SARMS S1/S4

AdelV

AdelV

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Any feedback on dosage to take, cycle length and PCT?

Ive read S1 is much safer, but S4 is great for a cut.

Is there a real risk involved with S4? As in perm sides? It's a little of a worry.

My mate just grabbed both, he was thinking low dose for 4-5 weeks.. on last week starting eraser/hcgenerate and running 1 scoop cycle support for 8 weeks.

Running mainly a cut/recomp.

Thanks for any advice.
 
It destroyed my vision while on it.. .I couldnt even walk down the hall at night to find the bathroom without dragging my hands along the walls like a blind person to find where I was going. same for in the bedroom, couldnt see my fiance right in front of me even with windows open for moonlight(would just light up the window and everything else would be even darker), makes for some lame sex...

if driving at night I could barely see what was in the range of my headlights, definitely no further and definitely not out my side windows or my mirrors...

During the day everything had a yellow tint...

This was with a moderate 50mg ed dose, it litterally started right away with the moon turning yellow the first night instead of white and progressively got worse even though I dosed in a 5/2 fashion taking off the weekends....

Im pretty sure all vision has returned since stopping but it was an awful and impairing enough experience that i will never do it again, especially since I really didnt think that it was all THAT great and who knows how many times you can do that to your eyesight before it causes permanent damage....

theres a reason why research and testing was discontinued on that specific SARM... its crap... take the others... but still be careful, these are very new chemicals and seem to effect many beneficially and negatively to highly varying degrees.
 
I went to 70mg 4-5x a wk. Barely any vision sides at all. Everyone will have different reactions to each compound
 
I agree.... theres also been debate that anyone NOT having the vision sides likely has an underdosed product...
 
Interesting..

I mean even anabolics and/or herbals can have sides.

Everyone seems to have different feedback.
 
well like I said... pharmaceutical research on this compound was ceased for a reason... the sides were QUITE prevalent amongst a majority of their testers... its not worth my eyesight IMO>.
 
I think ostarine would be worth trying at a low dose.
 
Ostarine sounds much more promising... I plan on trying it after my next cycle AND PCT as its been found it too is slightly suppressive... wouldnt want to run it in PCT as many think they can...
 
Sourdough said:
Ostarine sounds much more promising... I plan on trying it after my next cycle AND PCT as its been found it too is slightly suppressive... wouldnt want to run it in PCT as many think they can...
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I agree, but It doesn't seem like it'd be as useful during a cut.

Ohwell, my mate will either take it or palm it off I spose! If research has stopped, I guess it's not worth it, or wouldn't be able to make it on the market. It is off how it causes vision issues.... but so does viagra in alot of cases! :|
 
AdelV said:
I agree, but It doesn't seem like it'd be as useful during a cut.

Ohwell, my mate will either take it or palm it off I spose! If research has stopped, I guess it's not worth it, or wouldn't be able to make it on the market. It is off how it causes vision issues.... but so does viagra in alot of cases! :|
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If I had s4 on hand I would probably run it starting very low and bump it up if I didn't have vision sides. I've read some reviews with people staying low dose and seeing good results. Not sure if there is anything you could take to counter any slight vision sides but would be worth researching.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
If I had s4 on hand I would probably run it starting very low and bump it up if I didn't have vision sides. I've read some reviews with people staying low dose and seeing good results. Not sure if there is anything you could take to counter any slight vision sides but would be worth researching.
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There's some kind if berry out something that was suggested for use alongside s4 cause it increases cloud flow to the eyes... Idk how effective it actually is at slowing down the sides but if you search the older sarm threads (1-2 years ago) you'll find a lot of info, mostly anecdotal but thats all we really have with a compound no longer being researched...
 
Sourdough said:
There's some kind if berry out something that was suggested for use alongside s4 cause it increases cloud flow to the eyes... Idk how effective it actually is at slowing down the sides but if you search the older sarm threads (1-2 years ago) you'll find a lot of info, mostly anecdotal but thats all we really have with a compound no longer being researched...
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I read about this, but some bloke mentioned he still got the sides. I can't remember what he was running to try counter it tho!

The sides sound awful, mainly because it makes you think it could do perm damage! Well it would make me feel this way!
 
IMO the sides on S-4 can be somewhat controlled. Everyone can be different, but in my experience doing 50mg 5 on, 2 off gives great gains with little o no vision sides. You could also go with a pulse like was mentioned. The fat loss on S-4 is incredible and it seriously outshines Ostarine in that department. Ostarine is great but it has its place just like S-4 does. When bulking Ostarine is the better choice for LBM gain. When cutting or recomping I would go with S-4 because it just seemed to strip the fat off of me. No matter what you choose, what is important is getting a LEGIT source. I have ran stuff from a couple places. One cheap and one not so cheap. All I have to say is you get what you pay for!
 
RickRock13 said:
IMO the sides on S-4 can be somewhat controlled. Everyone can be different, but in my experience doing 50mg 5 on, 2 off gives great gains with little o no vision sides. You could also go with a pulse like was mentioned. The fat loss on S-4 is incredible and it seriously outshines Ostarine in that department. Ostarine is great but it has its place just like S-4 does. When bulking Ostarine is the better choice for LBM gain. When cutting or recomping I would go with S-4 because it just seemed to strip the fat off of me. No matter what you choose, what is important is getting a LEGIT source. I have ran stuff from a couple places. One cheap and one not so cheap. All I have to say is you get what you pay for!
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huh.. i diiiid buy mine on a super cheap presale, but I will say the sides were so strong even running the same 5/2 protocol I know it wasnt bunk, if anything i think it was over dosed...

i almost wonder if you have predisposed vision problems if it reacts worse... Ive had glasses since I was 9 and currently I have -400 in each eye... blind as hell without contacts... I got yellowed vision in the very first day of taking it!
 
been mentioned multiple times throughout what guys have used....

BUT

s4 is 50-75mg ed (usually split in 2 doses if you want to have better effects a it has a short half life) for 4-8 weeks... many will dose on a 5 on 2 off fashion to delay the onset of sides... for me it didnt make a difference, sides were prevalent regardless but so were benefits.
 
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I would run a test booster after an S-4 run, but that would be all you would need
 
My mate is going to run them both low dose, & along side natadrol... his pct is erase in 4th week 1 cap, then standard & hcgenerate. Is this ok?
 
AdelV said:
My mate is going to run them both low dose, & along side natadrol... his pct is erase in 4th week 1 cap, then standard & hcgenerate. Is this ok?
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Or is it a waste to run osta during a cut?
 
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