infinitepower
Member
Gains? Recomp?
SARMs
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Gains? Recomp?
YouBet33
Well-known member
What brand?
Kickstart7
Well-known member
Gained about 5 pounds of muscle probably for a recomp
OL's ostar1ne and the lgd is from an RC company I can't source
Kickstart7
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Joedoubledose
Well-known member
Kickstart what was the dosage you did ? And we're you eating above maintenance ?
Kickstart7
Well-known member
I was and am maintenance which I'm pissed about but it happens with work :/ anyways dosage is lgd 7/ osta 15 mg
Joedoubledose
Well-known member
Yeah I feel you , I mean I'm sure the fact you took osta with it is why you gained 5lbs , it's probably all solid lbm because the osta is really gonna help with fat reduction . Do you have before and after pics to compare?
muscle inc.
Member
Any more info or experience with the water weight it adds? I have read a couple logs on here and other forums of people blowing up like 10 pounds holding water and stopping, then losing it all within three days. Is this typical? Anything to offset (non injectable)?
Danes
Well-known member
This is due to the diet
Decreasing sodium and carb intake would lower the risk of that issue.
Many of my friends didnt experienced any issue.
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
Water weight from ostarine or LGD-4033? I didn't experience that from either of them. If there was any at all, it wasn't really noticeable.
Edit: But for both runs I was also using Inhibit-E at 2 caps a day.
muscle inc.
Member
My bad, water weight from MK-677. Several reports of people blowing up with water so much they discontinue use. Others report some but not so bad.
CJNator
Well-known member
Log?
huxley309
Member
I wish, honestly i haven't enough hours in the day i'd love to if not for the benefit for you guys.
Still i can chime in on the occasional thread and let it be known how i feel for sure.
sanmarino
Member
Was exactly my cycle
Finished after 10 days now. You will have fun, trust me. The regeneration is insane probably you have to choose a trainingplan with higher frequency and/or more intensity.
huxley309
Member
Was exactly my cycle
Well that's my current training plan anyway, i find i respond better to higher rep ranges anyway.
Nice one, finally nice to meet someone who's done it, i bet it treated you very nicely.
So come on man spill, what was it like
sanmarino
Member
As said: enourmous. LGD + S-4 is in my eyes the hardest possible SARM combination.
I ran:
LGD: 7mg/ed
S-4: up to 75mg/ed (first cycle "only" 50mg/ed)
GW: 20mg/ed (later then 15 -> 10mg/ed to expand the intake)
MK-677: 25mg/ed
But don't expect too much, these are SARM and not AAS. The only "on-feeling" you will probably get on high LGD and high S-4. Was the best part in my cycle.
GW will give you a lot of stamnia (written like that?). Was using it with priority to the blood values and was no disappointed.
MK-677 will - if it's real MK and you are not too young - give you the biggest surprise. I slept like a stone (no joke, I fell asleep within 2 minutes). "Unfortunately", my normal sleep is strong and good enough so due to the MK-677 I slept even deeper. And when the alarm clocl rings in the morning I taught it's like 3-4 a.m. lol
But after couple of minutes you are awaken and ready for a new day.
Gained 13.2lbs and about 9.9lbs of them lean mass. Be aware of the nutrition while taking MK-677. The ghelin has an enourmous power which definitely won't help you in a cutting phase. Due to the MK-677 I gained also fat mass (if you have calculated) but I can live with that.
As said: regeneration is enormous. With frequency I meant the frequency of training days per week and not high rep sets. I learned about this stack and I'm now able to improve it for a next time (and to give recommendations as good as possible).
I will answer you tomorrow (if you have some more). In my time zone it's time to release some STH
I ran:
LGD: 7mg/ed
S-4: up to 75mg/ed (first cycle "only" 50mg/ed)
GW: 20mg/ed (later then 15 -> 10mg/ed to expand the intake)
MK-677: 25mg/ed
But don't expect too much, these are SARM and not AAS. The only "on-feeling" you will probably get on high LGD and high S-4. Was the best part in my cycle.
GW will give you a lot of stamnia (written like that?). Was using it with priority to the blood values and was no disappointed.
