Themanabolic
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totally overlooking the DNP :twak:
Save your money use ECA Stack
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totally overlooking the DNP :twak:
justreading
Banned
I have my reasons:
ECAY stack - Some energy and appetite control
t3 - low dose to offset slowdown on a long diet, basically in the normal range
DNP - burn off excess glucose when re-entering ketosis, also very usefull non-stim nighttime fat burner
Clen - My favorite fat burner but need 120+ when used alone and that makes training abs impossible because of cramps, stacked I can use much less and still train abs
My doses are all on the very low end but using more things for their unique benefits
Oh and just started eviscerate today
Themanabolic
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Fair enough, ill rep you just for the worlds most amazing stack !
It all makes sense though, and at small doses like you are doing there shouldn't be much bad it is doing to you, unless you are using the clen for over 2 weeks at a time.. then you will get down-regulation of your Beta receptors - not good
soontobbeast
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what do yall think of 1 cap of leviathan RL( yohimbine and caffeine), 25mg ephedra, and like 350mg of GTE?
just started taking leviathan but im not sure how much caffeine is in it, or whether i should bump it up to 2 per dose along with the ephedrine, or whether i should be taking both together anyway.
comments?
just started taking leviathan but im not sure how much caffeine is in it, or whether i should bump it up to 2 per dose along with the ephedrine, or whether i should be taking both together anyway.
comments?
TheDarkHalf
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Overkill with the GTE. I would say drop the caffeine, but since it is apart of the leviathan you can't do that. The only way to see how effective a stack is would be to run it, log it, take a break from it, and then change the stack, run it again, and then compare end results.
John Smeton
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It is in a topical rub on that I have been using by LG sciences called lipoburn.
It was originally used with ephedrine back in the sixties. to overdose ec you have to do something like 50 x's the amount. Theophylline speeds it up to 25 x's.
aspirin, tyrosine whatever else your using speeds up. do your home work ec is nothing to play with mixing other stufff if one does not know what they are doing.
Themanabolic
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It will make no difference to the ECY but maybe to the creatine as you have caffeine in there too, which will counter act the creatine: I knew this already but googled a source just for you lol:
news.bio-medicine.org/biology-news-2/Findings-conclude-sustained-caffeine-intake-negates-the-benefits-of-creatine-supplements-8095-2/
TheDarkHalf
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If you re-read that, he's basically saying that the effects of caffeine are counteracted by the effects of the creatine. Here's the pdf for full review.
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Themanabolic
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no I meant as you are throwing caffeine in the mixer too that the caffeine from the ECY will effect the creatine
or..
What he said ^^^
NJbreed
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what asprin for in the ECA STACK? WHY DO SOME DROP IT AND RUN EC OR ECY?
soontobbeast
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i drop the aspirin because i stack EC with leviathan reloaded which has a ton of Y.
TheDarkHalf
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Please read through this thread and then ask your question again, as this question has already been answered and debated. I'm not here to spoon feed.
KgTomCat
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ok, thanx, Im not going to do any creatine then, also I've stopped taking a pre-WO supp (NOS) and feel great....:think:
Jbrooks
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John Smeton
Legend
I drop A because the original studies in the sixties were not done with aspirin. and I really do not want aspirin in my stack. does it speed things up? yes...there are also unlimited other substances that speed the thermo effects up as well.
TheDarkHalf
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Good point. However I will also add to this and say that everyone that tries an EXX stack (the XX being whatever you decide to add to the E), needs to experiment to find what works best for them. ECA may work better for one person and EGY may work better for someone else. There are lots of different ways to set up an EXX stack. Or in the words of the 3rd brother guarding the holy grail in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade.....
"Chose, but chose wisely."
KgTomCat
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John Smeton
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I have tapoered down to 1 bronkaid in morning with 200 mgs caffiene and 100 mgs caffiene about four hours later. Dorian Yates talks about coming off ECA. That why i think it is important for a smooth come down. next ill do 0.5 (and keep the caffiene in)
maybe reduce it to
0.5 Bronkaid, and 100 mgs caffiene , four hours later 100 mgs caffiene
Then when caffiene only start lowering the dosing on caffiene, eventually add in L-tyrosine, and then, come off caffiene completely and use l-tyrosine.
so thats where I am right now..coming off stimulants.
maybe reduce it to
0.5 Bronkaid, and 100 mgs caffiene , four hours later 100 mgs caffiene
Then when caffiene only start lowering the dosing on caffiene, eventually add in L-tyrosine, and then, come off caffiene completely and use l-tyrosine.
so thats where I am right now..coming off stimulants.
KgTomCat
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thats where I went weong last, I just stopped cold turkey, what does Dorian say about it
TheDarkHalf
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Well I finished my taper off and I can say that it felt great with no sides.
John Smeton
Legend
he says it has side effects coming off. He does not know about tapering off. Tapering off is so simple yet so effective.
Im happy to hear this.
what taper down did you end up doing?
I spent some time writing my taper down plan on paper and I am listening to my body and it is taking shorter to come off then I had written for myself on paper.
