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SD 20mg pulse vs. 10mg Straight.

ReyMan

ReyMan

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A lot of the sacred elders on here say that 10mg of SD is less suppressive than 20mg pulsed 3 days a week. i did the math (assuming half life is 8 hours) and the amount of time 20mg SD pulse would be out of your system would be 120 hours opposed to a 10mg straight cycle would be 112 hours that it wouldn't be in your system. Although the fact that your hpta is getting battered a for a whole day 3 days a week could add in more suppression i suppose?

I summon the Superdrol gods of AM!!!!

this is just for the sake of discussion and insight :]
 
thanks man! by the way, the hours listed were for a 7 day week.
 
you're gonna have to pct either way. Why more concerned with level of suppression than results? I say a better question is the results you would get out of 10mg straight vs 20mg pulsed...
 
well some people are more concerned with the damage they are doing to their hpta. It's speculated that being shutdown can cause irreparable damage. I just thought it was a different discussion because a lot of people are concerned mostly with gains ( I see them M1T posts popping up more and more). Also, as a younger guy with narrow shoulders i like to keep my shutdown to a minimum, i'll run full superdrol cycles but the longer 12+ week cycles are what scare me. My long bones are done growing but i pray my shoulders widen, i've read that they are done at around the mid to late 20's. I got a few more years for growing dem shoulders!!
 
i know that being shutdown doesnt cause stunted growth but high estro does. it seems like that when guys are really shutdown they have more estrogen related sides.
 
Loll vs not doing it at all cuz ur scared of sides so u rather half azz ut cycle and damage body for nothing. Sorry could resist lmfao
 
Jasen said:
Loll vs not doing it at all cuz ur scared of sides so u rather half azz ut cycle and damage body for nothing. Sorry could resist lmfao
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Word lol just do a real cycle or none at all.
 
Good old days were ppl ran 30mg+ m1t for 4-5wks and took the sides..... we r old school
 
i'd like to clarify what jbry said.

he typically recommends 10mg/d to potential pulsers, not because of shutdown.

he is a big fan of more steady hormone levels because he theorizes there is a bigger chance of gyno and other sides when hormones are less steady ala pulsing. the very thing that makes pulsing have less shutdown, might make sides worse, but from reading the pulse results thread, it would seem that it isn't the case . however, more steady blood levels will mean more shutdown.

he didn't/doesn't say that 10mg/d will have a lesser impact on hpta [than pulsing], to my knowledge. 10mg is just a high enough dose to get good gains, but still alot less toxic than 20-30mg like many do.

hope this answers your question
 
not a jab at jasen or the rest, but, i don't see how you can equate damage done to your organs with being tough or fearless.

you only got one body. why hate on someone trying to get a competitive edge while still being fairly safe? is someone only drinking 6-8 beers not as tough as someone drinking 20? hell nah. the guy drinking 20 is just an idiot
 
I've run sd a few times, feeling shut down after 4th week @30mgs ed. ran 2 weeks @10mg ed and loved it, even shrunk the lump I had from a careless first cycle of mass tabs. Was ran during a cut and loved it! Gained a few lbs, strength was up and no sides. Started a 10mg ed sd and Epi cycle this week, curious how long I can run the sd with mod to high dose of Epi for 6 weeks, day 1 and strength was fn amazing :D
 
soontobbeast said:
i'd like to clarify what jbry said.

he typically recommends 10mg/d to potential pulsers, not because of shutdown.

he is a big fan of more steady hormone levels because he theorizes there is a bigger chance of gyno and other sides when hormones are less steady ala pulsing. the very thing that makes pulsing have less shutdown, might make sides worse, but from reading the pulse results thread, it would seem that it isn't the case . however, more steady blood levels will mean more shutdown.

he didn't/doesn't say that 10mg/d will have a lesser impact on hpta [than pulsing], to my knowledge. 10mg is just a high enough dose to get good gains, but still alot less toxic than 20-30mg like many do.

hope this answers your question
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before i jump into this bro topic. i'd like to say im not an expert on the subject. most of what i say with regards to orals, is from personal experience with said compound, some from reading about others experiences via my research, and data i read on steroids, usually given to me by smarter people than i such as henry v.
but, i do refer to actual experts on the subject, such as patrick arnold.
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most of what soonto is saying i pretty much agree in his representation of me.

