SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

NewbieGainz said:
So no on cycle support of any kind unless needed?
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My bad, definitely need cycle support with the trest. The cycle setup looks good but we can't forget about ancillaries. Trest is a methyl and will boost your bp like crazy, armicare pro will have you covered
 
yates84 said:
My bad, definitely need cycle support with the trest. The cycle setup looks good but we can't forget about ancillaries. Trest is a methyl and will boost your bp like crazy, armicare pro will have you covered
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No problem, I definitely would have used one. I just wasn't sure what would be enough.
 
NewbieGainz said:
No problem, I definitely would have used one. I just wasn't sure what would be enough.
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Your trest dose will be the biggest factor in that, 75mg or less and that should have you covered. As the dose gets higher, you will need more coverage. I'm running 175mg of trest right now with no issues but I am on a stupid amount of ancillaries. It just depends how far you want to take it
 
With the increased BP from Trest is it a good idea to run a low dose of GW during cycle and then in PCT?
 
yates84 said:
Your trest dose will be the biggest factor in that, 75mg or less and that should have you covered. As the dose gets higher, you will need more coverage. I'm running 175mg of trest right now with no issues but I am on a stupid amount of ancillaries. It just depends how far you want to take it
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Definitely makes sense. Again, I appreciate all the help!
 
clown007 said:
With the increased BP from Trest is it a good idea to run a low dose of GW during cycle and then in PCT?
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That's exactly what I do but I would be aware of all the side effects of gw before using it, especially on cycle.
 
yates84 said:
That's exactly what I do but I would be aware of all the side effects of gw before using it, especially on cycle.
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Oh yeah? I ran GW with LGD and Alpha-Stano and had no adverse effects. What sides would one be on the lookout for? I was thinking of using GW with my Halo/Trest run in the New Year.
 
clown007 said:
Oh yeah? I ran GW with LGD and Alpha-Stano and had no adverse effects. What sides would one be on the lookout for? I was thinking of using GW with my Halo/Trest run in the New Year.
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There is a study out there that says liver repair is compromised while on gw so this could be a problem with heavy methyls. Also, not everyone's bp is effected by gw, that effect is very user dependant. GW on cycle works great for me but I feel it is irresponsible of me to reccomend gw to be used in this manner to everyone.
 
yates84 said:
There is a study out there that says liver repair is compromised while on gw so this could be a problem with heavy methyls. Also, not everyone's bp is effected by gw, that effect is very user dependant. GW on cycle works great for me but I feel it is irresponsible of me to reccomend gw to be used in this manner to everyone.
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Thanks Yates! I will definitely have to look into this further before adding it into my cycle.
 
clown007 said:
Thanks Yates! I will definitely have to look into this further before adding it into my cycle.
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vujade posted it in this thread a few weeks ago if you want to find that study.
 
DonnieM said:
Interesting. You think it could have been anything else in it, maybe dmz or other ph? I ran it myself for 10 weeks (last two was OL), but as it was my first "osta run" I have nothing to compare with.
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It felt alot like dmz but I have no way to "verify" except how it felt.
 
SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

I have Osta, LGD and RAD. Are any of these worth using if you're on TRT?
 
yates84 Great, simplified info there! I'm saving that in a file.
I have a question on dosing for my wife. After a lot of research, Ostarine was my/our first,and only, SARM. I'm 40 years old and haven't broke out with acne since around 18. She's not far behind me in age, and not acne prone either. I read that 25 MG's a day (two pills) was good for me, and half of that for her. Short story long, we quit after about a month because we both looked pubescent again. I don't see your dosing recommendations for MK-2666 in there. Is that where we went wrong?.... Also, if she were to run any of those others you listed, would it be at 1/2 the dose you posted? Thank you in advance!
 
Thoms said:
yates84 Great, simplified info there! I'm saving that in a file.
I have a question on dosing for my wife. After a lot of research, Ostarine was my/our first,and only, SARM. I'm 40 years old and haven't broke out with acne since around 18. She's not far behind me in age, and not acne prone either. I read that 25 MG's a day (two pills) was good for me, and half of that for her. Short story long, we quit after about a month because we both looked pubescent again. I don't see your dosing recommendations for MK-2666 in there. Is that where we went wrong?.... Also, if she were to run any of those others you listed, would it be at 1/2 the dose you posted? Thank you in advance!
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Rad is something g your wife should look in to. My wife is actually running rad and osta atm. Your doses don't look bad, oily skin is just one of those side effects that comes with anabolics. I get super greasy and break out whenever I cycle anything. Tbh, both of you had been taking a bigger dose of osta than necessary. Your wife can start at 5mg of osta and should see results just like you should see results with 15mg of osta. If you both want to have a mother go at sarms just let me know and I will do my best to set you up so the side effects are minimal.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Yes; I'm on TRT and using SARMs. The benefit to us is we don't have to worry about PCT.
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Interesting. Do you still take time off between cycle the same length as if you did a pct? Or can you go for example 8 week cycle, then 8 weeks rest , then hop back on?
 
