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SD 20mg pulse vs. 10mg Straight.

woodbear said:
To Fueled passion; I`m at approx 15-16%... abs visible, but smooth. 5`4", bit over 17 inch arms with pump. weight 171lbs. Generally alround developed. Can see if I can pm you a picture. Gained mostly leg mass during the havoc test, since I started heavy squatting again at the same time . (dont do legs much, since they grow very quick, to keep my body balanced) Grown almost better off than on really.

But my friends very light sd pulses seem extremely safe for some extra gains... people already suspected I`m on something anyway, even before the havoc cycle, that really did little... but if I do a full cycle of SD and blow up 10-15lbs.. I might get tested and thrown out of the gym..lol. So then I`d rather not use it at all...
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Ur gym tests their members? Thats nutz! My gym looks at me as a $ sign and would encourage my swolness since it is good local advertisement...
 
fueledpassion said:
Ur gym tests their members? Thats nutz! My gym looks at me as a $ sign and would encourage my swolness since it is good local advertisement...
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He probably goes to Planet Fitness ;)

A local supplement shop that i go to asks all the biggest guys around to wear their t-shirts to the gym. It's great advertisement!! I've only seen guys who are jacked wear them, and a couple steroidal teenagers.
 
screw pulseing, sd is fast acting just run a 10mg 2week cycle, you will get gains in that time without being suppressed for to long and run a 2week pct. Otc might work but serm would be better but less likely required.
 
amethyst said:
screw pulseing, sd is fast acting just run a 10mg 2week cycle, you will get gains in that time without being suppressed for to long and run a 2week pct. Otc might work but serm would be better but less likely required.
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i dont think that taking 10mg for 2 weeks would help make gains very much.
 
most users start seeing results on sd in the first week and steady gains in the second and third week then it drops off. Lots of users post 7 to 10lbs in first two weeks(figure 2-3lbs water volume). Most pulse logs show similar gains over several weeks. Experienced users could do two weeks at 20mg and still miss out on long term sides, kind of a get in get out method.
 
if i think pulsing is dumb, i really thing running sd e/d for only 2 weeks is dumb.

im totally willing to keep an open mind and try a 6-8 week pulse cycle, but a 2 week cycle, hah, nope, totally closed minded on that one.
 
I'm not claiming typical cycle results with a 2week cycle. I'm only compairing it to a pulse cycle, most pulseing don't expect the same results as a 3 or 4 week cycle. I'm stateing you will get typical gains to a pulse and not be in a roller coaster with your hormones, less damage to the liver and shorter time of stress to the hpta. If you want 15 to 20 lbs you would have to run a full cycle, but that's not the goals of a pulse.
 
if im going to be pulsing, im going to expect to get the same gains as i would if i ran a low dose of said compound (like 10mg sd) for the same time.
 
amethyst, no offense but that's a stupid focking idea. pulsing isn't all about avoiding shutdown. it's about stretching out an oral only cycle to make gains more solid - this is also why people 'bridge'.

no one cares that you can gain 8-10lbs of glycogen in 2 weeks and lose it all .
 
10mg ed vs 20mg eod won't even be close in results. Even with perfect rebound on off days and no cortisol overspill you still won't be in a consistent anabolic state. 20mg eod won't compinsate with double repair and building to make up for the off day, if you pulse expect half the results at best or don't bother with it and just run a regular cycle.
 
I was always wondering if people are so woried about hpta shutdown, why are they trying to use the mother of all nutt crushing compounds, there are a lot of choices besides sd.
 
amethyst said:
I was always wondering if people are so woried about hpta shutdown, why are they trying to use the mother of all nutt crushing compounds, there are a lot of choices besides sd.
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The top 3 on the market are SD, HD and Epi. I think that they are compairable in shutdown.. never tried hdrol but epi felt just like SD. People are afraid of shutdown because its not guaranteed that your hormones will be where they were previously. Of course we are all willing to get shut down, but some of us would like to avoid it as much as we can if possible and want to think outside of the box. I have a Ph.D in in BroScience
 
amethyst said:
I was always wondering if people are so woried about hpta shutdown, why are they trying to use the mother of all nutt crushing compounds, there are a lot of choices besides sd.
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i dont know who you're talking to with this, i've been on an all oral cycle now for 9 weeks, with 2-3 more to go.
 
hpta supression is going to be mostly due to how strongly the compound binds to/interacts with the androgen receptor.

hd, pmag, and other 4-chloro compounds bind weakly to the androgen receptor, this is why results take time to manifest themselves, and shutdown is fairly mild.

run 50mg of oral turinabol for 6 weeks, and you will barely need a pct, if any at all. i promise you.