i am a big fan of keeping hormone levels steady.
gyno is caused from multiple hormonal imbalances. this is a fact. whether someone subjecting their hormonal equalibrium to the roller coaster ride of a pulse is more inclined to experience sides cause from hormonal imbalances, is also a given fact, so yes they are. (this doesn't mean they will)

hormones are extremely complicated. androgen/anabolic hormones are just one link connecting an entire chain of hormonal stuff going on inside your body. the possibilities are endless and will drive you crazy connecting the dots caused from adjusting one hormone.

will 10mg have less impact than 30mg e/o/d? not sure, i've ran 10mg e/d and let me tell you, if you are worried about sides, 10mg is the way to go.

what it comes down to is more gains, more sides, and visa versa.

im not going to keep reposting what pa said about pulsing, but you can find it if you google my name, patrick arnold pulsing.

do what ever makes you happy inside. i prefer 10mg e/d of sd to 30mg e/o/d. and i ultimately prefer str8 sd + some form of test over all else.
 
It has nothing to.do with being tough, if ur gonna damage your body might as well get some good results
 
Jasen said:
Loll vs not doing it at all cuz ur scared of sides so u rather half azz ut cycle and damage body for nothing. Sorry could resist lmfao
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I've ran a textbook superdrol cycle before. I'm just cautious and make sure the risk is worth the reward. As for you being tough "old school" steroid users, more than half of you are on trt. I know I'm gonna take care of my testes and maintain my manhood for as long as possible.
 
The reason many on here are on trt is that genetically they were born with low test, not the cycles they ran.....
 
Jasen said:
The reason many on here are on trt is that genetically they were born with low test, not the cycles they ran.....
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I don't think that the majority of them have genetically low test. It seems like a lot of the older guys ran harsh cycles in their late teens or were juicing before pct's were thought of
 
Go and ask around. There's NO point of a 10mg SD cycle! The gains you make of it will be crap either run a easier oral or just admit to yourself your a ***** and stick to being natty and use that money for food. Also pulsing is retarded it creates too much ups and downs in your hormones which carries more sides. Its advice man either take or listen to jimmy strathurs.
 
i recomend using superdrol at 10mg each day for a recomp cycle. the sd is dosed low enough to not put on any major weight, and high enough to prevent muscle catabolism when running compounds like ephedrine, clenbuterol, t3, etc.

that is originally why i used 10mg of sd, and then started recomending it.

the whole sides issue was just something i noticed when i did that. i noticed zero sides, and still put on 5lbs while cutting and felt like and otc pct (after only 4 weeks) would be fine for that.

i would not recomend 10mg for someone looking to get strong as possible and big as possible. in that sense, i agree with jasen, and would recomend you run w/e compound at full rec dosage.

more gains, more sides, less sides, less gains, that is the way it is with anabolic/androgenic steroids, there is no way around it.

if you want tha hyuuuugge, you're gonna have to pay to play.
 
Thia I kinda have to disagrees with you, there a member her unreal machine who used SD T3 and alot of other stuff to maintain recomp he commented how powerful T3 was not even high dose hdrol helped he had to jump to a dose of SD while on a few other injectable. 10mg is ok.for recompense but so is erase and DAA. But ur right if u wanna put on weight you will.need higher dose. But at 20mg I would assume recomp would go well....
 
Im sure test masteron hdrol at 125 and. I think he used one more thing is stronger than 10mg of sd
 
then i'll have to take the user dependant stance on that one.

10mg would be enough for me, but maybe not for a big dude like unreal or you, for you guys, 20-30 may be what you need.

20mg, i wouldn't waste time with low cal diet, it would be wasting the sd for me.
 
T3 is strong man there no way 10mg would be enough c'mon just admit it ;)
 
uhhhh.... i'm not natural lawlcatz.

I specified in the original post that this was just for discussion. I'm not seeking adivce... hell im about to start an SD/LMG cycle for a massive bulk.
 
ReyMan said:
uhhhh.... i'm not natural lawlcatz.

I specified in the original post that this was just for discussion. I'm not seeking adivce... hell im about to start an SD/LMG cycle for a massive bulk.
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im not really sure what you are talking about, if you dont like the discussion going on in your thread, you can always delete it.

i dont think anyone is/was giving you any advice, i know i havn't.
 
jbryand101b said:
im not really sure what you are talking about, if you dont like the discussion going on in your thread, you can always delete it.

i dont think anyone is/was giving you any advice, i know i havn't.
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I was getting the impression that jasen was trying to give me advice and saying that I have a problem with doing full cycles.
 