If I run LGD could I get by with a non serm pct since it's apparently not harsh? For example PCT Xtreme or OL Super PCT?

Reason I'm asking is because I found primevil labs super lgd on amazon and I get free one day shipping down here and I lost my old serm source as they no longer take mastercard or paypal.
 
yates84 said:
Rad is something g your wife should look in to. My wife is actually running rad and osta atm. Your doses don't look bad, oily skin is just one of those side effects that comes with anabolics. I get super greasy and break out whenever I cycle anything. Tbh, both of you had been taking a bigger dose of osta than necessary. Your wife can start at 5mg of osta and should see results just like you should see results with 15mg of osta. If you both want to have a mother go at sarms just let me know and I will do my best to set you up so the side effects are minimal.
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Thank you for the response, and additional knowledge, yates84! I will definitely get with you in a couple of months on the sarms. I was thinking osta was more a a selective zit modulator :) but recent blood work proved to me that it's the real deal. I started taking it again recently, for about a month, hoping it would help with my back issues.Using my leftover bottle, I was only taking one pill a day this time (12.5) and quit taking it last week (acne again). I had a physical 2-3 days after stopping use, and got my labs this morning. My testosterone was 1153! I'm 40 years old and I believe my last results were around 500. Anyhow, I'll be glad to have the acne cleared, and my wife will be glad that she no longer lives with a daily stalker. haha Thanks again
 
osubucks said:
If I run LGD could I get by with a non serm pct since it's apparently not harsh? For example PCT Xtreme or OL Super PCT?

Reason I'm asking is because I found primevil labs super lgd on amazon and I get free one day shipping down here and I lost my old serm source as they no longer take mastercard or paypal.
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I would suggest a real SERM or Black Lion's natural SERM, Rebirth stacked with a decent AI like Inhibit-E or Letrone. If I wasn't on TRT, I'd never run something (including ostarine) without a real PCT lined up.
 
Thoms said:
Thank you for the response, and additional knowledge, yates84! I will definitely get with you in a couple of months on the sarms. I was thinking osta was more a a selective zit modulator :) but recent blood work proved to me that it's the real deal. I started taking it again recently, for about a month, hoping it would help with my back issues.Using my leftover bottle, I was only taking one pill a day this time (12.5) and quit taking it last week (acne again). I had a physical 2-3 days after stopping use, and got my labs this morning. My testosterone was 1153! I'm 40 years old and I believe my last results were around 500. Anyhow, I'll be glad to have the acne cleared, and my wife will be glad that she no longer lives with a daily stalker. haha Thanks again
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Your test was 1153 after osta? You stuff was/is spiked, Ostarine would suppress your testosterone.
 
CJNator said:
Your test was 1153 after osta? You stuff was/is spiked, Ostarine would suppress your testosterone.
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Damn, that's the kind of osta I need to find
 
CJNator said:
Your test was 1153 after osta? You stuff was/is spiked, Ostarine would suppress your testosterone.
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Yes sir! I have no reason to exaggerate. I don't care for osta (the one I have, only one tried) because of the acne. It's not even a vanity thing. This stuff gives me those big zits that seem like they start from 1" deep under my surface. When I get a few on my back it is uncomfortable to sit sometimes.A lot of little normal ones too. Its made by a large company, so I doubt that it's something illegal, but anythings possible. Libido through the roof as well. I liked that part. I had my wife scared of me, instead of visa versa!
 
Thoms said:
Yes sir! I have no reason to exaggerate. I don't care for osta (the one I have, only one tried) because of the acne. It's not even a vanity thing. This stuff gives me those big zits that seem like they start from 1" deep under my surface. When I get a few on my back it is uncomfortable to sit sometimes.A lot of little normal ones too. Its made by a large company, so I doubt that it's something illegal, but anythings possible. Libido through the roof as well. I liked that part. I had my wife scared of me, instead of visa versa!
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What company? I highly don't recommend using this Ostarine, it is definitely spiked with something and who know what it may even be.
 
EPG "Ostalean". I just looked at the supplement facts because I thought osta boosted testosterone. I thought I read that when I was researching it, and the sides led to believe that as well. There's a couple other things in it other than MK-2666. I'm curious now, but not curious enough to google them tonight. I've got an unfortunate date with the alarm clock in 4 hours, so shuttin er down.
 
osubucks said:
You think those are necessary?

Or would you just suggest I get dermacrine or suggest anything similar?
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They will help in PCT, yes.
Dermacrine is better utilized on cycle.

osubucks said:
If I get dermacrine would 4 pumps a day be sufficient? (Never usedit before)
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I've never used it before either, so I can't recommend dosing protocols.

osubucks said:
So are these like an alternative to dermacrine to combat any lethargy?
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No, I meant to use those in PCT with a SERM to control estrogen and boost test further.
 
yates84 said:
Doses? I love trest myself, up to 175mg atm
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I respond great even from a low dose 50mgs. I usually like to test everything by itself to so I know what does what. I would like to push the dose on it to see if benefits increase. I know back when I didn't care about legality issues the more test I took the better. Maybe Trest would treat me the same. 100 mgs is a nice dose for me stacked with 40 mgs of epistane was nice gains. Even though I like to try something solo Im thinking of going


10 weeks s4 25 mgs/lgd 8 mgs/ Trest 100mgs well that is unless I decide to go with msten. Found a us site still selling it but not sure if it's legit.
 
