irwin Naturals Test Boosting thing which is Yohimibe mixed with other crap and ive always been fine. I was actually going to use it to add to my PCT after SDNG combined with a bottle of aPCT.

I also want to add that SDNG makes me MAD HUNGRY (good thing!) but boy does it clean me out like no otha!
 
maybe see if it all goes away....keep everything else the same and take out the SDNG.

I'm not argueing with you nor doubting you.........i don't think anyone else is either. I would rather figure out the problem then to try and convince you to continue our products. It is just weird that all of a sudden you had the stomach issues, but it could ahve been a build-up, too.........dunno.
 
It sounds to me like you might have food poisoning or possibly a flu bug of some sort. I've had very similar symptoms in the past, where I was dizzy, nauseas, almost blacking out, etc. At the time of the illness I was not using any kind of supplements whatsoever.
 
Yohimbe, unlike some other herbal supplements, always shows signs of reaction within the first 24 hours of dosage. Rather than contributing your sickness to SDNG, I would suggest to you to give it a few more days - even stop taking it for 72 hours and begin again. If the problem goes away and presents itself after beginning the SDNG again, then conclusively the data that you argue has weight.

macedaddy said:
maybe see if it all goes away....keep everything else the same and take out the SDNG.

I'm not argueing with you nor doubting you.........i don't think anyone else is either. I would rather figure out the problem then to try and convince you to continue our products. It is just weird that all of a sudden you had the stomach issues, but it could ahve been a build-up, too.........dunno.
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matthew76 said:
Yohimbe, unlike some other herbal supplements, always shows signs of reaction within the first 24 hours of dosage. Rather than contributing your sickness to SDNG, I would suggest to you to give it a few more days - even stop taking it for 72 hours and begin again. If the problem goes away and presents itself after beginning the SDNG again, then conclusively the data that you argue has weight.
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So quit doing it for 72 hours and try again? Starting tomorrow, I will quit for 3 full days. I will start going again Saturday on my regular routine and we will see. I will be sure to keep everyone updated.

What is the best way for someone 170 lbs, 21 years old, first doing a PH to dose this?
 
Start back by dosing 1 in the AM and 1 an hour before you work out. Test your tolerance this way. Make sure you eat with your dosage to hinder any ill side effects that may come from the yohimbe. On the second day, try to take the pre work out dosage on a fairly empty stomach to test tolerance. If you do not experience any sides after 4-5 days, increase your dosage by 1. Keep us informed.

afboy143 said:
So quit doing it for 72 hours and try again? Starting tomorrow, I will quit for 3 full days. I will start going again Saturday on my regular routine and we will see. I will be sure to keep everyone updated.

What is the best way for someone 170 lbs, 21 years old, first doing a PH to dose this?
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Ingredients in SDNG will increase the rate glycogen storage. This has a tendency to cause hypoglycemia in people who are not getting enough carbohydrates into their system. Sleepyness/drowsiness caused from hypoglycemia will not be remedied by a stimulant. You will need sugars.

I find it hard to believe that Reset AD + StimX + SDNG (which provides 350mg of caffeine, let alone other stims) would make you tired, unless you're not getting enough carbs.

If you're supplement intake is like you've posted, you're getting 750mg of caffeine alone, not to mention other stimulants.
 
thesinner said:
Ingredients in SDNG will increase the rate glycogen storage. This has a tendency to cause hypoglycemia in people who are not getting enough carbohydrates into their system. Sleepyness/drowsiness caused from hypoglycemia will not be remedied by a stimulant. You will need sugars.

I find it hard to believe that Reset AD + StimX + SDNG (which provides 350mg of caffeine, let alone other stims) would make you tired, unless you're not getting enough carbs.

If you're supplement intake is like you've posted, you're getting 750mg of caffeine alone, not to mention other stimulants.
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In some cases if you over-saturate receptors of the CNS, one can cause accute CNS fatigue as a result of a negative feedback system causing the release of certain 'calming' hormones.
 
Force of Green said:
In some cases if you over-saturate receptors of the CNS, one can cause accute CNS fatigue as a result of a negative feedback system causing the release of certain 'calming' hormones.
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You are correct. Being "overstimmed" will cause an adverse effect. It will make you feel like CRAP.
 
thesinner said:
Ingredients in SDNG will increase the rate glycogen storage. This has a tendency to cause hypoglycemia in people who are not getting enough carbohydrates into their system. Sleepyness/drowsiness caused from hypoglycemia will not be remedied by a stimulant. You will need sugars.

I find it hard to believe that Reset AD + StimX + SDNG (which provides 350mg of caffeine, let alone other stims) would make you tired, unless you're not getting enough carbs.

If you're supplement intake is like you've posted, you're getting 750mg of caffeine alone, not to mention other stimulants.
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I am unaware if the OP listed his body comp stats, but this could be a very real detriment overall if he is rather lean, etc...

In the same breath caffeine releases cortisol and this could be problematic overtime, especially with additional pregnenelone (as upstream as it is) feeding into this process.

Yohimbe means nothing to me as most of it winds up bound anyway. A dosage of 0.1mg/kg can cause similar stimulatory effects with a dose of 15-20mg (again dependent upon body type) responsible for evelations in systolic blood pressure consistent with multitudes of toxicology studies.

Yohimbine (the essential active) is absorbed so rapidly and has a half-life of 7-11 minutes. Therefore, the likelihood of the yohimbine being responsible with the small dose in SDNG is unrealistic (even with the exotic postulates I have read in this thread) and another "culprit" ought to be sought. That is, of course, if the OP is taking this according to label claims rather than developing his own dose.


D_
 
Bump to know if the 3-day stop and restart determined anything!
 
I was experiencing some of his symptom while on 4 of each a day. Excluding the vomittingand others but what got me the most at the tine eem like a shortness of breath. At times seemed to have to fight for a deep beath if even able to get one. The thread starter is a buddy of mine no sure if he continueed after l. I had one time in lab after a workout that I had to dismiss myself. After that I stopped the sd for a day only then got back on it starting at 2 then back jp the 3 which I have been currently taking and have been lovng it yet again.
 
Glad to hear everything is back in action, and you're enjoying your cycle. Keep on keepin' on :thumbsup:
 
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