I'm personally annoyed with all the self knowing pulsing hate. I regularly pulse SD at 10 mgs EOD. My arms legs and shoulders explode in size and strength when I do this. My clothes barely fit me. I lean out nicely with great vascularity. I extend my cycle well beyond 3 weeks. My gains give the illusion of being a lot more keepable even though over time there is mo such thing. Off cycle eventually we all return to our genetic norms. I'm not huge but I'm not small either and 10mgs works miracles for me even though it's pulsed.

I look and lift bigger and better than the majority in my gym that are half my age. The pumps are awesome. So I wish this self professed low dose or pulsing hate of SD would stop. The noticeable gains take longer to kick in but lifting iron is a marathon not a sprint.

There is far too much posting of opinions and what people hear on this board lately. Don't knock pulsing or low dose SD for others if you havent intelligently tried it. Im here to tell you it works 100% from first hand experience. Definitely not a waste of time.
 
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jbryand101b said:
then i'll have to take the user dependant stance on that one.10mg would be enough for me, but maybe not for a big dude like unreal or you, for you guys, 20-30 may be what you need.20mg, i wouldn't waste time with low cal diet, it would be wasting the sd for me.
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Ha! I kick started my cycle of Prop with SD @ 20mg/day for 3 weeks and put on 7-8lbs. This was eating way under maintenance, too. It has not been a waste for me at all!
 
luclyluciano said:
I'm personally annoyed with all the self knowing pulsing hate. I regularly pulse SD at 10 mgs EOD. My arms legs and shoulders explode in size and strength when I do this. My clothes barely fit me. I lean out nicely with great vascularity. I extend my cycle well beyond 3 weeks. My gains give the illusion of being a lot more keepable even though over time there is mo such thing. Off cycle eventually we all return to our genetic norms. I'm not huge but I'm not small either and 10mgs works miracles for me even though it's pulsed. I look and lift bigger and better than the majority in my gym that are half my age. The pumps are awesome. So I wish this self professed low dose or pulsing hate of SD would stop. The noticeable gains take longer to kick in but lifting iron is a marathon not a sprint. There is far too much posting of opinions and what people hear on this board lately. Don't knock pulsing or low dose SD for others if you havent intelligently tried it. Im here to tell you it works 100% from first hand experience. Definitely not a waste of time.
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Agreed. I'm willing to bet its not all that suppressive compared to other orals. 19-Nor's r tuff on the body tho but SD is alot easier on mine that the Tren wannabies. I'd almost consider pulsing SD EOD @ 10mg during PCT to keep gains from cycle. However I'm gonna stick with Phera for that..
 
I have a friend who pulse SD, first week, eod 10 mg, noticed nothing much on or off.
next week he did 10mg 3 on 4 off... the days off he noticed extreme libido and rebound.
week 3 he upped to 20mg , same effect, gained about 2lbs
week 4 he did 20 mg 2 on 4 off.... gained about 2 more lbs.
4 weeks off, gained another 2-3lbs with daa, noticed NO suppression other than feeling extremely potent the first days off... then more normal again.

now he did just a 2 week pulse, 3on 4off 20mg... gained another 4lbs....
he had to cut short due to a work trip that will include some party and alcohol this week.
kept ALL.... he even drank a bit every frigging saturday..

I`m trying the same too.... you dont get extreme gains, but you get a small boost that is not suspicious to your other gym mates...

sides, back pumps on the thrid day... he also took milk thistle.. BP also went up on the 3 on days, along with extreme vascularity.

Try a pulse like that the first 3-4 weeks and see.... you can definitly get away with no pct, and do it regulary, and perhaps after a year, be just as big, but keep ALL!
 
woodbear said:
I have a friend who pulse SD, first week, eod 10 mg, noticed nothing much on or off.
next week he did 10mg 3 on 4 off... the days off he noticed extreme libido and rebound.
week 3 he upped to 20mg , same effect, gained about 2lbs
week 4 he did 20 mg 2 on 4 off.... gained about 2 more lbs.
4 weeks off, gained another 2-3lbs with daa, noticed NO suppression other than feeling extremely potent the first days off... then more normal again.

now he did just a 2 week pulse, 3on 4off 20mg... gained another 4lbs....
he had to cut short due to a work trip that will include some party and alcohol this week.
kept ALL.... he even drank a bit every frigging saturday..

