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SD pulse: wait or do it now?

Tagio

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Hey all lurked for a while, finally posting. I'm going to run a pulse of SD, 10mg 3x/week for 4-8 weeks depending on shutdown. I've done straight cycles with havoc and h-drol. didn't like havoc much (nipples getting itchy on cycle, very small lump) but h-drol was fine, very mild with nice gains on my arms and delts.

right now i've been off all hormonals for a while. i'm on a cutting diet, down from 194 to 186 and still going (i'm 5'10"). my initial plan was to cut down natty, then lean bulk back to 190 while pulsing m-drol. But i'm tempted to start the m-drol right now because of lagging strength in the gym. I estimate myself at around 14% bf.

the only other relevant factor is that i've NEVER gotten below 12% bf before and it might be psychologically more healthy to do it natural the first time - to make sure i can really dial in a diet.

any input will be appreciated. cycle will be logged either way.
 
You want to do a SD pulse while cutting? It'll work just fine... Just remember that the SD is there to preserve muscle, which enables you to do tons of cardio to shed bodyfat. Lot of people doing cutting cycles try to rely on the compounds to do the fat cutting... but it all comes from diet and cardio.

I like recomps... Stay at the same weight, very high protein, low carbs most of the time, occasional refeeds, lots of cardio, pulse the SD, stay at 194 and i'm sure you can drop down 2%-3% bodyfat at that weight if you work hard for it.
 
i appreciate your input man, your posts have helped me in the past. I know this is hard to answer but how long do you think this could be run with an OTC pct? as a point of reference i've run havoc 20/30/40/40 and noticed only minor shutdown - no shrinkage or lack of libido, just a bit less aggression in the gym. i'm doing wendler's 5/3/1 training so my plan was to run 4 weeks (a full cycle of 5/3/1), take a week off during the training deload, then hit 3 more weeks to get support from the anabolics through 2 training cycles.

based on your post i may diet a few more weeks and then go into a recomp/lean bulk around 180 lbs. 3-4% would get my abs defined at this point but wouldn't put me in 8% territory which i would like to hit.

thanks again for your reply man
 
Why limit yourself to an OTC PCT... There's just no good reason for it. How long you want to run SD with an OTC pct is up to you, everybody's recovery is different... works for some people, other people will be more at risk of delayed gyno if they just do OTC... I'm a pretty firm believer in nolva/clomid.

If what you say is right then you really want to do an 8 weeker. Which isn't something i'd recommend if you haven't used SD before... I am considering an 8 week pulse but my body loves the stuff. You will want to be a lot safer. And even on a pulse, I think the deleterious effects to cholesterol could really build up if you go 6+ weeks, so that's something to consider.
 
honestly i dont know whether to trust research chems. that's the only reason i hesitate to use nolva/clomid on my rats. i gave them some nolva tabs from a source promoted on elitefitness and i wasn't sure if they were doing anything at all. i may give them some liquid from a more reputable site next time.

genetically i am predisposed to excellent cholesterol profiles but your point is well taken. 4 weeks will be my first run, and i'll run it after dieting down. i looked back at my workout journal and i actually hit a PR for reps on bench today so the 'strength decrease' i'm feeling is probably more psychological. thanks for your help.
 
with the research chems. if you find a reptuable site. its basically their legal loop whole. more or less the chems are fine but saying their for research purposes are their way of being able to sell them legally.
 
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