MK-677 will - if it's real MK and you are not too young - give you the biggest surprise. I slept like a stone (no joke, I fell asleep within 2 minutes). "Unfortunately", my normal sleep is strong and good enough so due to the MK-677 I slept even deeper. And when the alarm clocl rings in the morning I taught it's like 3-4 a.m. lol
But after couple of minutes you are awaken and ready for a new day.
Gained 13.2lbs and about 9.9lbs of them lean mass. Be aware of the nutrition while taking MK-677. The ghelin has an enourmous power which definitely won't help you in a cutting phase. Due to the MK-677 I gained also fat mass (if you have calculated) but I can live with that.
As said: regeneration is enormous. With frequency I meant the frequency of training days per week and not high rep sets. I learned about this stack and I'm now able to improve it for a next time (and to give recommendations as good as possible).
I will answer you tomorrow (if you have some more). In my time zone it's time to release some STH
Rocket3015
Legend
I quit after about a week................
huxley309
Member
That pretty much covers it for me, I just needed something to help me bounce back as I've been really going for it lately.As said: enourmous. LGD + S-4 is in my eyes the hardest possible SARM combination.
I ran:
LGD: 7mg/ed
S-4: up to 75mg/ed (first cycle "only" 50mg/ed)
GW: 20mg/ed (later then 15 -> 10mg/ed to expand the intake)
MK-677: 25mg/ed
But don't expect too much, these are SARM and not AAS. The only "on-feeling" you will probably get on high LGD and high S-4. Was the best part in my cycle.
GW will give you a lot of stamnia (written like that?). Was using it with priority to the blood values and was no disappointed.
MK-677 will - if it's real MK and you are not too young - give you the biggest surprise. I slept like a stone (no joke, I fell asleep within 2 minutes). "Unfortunately", my normal sleep is strong and good enough so due to the MK-677 I slept even deeper. And when the alarm clocl rings in the morning I taught it's like 3-4 a.m. lol
But after couple of minutes you are awaken and ready for a new day.
Gained 13.2lbs and about 9.9lbs of them lean mass. Be aware of the nutrition while taking MK-677. The ghelin has an enourmous power which definitely won't help you in a cutting phase. Due to the MK-677 I gained also fat mass (if you have calculated) but I can live with that.
As said: regeneration is enormous. With frequency I meant the frequency of training days per week and not high rep sets. I learned about this stack and I'm now able to improve it for a next time (and to give recommendations as good as possible).
I will answer you tomorrow (if you have some more). In my time zone it's time to release some STH
roy_jones
Member
As said: enourmous. LGD + S-4 is in my eyes the hardest possible SARM combination.
I ran:
LGD: 7mg/ed
S-4: up to 75mg/ed (first cycle "only" 50mg/ed)
GW: 20mg/ed (later then 15 -> 10mg/ed to expand the intake)
MK-677: 25mg/ed
But don't expect too much, these are SARM and not AAS. The only "on-feeling" you will probably get on high LGD and high S-4. Was the best part in my cycle.
GW will give you a lot of stamnia (written like that?). Was using it with priority to the blood values and was no disappointed.
MK-677 will - if it's real MK and you are not too young - give you the biggest surprise. I slept like a stone (no joke, I fell asleep within 2 minutes). "Unfortunately", my normal sleep is strong and good enough so due to the MK-677 I slept even deeper. And when the alarm clocl rings in the morning I taught it's like 3-4 a.m. lol
But after couple of minutes you are awaken and ready for a new day.
Gained 13.2lbs and about 9.9lbs of them lean mass. Be aware of the nutrition while taking MK-677. The ghelin has an enourmous power which definitely won't help you in a cutting phase. Due to the MK-677 I gained also fat mass (if you have calculated) but I can live with that.
As said: regeneration is enormous. With frequency I meant the frequency of training days per week and not high rep sets. I learned about this stack and I'm now able to improve it for a next time (and to give recommendations as good as possible).
I will answer you tomorrow (if you have some more). In my time zone it's time to release some STH
The feedback on MK-677 in particular is invaluable. It's a little more expensive than I initially realized and that's even with my plan to use it at 50% dosage.