I`m trying the same too.... you dont get extreme gains, but you get a small boost that is not suspicious to your other gym mates...

sides, back pumps on the thrid day... he also took milk thistle.. BP also went up on the 3 on days, along with extreme vascularity.

Try a pulse like that the first 3-4 weeks and see.... you can definitly get away with no pct, and do it regulary, and perhaps after a year, be just as big, but keep ALL!
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Not to be Cpt Obvious over here, but, "noticing" no suppression =/= having no suppression...

I have been taking Androhard and Andromass and feeling no suppression, but I'm sure if I take blood I'll see a shot down test level. There's no way to tell unless you've got blood.

And not to mention that it's stupid to be drinking while on SD, even during a pulse. You may not feel anything for a while, until the day you wake up with rashes all over your body because your liver is failing and can't process anything anymore.
 
certainly agree about the drinking. but 1-3 max 4 beers probably wont kill him... considering the short low dosed cycles. Impair gains, definitly

anyway, doubt you get very suppressed in 2-3 days per week for 2-4 week mini cycles.

most effective for drastic changes that most people want from a cycle, no. But for someone with 8% bodyfat, and a muscøe model body for small gain boosts, so far it seems to be working awsome.
Well, he might have gotten a bit suppressed for all we know, but considering he got no signs of any gyno, and did not gain any bodyfat off, actually continued to get bigger and leaner after use, he definitly recovered any htpa suppression very quickly...



minor note: I drew bloods today, 1 month after pct ...will get results in about 1 week. so then I can see how much damage a epi cycle can do... considering the small gains, I`ll be pretty pissed if I have damaged my test levels for nothing really.

although I dont think I got very suppressed during the epi/havoc use, but nolva definitly caused a after pct estrogen rebound spike... but a 10mg dose 2x per week made it finally go away. felt like I had lots of test due to very good progress in the gym, but also itchy chest from high estro levels. a bit unbalanced only, or too high prolactin levels....

I`m trying a micro sd cycle soon to, 2-3x per week, for 2-3 weeks. I will not touch alcohol...

Btw. most guys in the 70`s drank on dbol, Many of the regular muscleheads that use proper gear at my gym, I see regulary drink during weekends, even when I know they are popping d bol or anadrol... this is many of the good old juicers, the guys in their 40`s not just the stupid young ones...

smart, not at all!!!! I`m staying away, and I have told my friend, atleast he goes easy on it, he usually drinks like 10 beers and 5 drinks or more... and gets really hammered... so a few beers is like drinking soda for this guy.


Anyway, i`ll post my sd pulse results, with before bloods, and maybe even after, but after will be a bit later, cant just get tested all the time here. I also have alot of nolva, should even the sd pulse kickstart my minigyno again...
 
woodbear said:
certainly agree about the drinking. but 1-3 max 4 beers probably wont kill him... considering the short low dosed cycles. Impair gains, definitly

anyway, doubt you get very suppressed in 2-3 days per week for 2-4 week mini cycles.

most effective for drastic changes that most people want from a cycle, no. But for someone with 8% bodyfat, and a muscøe model body for small gain boosts, so far it seems to be working awsome.
Well, he might have gotten a bit suppressed for all we know, but considering he got no signs of any gyno, and did not gain any bodyfat off, actually continued to get bigger and leaner after use, he definitly recovered any htpa suppression very quickly...

minor note: I drew bloods today, 1 month after pct ...will get results in about 1 week. so then I can see how much damage a epi cycle can do... considering the small gains, I`ll be pretty pissed if I have damaged my test levels for nothing really.

although I dont think I got very suppressed during the epi/havoc use, but nolva definitly caused a after pct estrogen rebound spike... but a 10mg dose 2x per week made it finally go away. felt like I had lots of test due to very good progress in the gym, but also itchy chest from high estro levels. a bit unbalanced only, or too high prolactin levels....

I`m trying a micro sd cycle soon to, 2-3x per week, for 2-3 weeks. I will not touch alcohol...

Btw. most guys in the 70`s drank on dbol, Many of the regular muscleheads that use proper gear at my gym, I see regulary drink during weekends, even when I know they are popping d bol or anadrol... this is many of the good old juicers, the guys in their 40`s not just the stupid young ones...

smart, not at all!!!! I`m staying away, and I have told my friend, atleast he goes easy on it, he usually drinks like 10 beers and 5 drinks or more... and gets really hammered... so a few beers is like drinking soda for this guy.