TheDarkHalf
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Well for one here's one ECA dose -
1 bronkaid
1 no-doze
1 baby aspirin (EOD)
And I did it like this...just a simple 1/2/3/4/3/2/1
1 bronkaid
1 no-doze
1 baby aspirin (EOD)
And I did it like this...just a simple 1/2/3/4/3/2/1
KgTomCat
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i meant to do that, but did somethig more like 1/2/3/4/2/1...when I do ECY again in about 2 weeks Ill do it correctly
ahsswimmaster
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Will I be able to loose 1.5% Bf in around 8 days? I'll be doing E/C and eviscerate. My cals will be no more than 1500 per day with less than 20g carb except on refeed day. I'll be lifting and then cardio on rest day.*
*Only like 8 days til I leave for Hawaii.*
Should i go 200mg/25mg 3x or 4x per day? How many cals should ( more or less of the 1500 i'm eating now?) and then break p/f/c %.???
Sine it's only for 8 days I think i will be able to really push myself
*Only like 8 days til I leave for Hawaii.*
Should i go 200mg/25mg 3x or 4x per day? How many cals should ( more or less of the 1500 i'm eating now?) and then break p/f/c %.???
Sine it's only for 8 days I think i will be able to really push myself
KgTomCat
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slow down...wuts ur experience with stims? hows your diet? a clean or dirty 1500 cals? how much u weigh? height? how long u been training...etc
ahsswimmaster
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Diet is very clean and I've been very strict with it. not much exp with stims but I tried slim xtreme and liked it at a higher dose. Been lifting hard for only a couple of months cuz I used be a swimmer. I'm 5'9" and I weigh like 154. I have a small bit of def on my abs. Just want a little to push out that last bit of fat.
ahsswimmaster
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Alright I'm gonna go for it. Gonna star today with 25/200 twice. Tomorrow I'll add 5mg yohimbine. If everything stays good I'll try 3x per day. I'll eat about 1300 cals 80/10/10 and I'll do a carb refeed after 6 days. Day 1 I'll do fasted am cardio and then weights in the afternone, Day 2 fasted am cardio and the ab and body weight workout. I'll adjust based on how I feel. I will b doing this for 9 days. I'll let u know how it goes.
justreading
Banned
1300 cals? You BW is low but that insane!
KgTomCat
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keep us posted
im no expert, but that seems like a little too much lol
:sigh1:
KgTomCat
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ahsswimmaster
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So today was day 1. 153.3lbs 12%bf. I have been doing very low carb diet with no refeeds for the past to weeks so today and tomorrow i figured it might be a good Idea to replenish my glycogen. As for the E/C I took 25/200 twice didn't really feel to different beside low appitite. Tomorrow I'll up it to 3x. I ran out of money so I won't be getting the yohimbine till hopefully early next week and I will using alpha burn(it was recommend at being better than the yohimbine). I'll update in a few days.
TheDarkHalf
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That's way to fast IMO. Ramping up to 2x and even 3x per day will cause your BP to skyrocket. You may see some unwanted side effects up front and possibly when you decide to cease taking it as well.
You might want to PM UKStrength.
Hyperion
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JudoJosh
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Got a quick question, I been taking eca for the past couple weeks now (about 3 or 4) with a off day every Sunday and I have taken it before prior to this time aswell. Anyway I was just wondering how bad is it to take doses earlier then soupposed to
I have heard to space doeses 2 ways, either 4 or 5 hours apart. I usually take 4 hours apart.
My question is, say I wake up late and start taking eca late, if I wait every 4 hours my last one will be after 2pm and then I have trouble sleeping so sometimes I cut down an extra 30mins between does to make up for time, is this gonna have bad effects for me?
Say for example I woke up at 7 so I take eca stack at 7am, 1030am, then 230pm... Would that be ok? I don't exced the daily mg limit just take them closer together every once in a while. For the most part I'm up at 5am and space them 4hrs.
Thanks
I have heard to space doeses 2 ways, either 4 or 5 hours apart. I usually take 4 hours apart.
My question is, say I wake up late and start taking eca late, if I wait every 4 hours my last one will be after 2pm and then I have trouble sleeping so sometimes I cut down an extra 30mins between does to make up for time, is this gonna have bad effects for me?
Say for example I woke up at 7 so I take eca stack at 7am, 1030am, then 230pm... Would that be ok? I don't exced the daily mg limit just take them closer together every once in a while. For the most part I'm up at 5am and space them 4hrs.
Thanks
TheDarkHalf
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This is question that only applies to you, so only you can answer it. Do what you feel like you need to do. If you're taking it too late in the day and it's keeping you up.....then stop. Pretty simple. I always took my last ECA preWO at like 5pm and was able to sleep fine. Don't be afraid to experiment with your dosings - as long as you aren't exceeding 100mg of ephedra per day you'll be fine.
KgTomCat
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:usa:
KgTomCat
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:laugh2:
KgTomCat
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no, but the guifesen (spelling) helps your respiratory system so it will be slighty easier to do cardio, and you get a sense of well being from it (I do...)
TheDarkHalf
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For all intents and purposes, yes. I think the HCI happens to be a little more effective (discussed in length somewhere in this thread), but not by much. The bronkaid has more guaifenesin than the primatene but the bronkaid also has more ephedra.
One primatene tab = 12.5 mg HCI and 200mg Guaifenesin
One bronkaid tab = 25mg Sulfate and 400mg Guaifenesin
There is no real noticeable difference. Both are effective in aiding fat loss and curbing your appetite.