I hope you'll consider posting your comments on MK-677 separately so that others who are interested will have access to your feedback and it doesn't get buried here. I have sleep issues, so my mind is happy rationalizing a future MK-677 purchase for the "sleep" benefits.
sanmarino
Member
Danes and me made some several posts on this forum to MK-677. Don't know where to post it seperately
There is a "search tool" and I think everyone knows how to use it 
Of course you can use it at 12.5mg/ed. But the effect will decrease in comparison to 25mg/ed (or even 50mg/ed). At the moment, I can't say how the couse of action is (graphically measured on a logarithmic scale). Maybe you will alredy reach with 12.5mg near than 60% of the dosage-performance-ratio. I can imagine, that 25mg are somewhere around 80%. That means, that you doubled the dosage but only increased the output by 20%.
But that is honestly my presumption and shouldn't be taken so serious. Maybe I'm wong?
I can't guarantee you if MK-677 will improve your problem. Do you know why you have sleep problems? Have you already made a blood or MRI test?
Me personally was blessed with the probably best sleep I can imagine
And MK-677 had its advantages and disadvantages. I slept "too heavy" that I had truble to stand up. But once you stood up and had your good morning shake, everything got well.I had MK-677 als tablets but that was the only exception because I can trust the supplier (research chemical producer). Normally, I get my research chemicals as liquid to be on safer sides and never had a problem (just one time: underdosed LGD with a new supplier. Unfortunately, I ordered from the new batch
). But to be honest: better underdosaged stuff insted of mixed stuff with AAS/PH/other raw chemicals. And a lot are more expensive to change their physical state from powder/tablets to liquids. So you can minimize the risks.Other big point is the improved skin tone. Skin got clearer and it was nice. Finished now 11 days ago and more or less still good as during the cycle. Biggest aspect was the Ghrelin. That stuff was poured out like hell and the hunger increased. In the morning before waking-up (still sleeping but in the subconscious you can alredy feel the hunger pain and when you wake-up... better get some nutrition) and in the late evening (impossible to resist after dinner haha). That's why I also gained some nice fat mass (not that dramatic but in a pure SARM cycle that happened only on a very small part).
If you use MK-677 for sleep benefits, maybe 12.5mg/ed are enough. But best for bulking and in combination with an anabolic compound (or only for the elder people).
I made some tests and took it in the morning, evenin, afternoon with or without meal. In my case, I took it pre-bed to receive the biggest possible effect. But if taken in the morning, there was no tireness/sleepyness/lethargy or something. In some studies, the test subject received the MK-677 in the morning (between 0800 and 0900 with 250ml water). That should also work.
During this time, increase the kcal slowly (and keep the carbohydrates on average). Together with an anabolic compound it will unfold huge potential. But don't overestimate the effect: you can't compare it with a "well-beeing-"drug or AAS.
Cheers
sanmarino
AndroRage
Well-known member
As said: enourmous. LGD + S-4 is in my eyes the hardest possible SARM combination. I ran: LGD: 7mg/ed S-4: up to 75mg/ed (first cycle "only" 50mg/ed) GW: 20mg/ed (later then 15 -> 10mg/ed to expand the intake) MK-677: 25mg/ed But don't expect too much, these are SARM and not AAS. The only "on-feeling" you will probably get on high LGD and high S-4. Was the best part in my cycle. GW will give you a lot of stamnia (written like that?). Was using it with priority to the blood values and was no disappointed. MK-677 will - if it's real MK and you are not too young - give you the biggest surprise. I slept like a stone (no joke, I fell asleep within 2 minutes). "Unfortunately", my normal sleep is strong and good enough so due to the MK-677 I slept even deeper. And when the alarm clocl rings in the morning I taught it's like 3-4 a.m. lol But after couple of minutes you are awaken and ready for a new day. Gained 13.2lbs and about 9.9lbs of them lean mass. Be aware of the nutrition while taking MK-677. The ghelin has an enourmous power which definitely won't help you in a cutting phase. Due to the MK-677 I gained also fat mass (if you have calculated) but I can live with that. As said: regeneration is enormous. With frequency I meant the frequency of training days per week and not high rep sets. I learned about this stack and I'm now able to improve it for a next time (and to give recommendations as good as possible). I will answer you tomorrow (if you have some more). In my time zone it's time to release some STH
Hi San Marino.