75mg of hd as well shouldn't require much of a pct either. now you have those geniuses going 125mg, yea, they're going to need a solid pct.

side effects, both positive and negative are dose/cycle length dependant.
 
amethyst said:
10mg ed vs 20mg eod won't even be close in results. Even with perfect rebound on off days and no cortisol overspill you still won't be in a consistent anabolic state. 20mg eod won't compinsate with double repair and building to make up for the off day, if you pulse expect half the results at best or don't bother with it and just run a regular cycle.
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I think we're missing a few points here. Double the dosage means that it will take longer to get the steroid out of your system. so theoretically, you should have equal blood levels for equal the time . the difference is, during a pulse, orals are taken both before AND after lifting . 10mg dosing assumes only pre or post workout..[in most cases with people with 10mg pills].

so, jbry is right that there should be an equal muscle building component in a 10mg/d scheme vs a 20mg eod scheme. there is a difference though - during a pulse, there is more steroid in the system during more metabolically crucial times, as opposed to 10mg/d. there won't be a huge difference, but , i think there should be a slight advantage for muscle building on workout days as opposed to resting days. cortisol on offdays should be a nonissue due to the alleged rebound ; there should be a positive T:C ratio, and if not, you could always use a cortisol antagonist. also, allowing for that rebound you should have less suppression and *possibly* less liver stress than during a 10mg/d scheme. personally i'd suggest a 3 day a week pulse over a 4 day - maybe M/TH/Sat - not, MWF.

granted, there are some 'ifs' and theories at work here, but, they are plausible nonetheless.

so, what we have here is the possibility of a little less suppression, and a little bit more muscle building when compared to a 10mg/d scheme.

really, though, we can theorize all day long, but, the proof will only come with bloodwork and measurements.

edit : whats wrong with me. i should be doing my homework lol- steroids are more interesting than math though
 
I have always been skeptical about the efficiency of a pulse and here's why; on the days you pulse, the muscles you work reap the benefits of the SD. However, on your "off day" the SD is out of your system ( 8 hour half life) so the muscles worked don't get jack!! How can this be a good thing? Am I missing something here????
 
I ran orals that would **** most ppl scared. As long as u stick to once a yr honestly Ull be fine. I ran anadrol and sd for 8wks high doses on both. I ran m1t with pulsing SD high doses. Winstrol100 sd30-40 8wks the key is I don't abuse it to like 5orals a yr
 
Presa said:
I have always been skeptical about the efficiency of a pulse and here's why; on the days you pulse, the muscles you work reap the benefits of the SD. However, on your "off day" the SD is out of your system ( 8 hour half life) so the muscles worked don't get jack!! How can this be a good thing? Am I missing something here????
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lol? SURELY there must be something we can do to circumvent this extraordinary problem!
 
I ran a nice heavy SD pulse for 12 weeks. 50mg 2x/week. Blood work pre and 10weeks post and everything was clean and in the green. My Dr. was even surprised because my lipid panel was great.

I love pulsing.
 
UGHQTempus said:
I ran a nice heavy SD pulse for 12 weeks. 50mg 2x/week. Blood work pre and 10weeks post and everything was clean and in the green. My Dr. was even surprised because my lipid panel was great.

I love pulsing.
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50mg 2x a week? That's really odd. Were you on a bulk or cut ?
 
Bulk. I'm not a big fan of messed up lipids and wanted to experiment and see if I could make some gains/recomp and still be in the healthy zone. It worked for me. But, I'm in the 270-290 range most of the time at ~15% so who knows.
 
UGHQTempus said:
Bulk. I'm not a big fan of messed up lipids and wanted to experiment and see if I could make some gains/recomp and still be in the healthy zone. It worked for me. But, I'm in the 270-290 range most of the time at ~15% so who knows.
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Did you run a full pct? I've been thinking about a twice a week pulse for awhile. I only lift twice a week anyway due to training for other sports.
 
soontobbeast said:
lol? SURELY there must be something we can do to circumvent this extraordinary problem!
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yeah, it's called running it 20/20/30/30 straight thru and eat clean so you have dry gains. One and done. Easy PCT- SERM plus AI for 4 weeks and keep the gains. Thank you, check out, and come again in 8 months...
 
jbryand101b said:
so they dont stay (your arms an legs) exploded in size and strength when you aren't on cycle?
10mg e/d for 6 weeks is what i'd recomend people doing, so you are saying you pulse 10mg for longer than 6 weeks? and loose all those hyuugge gains you get from pulsing 10mg e/o/d?
quality lean muscle tissue does take time to build, there is no doubt about that.
I have not tried pulsing. i dont see the point. if it works for you, and makes you feel better about what you are doing, and due to that, you lift harder in the gym, eat better, and over all feel better, then hey, thats all for you and not a waste of time for you.

you do you, and i'll do me. sides, both positive and negative are dose/cycle length dependant.
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I'm sorry if I gave you the impression the size disappears on the off days. I said eventually over time when off cycle, the water and glycogen gains disappear. Not during the middle of the pulse. Hope this is more clear.
 
soontobbeast said:
amethyst, no offense but that's a stupid focking idea. pulsing isn't all about avoiding shutdown. it's about stretching out an oral only cycle to make gains more solid - this is also why people 'bridge'.

no one cares that you can gain 8-10lbs of glycogen in 2 weeks and lose it all .
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An intelligent post!
 
amethyst said:
I was always wondering if people are so woried about hpta shutdown, why are they trying to use the mother of all nutt crushing compounds, there are a lot of choices besides sd.
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I find tren to be the only nutt crushing compound and so do many others. SD is not even close to being close in this regard.
 
