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hamdysayed said:
Already bought mk677.
Sick deal, too bad alot of ppl don't trust OL n think their products not to be trusted.
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Any reason for this? Doesnt make a lot of sense not to trust one of the only companies that 3rd party tests every batch of product
 
I am learning a lot from this thread. I have some MK and olny used it for a week do to water retention, I may have to give it another go. Any Ideas ???
 
Rocket3015 said:
I am learning a lot from this thread. I have some MK and olny used it for a week do to water retention, I may have to give it another go. Any Ideas ???
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You are only "horny" when you are always reading about MK-677 :D
As said: keep carbs and sodium low then it should work better than last time. MK-677 in combination with Ostarine is a nice little stack.
 
Rocket3015 said:
I am learning a lot from this thread. I have some MK and olny used it for a week do to water retention, I may have to give it another go. Any Ideas ???
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Why not?
But sodium and carbs should be reduced :)
All guys I know, no one had water retention issues
 
hamdysayed said:
I think if u r using mk677 u can still be natty shoot I'm taking it for recomp I know I'm not gaining crazy size etc.
I say use it now danes jk.
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I would not feel bad if i did a run but it would be best to run with anabolics :)
 
yates84 said:
Any reason for this? Doesnt make a lot of sense not to trust one of the only companies that 3rd party tests every batch of product
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He's referring to the blow up that happened at phf supps forum. A lot of slander based off of assumptions with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Once someone has a negative opinion on these forums it spreads like wild fire and so does the paranoia. Funny that only seems to happen with legit products. Meanwhile Cell Tech is selling out everywhere. Go figure right?
 
JeremyNG25 said:
He's referring to the blow up that happened at phf supps forum. A lot of slander based off of assumptions with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Once someone has a negative opinion on these forums it spreads like wild fire and so does the paranoia. Funny that only seems to happen with legit products. Meanwhile Cell Tech is selling out everywhere. Go figure right?
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Lol the funny thing is, that forum gets close no traffic at all these days. So its pretty far fetched saying alot of people feel this way. Tbh, i haven't come across even a handful of people without a vested interest in stirring up problems that dont exist.
 
hamdysayed said:
I think if u r using mk677 u can still be natty shoot I'm taking it for recomp I know I'm not gaining crazy size etc.
I say use it now danes jk.
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To be correct: if someone is using a "GH-Booster" then you are absolutely not natural anymore. You will have a GH curve which is beyond a natural's. And when talking about natural: theoretically even with a pre-workout booster you are not natural in this training session unless you use a legal product with dosages under the set definition as doping (see caffeine for example).
 
sanmarino said:
To be correct: if someone is using a "GH-Booster" then you are absolutely not natural anymore. You will have a GH curve which is beyond a natural's. And when talking about natural: theoretically even with a pre-workout booster you are not natural in this training session unless you use a legal product with dosages under the set definition as doping (see caffeine for example).
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Take creatine, increased Dht. Opps not natty anymore....
 
If you want to be natural, you have to be a vegetarian (even better: vegan) :D Then you can avoid the creatine in meat.
I know what you all mean. But MK-677 is not smarties and have a significant impact in the hormone balance. Therefore: abusing MK-677 is definitely not natural, hamdysayed.
 
The natty line is something that almost everyone defines differently. I know people that said they did not take any vitamins because they wanted to do it naturally. Really unless you eat almost exclusively food you have grown or from a farmer you personally know and trust IMO you are not natural. Nothing natural about say crystal light, hormone raised beef, or GMO anything. I know people that would consider taking a Vit C tablet unnatural when a large amount of it comes from GMO corn, the same corn they eat when enjoying tortilla chips at a restaurant. At the end of the day who gives a chit. Natural or not hardly anything these days is non-enhanced. Draw the line where you feel comfortable because at the end of the day your opinion of your choices is what really matters.
 