Anyway, i`ll post my sd pulse results, with before bloods, and maybe even after, but after will be a bit later, cant just get tested all the time here. I also have alot of nolva, should even the sd pulse kickstart my minigyno again...
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Look forward to hearing your results.
 
luclyluciano said:
I'm personally annoyed with all the self knowing pulsing hate. I regularly pulse SD at 10 mgs EOD. My arms legs and shoulders explode in size and strength when I do this. My clothes barely fit me. I lean out nicely with great vascularity. I extend my cycle well beyond 3 weeks. My gains give the illusion of being a lot more keepable even though over time there is mo such thing. Off cycle eventually we all return to our genetic norms. I'm not huge but I'm not small either and 10mgs works miracles for me even though it's pulsed.

I look and lift bigger and better than the majority in my gym that are half my age. The pumps are awesome. So I wish this self professed low dose or pulsing hate of SD would stop. The noticeable gains take longer to kick in but lifting iron is a marathon not a sprint.

There is far too much posting of opinions and what people hear on this board lately. Don't knock pulsing or low dose SD for others if you havent intelligently tried it. Im here to tell you it works 100% from first hand experience. Definitely not a waste of time.
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Agreed. And thanks for your honest feedback from actual experience with it instead of just shooting it down without ever even giving it a go.
 
Woodbear, what is your BF%? To give perspective.. on my recent pics in my Trenazone & Test log, I'm sitting around 9% at best.

I'm annoyed at people undershooting their BF by 5-10%. Pretty much anyone under 8% is jacked regardless of height. So with that said, please be honest lol. I also found it humorous that you've mentioned sensoring your steroid use in the gym to avoid people "noticing", lol. I stopped caring about 6 months ago personally. Besides, 1 out of 3 men in my gym are on the juice or have been on the juice regularly.
 
**** just by looking at me you know something is up LMFAO all the mortals watching me are just 'miring
 
luclyluciano said:
I'm personally annoyed with all the self knowing pulsing hate. I regularly pulse SD at 10 mgs EOD. My arms legs and shoulders explode in size and strength when I do this. My clothes barely fit me. I lean out nicely with great vascularity. I extend my cycle well beyond 3 weeks. My gains give the illusion of being a lot more keepable even though over time there is mo such thing. Off cycle eventually we all return to our genetic norms. I'm not huge but I'm not small either and 10mgs works miracles for me even though it's pulsed.

I look and lift bigger and better than the majority in my gym that are half my age. The pumps are awesome. So I wish this self professed low dose or pulsing hate of SD would stop. The noticeable gains take longer to kick in but lifting iron is a marathon not a sprint.

There is far too much posting of opinions and what people hear on this board lately. Don't knock pulsing or low dose SD for others if you havent intelligently tried it. Im here to tell you it works 100% from first hand experience. Definitely not a waste of time.
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so they dont stay (your arms an legs) exploded in size and strength when you aren't on cycle?
10mg e/d for 6 weeks is what i'd recomend people doing, so you are saying you pulse 10mg for longer than 6 weeks? and loose all those hyuugge gains you get from pulsing 10mg e/o/d?
quality lean muscle tissue does take time to build, there is no doubt about that.
I have not tried pulsing. i dont see the point. if it works for you, and makes you feel better about what you are doing, and due to that, you lift harder in the gym, eat better, and over all feel better, then hey, thats all for you and not a waste of time for you.

you do you, and i'll do me. sides, both positive and negative are dose/cycle length dependant.
 
jbryand101b said:
so they dont stay (your arms an legs) exploded in size and strength when you aren't on cycle?
10mg e/d for 6 weeks is what i'd recomend people doing, so you are saying you pulse 10mg for longer than 6 weeks? and loose all those hyuugge gains you get from pulsing 10mg e/o/d?
quality lean muscle tissue does take time to build, there is no doubt about that.
I have not tried pulsing. i dont see the point. if it works for you, and makes you feel better about what you are doing, and due to that, you lift harder in the gym, eat better, and over all feel better, then hey, thats all for you and not a waste of time for you.

you do you, and i'll do me. sides, both positive and negative are dose/cycle length dependant.
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i always respect your opinion jbry but i dont know why the hell you have this condescending attitude towards pulsing. its outrageous that you're only logical explanation for gains seen during pulsing is placebo. '' i know your idea only works cause you think its gonna work. my idea works cause its science'' and my favorite from your last post about it :'' if you didn't get sides during your pulse you wouldnt have gotten sides during a straight cycle either.''. i mean, what is that? you don't see the point 'cause, why? it would follow that you would be more than willing to test alternate methods of cycling, some being unorthordox, since you're so willing to try new compounds as well. it's just strange to me that you're so obtuse.

two pillars science rests upon is FALSAFIABILITY AND REPLICABILITY. you aren't putting your theories to the test.

once again, you're a really smart dude but i think you're making a mistake by not at least keeping an open mind .
 