You seem to have a lot of knowledge on thes specific topic. Are you able to write the title of each sarm e.g "S-4" and a brief description.
(You can PM me this if you like)
Also I noticed the absence of Ostarine in your cycle, is it useless & weak? I ask as I have ordered some and was looking forwarding to running it
Thanks
sanmarino
Member
Hi
Are you joking? BRIEF desciption? That's not possible. It's not like: substance A has this effect, take that much for that gains. End.
The whole situation is very complex with it pathways. It's like a book with a lot of chapters and even the chapters have chapters (Leo would say "Chapterception").
Especially on experimental drugs is the understanding of the whole process (for me and as researched by now) necessary. It's also an ethic component.
If wished from the AM community (and if allowed) I will set up a new thread with all the facts and figures on SARM, PPAR and GHRH (total three new threads).
Unfortunately, I'm totally blocked for the next three weeks to write seriously on the new threads (as said, if wished). For short questions I'm mostly avaiable.
Why I didn't use Ostarine? Well, I'm using it now (10mg/ed) with Tamoxifene (20mg/ed) for total four weeks.
But in my opinion, to add Ostarine to the cycle would be an overkill and the added benefit would decrease more - spoken in percent.
Are you joking? BRIEF desciption?
That's not possible. It's not like: substance A has this effect, take that much for that gains. End.The whole situation is very complex with it pathways. It's like a book with a lot of chapters and even the chapters have chapters (Leo would say "Chapterception").
Especially on experimental drugs is the understanding of the whole process (for me and as researched by now) necessary. It's also an ethic component.
If wished from the AM community (and if allowed) I will set up a new thread with all the facts and figures on SARM, PPAR and GHRH (total three new threads).
Unfortunately, I'm totally blocked for the next three weeks to write seriously on the new threads (as said, if wished). For short questions I'm mostly avaiable.
Why I didn't use Ostarine? Well, I'm using it now (10mg/ed) with Tamoxifene (20mg/ed) for total four weeks.
But in my opinion, to add Ostarine to the cycle would be an overkill and the added benefit would decrease more - spoken in percent.
sanmarino
Member
I will make a blood test, then we will know more about that
Furthermore, after my research such a dosage is strong enough to act anabolic/anti-catabolic and should be weak enough not to disturb the effect on the SERM.
Let's wait for the test then we are able to verify or falsify my hypothesis.
goodvibes
Well-known member
You might be ok but others may act differently. The only way we can tell is by individual blood test. Your blood test can show that hey it CAN be ok but it's not the answer for everyone.I will make a blood test, then we will know more about that
Furthermore, after my research such a dosage is strong enough to act anabolic/anti-catabolic and should be weak enough not to disturb the effect on the SERM.
Let's wait for the test then we are able to verify or falsify my hypothesis.
goodvibes
Well-known member
Repped, great post. Keep us updated w/ your results. I'm working on something then I'll start posting bloods soon too.
sanmarino
Member
In my Ostarine-history was never a need for a SERM (blood tested, only once not). That also shows how different bodies work. Were your HTPA nealy shutdown?
sanmarino
Member
I will. Will give right after PCT end (3-4 weeks) an update.
goodvibes
Well-known member
My test was lower but not a significant amount. About 20% so I didn't feel the need to run fh/lsh I knew I can recover easily from suppression. Shut down I wasn't.
sanmarino
Member
All right. So your Total Testosterone was tested, right? Regarding to the studies the total testosterone value decreases but NOT the free testosterone. Would be interesring to know that one.
I used DAA and some plants and roots and the hormone values were again on the old level.
But that was only the case on Osta only and once on Osta + S-4.
In case of my recently finished stack I didn't want to go on full risk because of LGD and S-4.
Joedoubledose
Well-known member
That'd be awesome if you did a little right up on Sarms , ppar's and ghrh'sHi
Are you joking? BRIEF desciption?
The whole situation is very complex with it pathways. It's like a book with a lot of chapters and even the chapters have chapters (Leo would say "Chapterception").
Especially on experimental drugs is the understanding of the whole process (for me and as researched by now) necessary. It's also an ethic component.