BCseacow83 said:
The natty line is something that almost everyone defines differently. I know people that said they did not take any vitamins because they wanted to do it naturally. Really unless you eat almost exclusively food you have grown or from a farmer you personally know and trust IMO you are not natural. Nothing natural about say crystal light, hormone raised beef, or GMO anything. I know people that would consider taking a Vit C tablet unnatural when a large amount of it comes from GMO corn, the same corn they eat when enjoying tortilla chips at a restaurant. At the end of the day who gives a chit. Natural or not hardly anything these days is non-enhanced. Draw the line where you feel comfortable because at the end of the day your opinion of your choices is what really matters.
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Ofcourse.
I have many friends using steroids and it dont make them bad persons at all.
The only thing even they are concern about is the health after many years of AAS usage.

The main reason I havent tried any AAS,SARM etc is , maybe if I try i will be damn addicted to it. Or maybe not? Who knows,
At thw moment , i am actually very pleased of my gains and maybe when I get older I will be tempted to try.
And injecting lets say Testosterone at an age of 40-50 would be a positive thing (wellbeing,better sleep,libido and much more)
 
Danes said:
Ofcourse.
I have many friends using steroids and it dont make them bad persons at all.
The only thing even they are concern about is the health after many years of AAS usage.

The main reason I havent tried any AAS,SARM etc is , maybe if I try i will be damn addicted to it. Or maybe not? Who knows,
At thw moment , i am actually very pleased of my gains and maybe when I get older I will be tempted to try.
And injecting lets say Testosterone at an age of 40-50 would be a positive thing (wellbeing,better sleep,libido and much more)
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As a 42 yr. old, I will take this statement as the green light to start Test. :) Thanks Danes ! Jk... But seriously... ;)
 
Danes said:
And injecting lets say Testosterone at an age of 40-50 would be a positive thing (wellbeing,better sleep,libido and much more)
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It'll be the next stage in male human evolution, which will also involve certain adaptations...therefore it can be defined as natural (it seems most people's conception of 'natural' intuitively centres around what is considered physiologically 'normal', and what is 'normal' is what we have adapted to, so it kinda follows...)
 
Well damnnn, so I haven't been natty for that long, mmm since I started working out.
damn well that's that yall:).
 
On another note, here is my stack for mk677
HUP A and green tea
pes shift and Norcodrene to help with hunger supression and fat loss.
how u guys would recommend dosing it?
 
IMO why not wait for BLRs Topical estroblocker/fat burner n stack it with MK677 and shift unless u have all that already and 30mgd is fine. Not positive about upping the dose though.
 
CJNator said:
IMO why not wait for BLRs Topical estroblocker/fat burner n stack it with MK677 and shift unless u have all that already and 30mgd is fine. Not positive about upping the dose though.
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Not sure about topical etc, but will be doing 10 to 20 mg mk677 max 30.
 
I'm sure someone else will jump in but I think start off with 20mgs, that is the lowest I've seen people run it. The topical will be out in a week or so, its a fat burner/estroblocker. I don't work for them or anything, I just like to spread word of new stuff lol.
 
yates84 said:
Huperzine a 3 times a day @ 200mcg
Use green tea with Huperzine for increased benifit
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Thanks man I appreciate ur help.
can someone list side effects good and bad from mk677 i.e. green vision lmao wtf is that? And does it effect sexual health in good or bad.
 
hamdysayed said:
Thanks man I appreciate ur help.
can someone list side effects good and bad from mk677 i.e. green vision lmao wtf is that? And does it effect sexual health in good or bad.
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No vision sides from mk677 to my knowledge. S4 is another story and I personally choose to stay away from that one. MK677 can induce appetite increases in a dose dependent manner. This can be a positive or a negative depending on the individual and their goals. It can also make some very sleepy/fatigued. Most experience some water retention and severity can be mitigated via diet/supplementation.

Positives: positive nitrogen balance, increased lipolysis, and greater recovery.
 