Yeah pulsing sucks just take 10eod 6wks that's a nice 8lbs
 
i can respect that. if i get another bottle of superdrol, or dimethazine, maybe even epistane, i will be sure to run a pulse cycle. and log it for everyone to follow along.

for now i'll have to take it as my opinion and yea, ultimately it matters only what works best for you, and w/e else everyone is doing does not matter as long as it works.
 
Jasen said:
Yeah pulsing sucks just take 10eod 6wks that's a nice 8lbs
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wouldnt eod be pulsing?? in my opinion i would just do a 10/20/ mayybe 30 cycle. people like sd for the explosive gains!!! personally i like shorter cycles and id prefer a 3 weeker over a 6 weeker any day. who cares if the gains are maintainable i wanna be HUGE and everyone to know im on roids
 
i dont see why people get hung up on keeping it 3-4 weeks.

get a product like 4-dhea, or stanodrol, and stack it with sd, using sd at a max dosage for the first 3-4 weeks, then the next 3-4 weeks run the compound solo to help those gains mature.

so for example, stanodrol for 6-8 weeks
sd for those first 3-4 weeks.
 
jbryand101b said:
i dont see why people get hung up on keeping it 3-4 weeks.

get a product like 4-dhea, or stanodrol, and stack it with sd, using sd at a max dosage for the first 3-4 weeks, then the next 3-4 weeks run the compound solo to help those gains mature.
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im afraid that i'll go sterile from the longer cycles. I really want kids, and i know the risks are the same but i get anxiety attacks on longer cycles
 
jbryand101b said:
i can respect that. if i get another bottle of superdrol, or dimethazine, maybe even epistane, i will be sure to run a pulse cycle. and log it for everyone to follow along.

for now i'll have to take it as my opinion and yea, ultimately it matters only what works best for you, and w/e else everyone is doing does not matter as long as it works.
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Jbry if I still have a bottle of m drol I might be willing to front you a bottle for you to test the pulse method with an open mind. I as well as many others respect your opinion and would like to see what your thoughts are regarding pulsing once you have tried it. I may have sold my last bottle though but I will check tomorrow for it if you want it.
 
flightposite said:
Jbry if I still have a bottle of m drol I might be willing to front you a bottle for you to test the pulse method with an open mind. I as well as many others respect your opinion and would like to see what your thoughts are regarding pulsing once you have tried it. I may have sold my last bottle though but I will check tomorrow for it if you want it.
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Wow!!! That's generous man! Jbry, you should take him up on it!!!

I love my AM brothers
 
SD is truly awesome tho with Test. I dont see any sides from it on Test. All these oral only cycles are easier but they r inferior in every other way IMO.
 
To Fueled passion; I`m at approx 15-16%... abs visible, but smooth. 5`4", bit over 17 inch arms with pump. weight 171lbs. Generally alround developed. Can see if I can pm you a picture. Gained mostly leg mass during the havoc test, since I started heavy squatting again at the same time . (dont do legs much, since they grow very quick, to keep my body balanced) Grown almost better off than on really.

But my friends very light sd pulses seem extremely safe for some extra gains... people already suspected I`m on something anyway, even before the havoc cycle, that really did little... but if I do a full cycle of SD and blow up 10-15lbs.. I might get tested and thrown out of the gym..lol. So then I`d rather not use it at all...
 
flightposite said:
Jbry if I still have a bottle of m drol I might be willing to front you a bottle for you to test the pulse method with an open mind. I as well as many others respect your opinion and would like to see what your thoughts are regarding pulsing once you have tried it. I may have sold my last bottle though but I will check tomorrow for it if you want it.
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that sounds like a plan worth looking into.
 
pm me your addy if you want to give it a try i have MethAnstane only super clone i have left.
 
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