If wished from the AM community (and if allowed) I will set up a new thread with all the facts and figures on SARM, PPAR and GHRH (total three new threads).
Unfortunately, I'm totally blocked for the next three weeks to write seriously on the new threads (as said, if wished). For short questions I'm mostly avaiable.
Why I didn't use Ostarine? Well, I'm using it now (10mg/ed) with Tamoxifene (20mg/ed) for total four weeks.
But in my opinion, to add Ostarine to the cycle would be an overkill and the added benefit would decrease more - spoken in percent.
Joedoubledose
Well-known member
A decrease or increase ?
Danes
Well-known member
First if all , MK677 is NOT a SARM
"The researchers determined that exercise was a good tool to reveal deficits of the HPA axis and growth hormone production after ICS treatment, even if those deficits are not identified by static markers. Additionally, neutrophils can be used as sensitive surrogate markers of the systemic effects of ICS.(such as fluticasone/flonase)."
So keep working out and you will be fine
roy_jones
Member
Danes and me made some several posts on this forum to MK-677. Don't know where to post it seperately
Of course you can use it at 12.5mg/ed. But the effect will decrease in comparison to 25mg/ed (or even 50mg/ed). At the moment, I can't say how the couse of action is (graphically measured on a logarithmic scale). Maybe you will alredy reach with 12.5mg near than 60% of the dosage-performance-ratio. I can imagine, that 25mg are somewhere around 80%. That means, that you doubled the dosage but only increased the output by 20%.
But that is honestly my presumption and shouldn't be taken so serious. Maybe I'm wong?
I've read that you need six months or more to see significant benefits from using GH secretalogues. I read some dramatic sounding logs about the effects of MK-677 and figured that I would be happy at a smaller dosage, but it was mostly with the idea of being able to get three or four months use. As curious as I am, I figure I'm going to give ostarine a try first.
I can't guarantee you if MK-677 will improve your problem. Do you know why you have sleep problems? Have you already made a blood or MRI test?
Me personally was blessed with the probably best sleep I can imagine
I had MK-677 als tablets but that was the only exception because I can trust the supplier (research chemical producer). Normally, I get my research chemicals as liquid to be on safer sides and never had a problem (just one time: underdosed LGD with a new supplier. Unfortunately, I ordered from the new batch
Other big point is the improved skin tone. Skin got clearer and it was nice. Finished now 11 days ago and more or less still good as during the cycle. Biggest aspect was the Ghrelin. That stuff was poured out like hell and the hunger increased. In the morning before waking-up (still sleeping but in the subconscious you can alredy feel the hunger pain and when you wake-up... better get some nutrition) and in the late evening (impossible to resist after dinner haha). That's why I also gained some nice fat mass (not that dramatic but in a pure SARM cycle that happened only on a very small part).
If you use MK-677 for sleep benefits, maybe 12.5mg/ed are enough. But best for bulking and in combination with an anabolic compound (or only for the elder people).
I made some tests and took it in the morning, evenin, afternoon with or without meal. In my case, I took it pre-bed to receive the biggest possible effect. But if taken in the morning, there was no tireness/sleepyness/lethargy or something. In some studies, the test subject received the MK-677 in the morning (between 0800 and 0900 with 250ml water). That should also work.
During this time, increase the kcal slowly (and keep the carbohydrates on average). Together with an anabolic compound it will unfold huge potential. But don't overestimate the effect: you can't compare it with a "well-beeing-"drug or AAS.
Cheers
sanmarino
Thanks for the feedback. I'm guessing this is one of those compounds that I'll try in a year once I have a little more experience.
huxley309
Member
Well i'm on my stack, just a couple days in and already i'm noticing increased recovery, but better yet a sense of well being and restfulness, something i've been missing for a long while no thanks to tren.
Still a bit sleepy, but hey that's dieting for you, always have been but so far things are feeling pretty sweet.
This is just the one tab, so 15mg lgd4033, 15mg mk677, 25mg s4 and 10mg gw.
Still a bit sleepy, but hey that's dieting for you, always have been but so far things are feeling pretty sweet.