Presa said:
I have always been skeptical about the efficiency of a pulse and here's why; on the days you pulse, the muscles you work reap the benefits of the SD. However, on your "off day" the SD is out of your system ( 8 hour half life) so the muscles worked don't get jack!! How can this be a good thing? Am I missing something here????
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On your off day, SD is not out of your system. If you had pulsed or had blood work you would know this
 
UGHQTempus said:
I ran a nice heavy SD pulse for 12 weeks. 50mg 2x/week. Blood work pre and 10weeks post and everything was clean and in the green. My Dr. was even surprised because my lipid panel was great.

I love pulsing.
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Another intelligent post from actual first hand experience.
 
luclyluciano said:
On your off day, SD is not out of your system. If you had pulsed or had blood work you would know this
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superdrol has a half life of about 8hrs. this means in about 16hours (less than a day later, you know 24hrs in a day) it will have been all metabolized out of your system.

sure, this will vary, some will be less, some will be longer.

you know, if you think about it, running 10mg e/d is pulsing. lol.
 
I've never pulsed super. I may give this a go. I was planning on a cycle in the next week or so. Had a few different ideas based off what I have available.
Either do
Super ran 5mg pre 5mg post for 4wks on 2weeks off and then a final 4wks on then pct. So 10/10/10/10 pct 0/0 10/10/10/10 pct0/0/0/0/0
Or
5aohp ran straight 6wks.
Or
M14add ran straight 4wks.
Or
The one and eqplex ran straight 6wks.
Or
1ad and 4ad ran straight.

So many choices so little time.
 
Or you could run a non methyl for 4-6 weeks, then a methyl for 4-6 weeks, then harden up with a dry non methyl for a final 4 weeks.
 
luclyluciano said:
I find tren to be the only nutt crushing compound and so do many others. SD is not even close to being close in this regard.
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Agreed, and I think there is scientific evidence as to why Tren and any other 19-Nor compounds are terrible on shutdown. They bind HARD to the receptors if I'm not mistaken....
 
flightposite said:
I've never pulsed super. I may give this a go. I was planning on a cycle in the next week or so. Had a few different ideas based off what I have available.
Either do
Super ran 5mg pre 5mg post for 4wks on 2weeks off and then a final 4wks on then pct. So 10/10/10/10 pct 0/0 10/10/10/10 pct0/0/0/0/0
Or
5aohp ran straight 6wks.
Or
M14add ran straight 4wks.
Or
The one and eqplex ran straight 6wks.
Or
1ad and 4ad ran straight.

So many choices so little time.
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The One and EQ Plex has my vote. Use SD for a kickstart later on - [what it was truly meant for] :)
 
sounds pretty nice :D but not sure if i want to stay on that long.
 
jbryand101b said:
superdrol has a half life of about 8hrs. this means in about 16hours (less than a day later, you know 24hrs in a day) it will have been all metabolized out of your system.

sure, this will vary, some will be less, some will be longer.

you know, if you think about it, running 10mg e/d is pulsing. lol.
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16 hours later you still have 2.5 grams of SD in your system. 24 hours later, you have 1.25 grams and so on.
Half life is the amount of time the amount of a drug keeps halving itself in your system. This may not sound like much but there is clearly some steroid building upon itself in a daily dose and an EOD pulse.
 
Decided to postpone my bulk cycle and do SD 10mg everyday. I'm 6 days in and I've gained 4-5lbs. My bench (for reps ) went up by 10lbs. Been unable to squat though.
 
luclyluciano said:
16 hours later you still have 2.5 grams of SD in your system. 24 hours later, you have 1.25 grams and so on.
Half life is the amount of time the amount of a drug keeps halving itself in your system. This may not sound like much but there is clearly some steroid building upon itself in a daily dose and an EOD pulse.
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shiit, you are right, what was i thinking.
 
I'm doing 10mg ed and I gained 6.2 pounds in these first 6 days. Thinking of Doing 20mg 3 days of the next week and do the other days at 10mg. I dont know if there will be any benefit, but I'm a bro-scientist and must conduct these experiments on myself. By the way, the clone of choice is m-stane!
 
ReyMan said:
I'm doing 10mg ed and I gained 6.2 pounds in these first 6 days. Thinking of Doing 20mg 3 days of the next week and do the other days at 10mg. I dont know if there will be any benefit, but I'm a bro-scientist and must conduct these experiments on myself. By the way, the clone of choice is m-stane!
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Is m-stane straight Superdol or an Epistane blend.
 
woodbear said:
3 off day, not much to notice, other that insane morning wood.. not the regular 100% hard, but totallay unbendable and almost painful.. loving that. Very easily aroused. Just like my friend described, guessing massive rebound..

Mass wise, not much, but I still feel a bit hot, and losing fat. 3 days after! Will definitly do a 3 day pulse next week too.
But still thinking regular straight cycle would yield amazing results compared to a pulse, this definitly is a fun rid so far..
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If you're getting that much of a rebound I wouldnt be surprised if you end up with gyno.
 
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