Has anyone used the oral liquid LGD from researchsarms its not cheap but they say its 99% pure c&p is alot cheaper and jw supps as well any advice
 
goodvibes said:
How's your lgd switch? Notice any difference?
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Well, it's a little early to tell since it's only been 2 weeks, but, just in the past few days I've received several positive comments, and I believe I look leaner as well. There's a couple of factors at play in this though, since I stopped the ostarine a few days ago and started Black Lion's new Letrone also. This may be too early to say, but at this point, I don't think I'll be using the rest of my PN LGD.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Well, it's a little early to tell since it's only been 2 weeks, but, just in the past few days I've received several positive comments, and I believe I look leaner as well. There's a couple of factors at play in this though, since I stopped the ostarine a few days ago and started Black Lion's new Letrone also. This may be too early to say, but at this point, I don't think I'll be using the rest of my PN LGD.
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Good for you man, PN actually is just horrible at conducting business
 
My experience with MK-677 so far. Today is day seven @25mg per day before bed. Sleep is 'different', seem to fall into deeper sleep with very vivid dreams but wake up frequently during the night. Haven't noticed better recovery yet but really early. Hunger is definitely increased.

My weight has been crazy though, I guess from the water retention? Just yesterday, woke up and was 206, went to bed at 212, and this morning weighed in at 210.
 
muscle inc. said:
My experience with MK-677 so far. Today is day seven @25mg per day before bed. Sleep is 'different', seem to fall into deeper sleep with very vivid dreams but wake up frequently during the night. Haven't noticed better recovery yet but really early. Hunger is definitely increased.

My weight has been crazy though, I guess from the water retention? Just yesterday, woke up and was 206, went to bed at 212, and this morning weighed in at 210.
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Interesting, thanks for the update please keep us posted.
 
Enjoying my run this is with lgd 15mg, s4 25mg, mk677 25mg and gw 10mg

Gw really smashes through the calories, im keeping carbs low but i'm having to eat at least 60g of carbs pre workout otherwise i have nothing there.

I'll be using dna neanderthal 2 once the gw is used up, that add 15mg osta, 25mg s4 and 10mg gw.

Should give things a nice kick half way through, 5 days on 2 off pw.
 
THIS is fantastic..... find out for yourself :)

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Nice info in here! Good topic!
I wonder if anyone would be so keen to PM me with legit source info. I am always skeptical with these products being packaged in bottles to make it look like supplements . Are they legit? Tested? Or it is best to trust the 3x more expensive research Chems companies selling liquid?
 
diogodasilva said:
Nice info in here! Good topic!
I wonder if anyone would be so keen to PM me with legit source info. I am always skeptical with these products being packaged in bottles to make it look like supplements . Are they legit? Tested? Or it is best to trust the 3x more expensive research Chems companies selling liquid?
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No need for pm. Check out OL UK, all of our products are 3rd party lab tested so you know exactly what you are getting. They are very competitively priced as well
 
This may have already been covered by somebody in here and I may have missed it, but two things:

a) I have ran GHRP2 a few times - how does MK 677 compare in terms of effects. For arguments sake lets not bring CJC into it as I wouldnt be running MK with it if I were to cycle it. I know that Ibutamoren is available in peptide form from various suppliers but have never used it.

b) With the GHR peptides it is advised to wait at least 2 hours after food is consumed and 30 minutes before consuming any more food to prevent any insulin from interfering with GH release - how does this bode with MK being orally administered? Obviously it is going to be active whilst food is also being processed throughout the day...
 
Anyone notice improved baby like skin texture on body and forearms from 3-4 months 5 on 2 off usage of Mk677.
 
sanmarino said:
Danes: read the whole study carefully (Invalid Link Removed). The longer you are taking MK-677 the less are the effects over the time period. In this study you can see that even after one week intake the GH-peaks are not anymore that high as at the first intake. Moreover, study these informations (Invalid Link Removed). You will see (the third picture from left) that a 12-month-intake of MK-677 is nearly identical with the baseline again (with some exeptions on the graph, partially the baseline is even higher than the GH of a 12-mont-intake).

A little quote: "Our body has its feedback systems to obtain its physiological levels. When a substance that modulates the endogenous distribution, it's always to be expected that this pushes the values only for a short time over the physiological values".

Therefore a long-term "supplementation" with MK-677 is not that effective (you can take exogenous HGH over a long period of time to have a constant level. With MK-677 that's not possible. With Huperzine-A you can probably prolong the effectiveness of MK-677, but also not for ever).

But yes I agree with you, there is no GH-bleed.
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How long do you recommend running it and at what doses?
 
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