This is just the one tab, so 15mg lgd4033, 15mg mk677, 25mg s4 and 10mg gw.
sanmarino
Member
Nice to hear that. Yes, the recovery is out from this world. Tell me again in two to three weeks
15mg/ed LGD is pretty high. Are you increasing the dosage of S-4 slowly to avoid side effects? Good choice with the 10mg/ed dosage with GW. It's also my sweet spot.
huxley309
Member
Nice to hear that. Yes, the recovery is out from this world. Tell me again in two to three weeks
15mg/ed LGD is pretty high. Are you increasing the dosage of S-4 slowly to avoid side effects? Good choice with the 10mg/ed dosage with GW. It's also my sweet spot.
Yup is high, sadly that's what they provide in the cap, instead of buying more of those i might just go out and buy more gw, s4 and mk667 to get around that little issue.
I am watchful for the s4 and it's vision sides so yes i suppose i am, i might run this 5 days on 2 off as weekends are my time off anyway.
Already getting tingly fingers.
sanmarino
Member
IF there are 15mg/ed it's nice because I only used nearly the half of that and that was okay. Sometimes I think I should have used 10mg/ed at least...
But this is only my opinion in my case.
S-4 will give you more strength than muscle mass and will give you a nice vascularity (S-4 is also a so called Oxandrolone-Stanozolol-Hybride). 5on-2off is a good scheme I also used that.
Every week I bumped the dose up by 10mg/ed (started with 30mg/ed, than 40mg/ed, 50mg/ed and that was the limit in my fist S-4 cycle. In my second cycle I could run 75mg/ed without having such bad side effects).
The increase of 50mg/ed to 75mg/ed is noticeable.
But 50mg/ed is also good for a first experience. If you are really, really scared you can make a test at the ophthalmologist. Had normal results, twice.
And I guess that S-4 has something to to with the Vitamine A (in a negative way, that means, it decreases it). Didn't made a Vit A test, was too expensive (nearly $ 200).
But I should definitely make such a test next time.
But this is only my opinion in my case.
S-4 will give you more strength than muscle mass and will give you a nice vascularity (S-4 is also a so called Oxandrolone-Stanozolol-Hybride). 5on-2off is a good scheme I also used that.
Every week I bumped the dose up by 10mg/ed (started with 30mg/ed, than 40mg/ed, 50mg/ed and that was the limit in my fist S-4 cycle. In my second cycle I could run 75mg/ed without having such bad side effects).
The increase of 50mg/ed to 75mg/ed is noticeable.
But 50mg/ed is also good for a first experience. If you are really, really scared you can make a test at the ophthalmologist. Had normal results, twice.
And I guess that S-4 has something to to with the Vitamine A (in a negative way, that means, it decreases it). Didn't made a Vit A test, was too expensive
(nearly $ 200).But I should definitely make such a test next time.
huxley309
Member
IF there are 15mg/ed it's nice because I only used nearly the half of that and that was okay. Sometimes I think I should have used 10mg/ed at least...
But this is only my opinion in my case.
S-4 will give you more strength than muscle mass and will give you a nice vascularity (S-4 is also a so called Oxandrolone-Stanozolol-Hybride). 5on-2off is a good scheme I also used that.
Every week I bumped the dose up by 10mg/ed (started with 30mg/ed, than 40mg/ed, 50mg/ed and that was the limit in my fist S-4 cycle. In my second cycle I could run 75mg/ed without having such bad side effects).
The increase of 50mg/ed to 75mg/ed is noticeable.
But 50mg/ed is also good for a first experience. If you are really, really scared you can make a test at the ophthalmologist. Had normal results, twice.
And I guess that S-4 has something to to with the Vitamine A (in a negative way, that means, it decreases it). Didn't made a Vit A test, was too expensive
But I should definitely make such a test next time.
Well the caps are 15mg lgd, 25mg s-4 and 15mg mk-677 so as you can see the dosing is a bit wrong.
I'll have to go and buy some indidually and tailor it to my needs something like.
15mg LGD, 50mg S-4, 10mg GW, 25mg MK-677
I just wanted something to keep me going whilst i give aas a long break, my last cycle despite great results it hammered me.
Danes
Well-known member
Ahhh, now I understand. The whole stuff is in one capsule? Bad for you, this constellation makes no sense haha
But don't give up
Clear your Inbox mate