Jstrong20 said:
I respond great even from a low dose 50mgs. I usually like to test everything by itself to so I know what does what. I would like to push the dose on it to see if benefits increase. I know back when I didn't care about legality issues the more test I took the better. Maybe Trest would treat me the same. 100 mgs is a nice dose for me stacked with 40 mgs of epistane was nice gains. Even though I like to try something solo Im thinking of going


10 weeks s4 25 mgs/lgd 8 mgs/ Trest 100mgs well that is unless I decide to go with msten. Found a us site still selling it but not sure if it's legit.
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**disclaimer**
175mg of trest is a stupid dose and I don't reccomend anyone dose trest this high. I'm an idiot, don't be like me!

That 100mg stacked with a methyl sounds like a great idea, I think you will be real happy with that cycle. I was looking around a board sponsors site and saw dmz, 1 alpha, msten, trest, and triumph all from a new company, wondering if it's legit myself
 
yates84 said:
**disclaimer**
175mg of trest is a stupid dose and I don't reccomend anyone dose trest this high. I'm an idiot, don't be like me!

That 100mg stacked with a methyl sounds like a great idea, I think you will be real happy with that cycle. I was looking around a board sponsors site and saw dmz, 1 alpha, msten, trest, and triumph all from a new company, wondering if it's legit myself
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Yeah man PHW just got a bunch of new PH's, definitely something that needs to be looked into. Plus the first time sale of Trest (oral) at PHW!
 
yates84 said:
**disclaimer**
175mg of trest is a stupid dose and I don't reccomend anyone dose trest this high. I'm an idiot, don't be like me!

That 100mg stacked with a methyl sounds like a great idea, I think you will be real happy with that cycle. I was looking around a board sponsors site and saw dmz, 1 alpha, msten, trest, and triumph all from a new company, wondering if it's legit myself
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Lol I wouldn call it stupid dose for experienced guys if your seeing better results. Expensive... Yes. I might give the msten a shot because I've used it before so I'll know if it's legit or not. I'll report back if I do.
 
pfresh said:
Based on that photo, you guys have a he** of a stock pile. How many osta's do you have like 10 or more?
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We have a few things laying around ;)
 
Hey guys excellent thread.
I'm 3 weeks in to osta and dermacrine. I just fancied adding something in now my body is used to it.
I have derma trest, mass gh, epistane, gharine, rad and lgd on its way.
I must admit I prefer td to tablets.
Previous cycles of pmag, derma Trest plus 2 x iron legion.
I have all ancillaries sorted including TD transform nolva pct.
Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance.
 
rotherhammad said:
Hey guys excellent thread.
I'm 3 weeks in to osta and dermacrine. I just fancied adding something in now my body is used to it.
I have derma trest, mass gh, epistane, gharine, rad and lgd on its way.
I must admit I prefer td to tablets.
Previous cycles of pmag, derma Trest plus 2 x iron legion.
I have all ancillaries sorted including TD transform nolva pct.
Any thoughts?? Thanks in advance.
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I would bridge into a ph cycle, that epistane looks like a good choice
 
MK 677 question: What would be the reasons to stop taking this? (Meaning instead of a 3 month run... run it nonstop). Just curious... trying to understand all of the in's and outs of this product).
 
halljo said:
MK 677 question: What would be the reasons to stop taking this? (Meaning instead of a 3 month run... run it nonstop). Just curious... trying to understand all of the in's and outs of this product).
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Human clinical trials went up to 2 years with no adverse effects. Just sayin'
 
bighulksmash said:
I like to start at page one and read the whole thread.
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Glad you have the time to do that... I currently work, taking 3 different college classes, have a family and still workout during all of that. If I could do a in forum search for particular keywords or phrases, I would have...but the search function is too basic for this... but with 200 pages, links to other information and forums, I decided it was more prudent to ask a specific question. Sorry I offended your delicate nature... but I was sure this was a site where people could ask questions and do research on things.
If that's not the case, let me know.
 
halljo said:
Glad you have the time to do that... I currently work, taking 3 different college classes, have a family and still workout during all of that. If I could do a in forum search for particular keywords or phrases, I would have...but the search function is too basic for this... but with 200 pages, links to other information and forums, I decided it was more prudent to ask a specific question. Sorry I offended your delicate nature... but I was sure this was a site where people could ask questions and do research on things.
If that's not the case, let me know.
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no you did not offend me at all ... we usually suggest to everyone to read the whole thread , the creator is pure genius ....
it helps to grasp the concept of the sarms , all the words on the thread are knowledge just waiting to be absorbed by anyone willing to read .
always ask any question on you mind . that's what we are here for .
 
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