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SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

warpyfunch said:
it's more the duration than the dose for me, i think. it's otherwise pretty mild in other aspects, but 8 weeks of arimacare plus 4 weeks of sup3r pct has my joints, especially knees, feeling quite stiff by the end.
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2 caps of Inhibit-E is a better long-term option in my opinion. I've been using that with TRT and ostarine/LGD/etc for months on end with e2 controlled in the 20s.
 
What do you guys think about running something like:
RAD weeks1-4
Halo or Triumph weeks 5-12
Trest weeks 1-12

Too much? Too long?

Thanks guys, looking for my New Years cycle!
 
hamdysayed said:
He ain't lying with the aqua man lmao that was funny.
but yes if u don't control ur sodium mk677 will blow u up.
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1.5 weeks into Ghar1ne at 10mg a week, I gained 6 pounds with no change in calories, if anything less than normal. I was also on Test and started Tren two days after the Ghar1ne.. But I had been on Test for a while.

My hands and feet are holding quite a bit of water, they are considerably less vascular than before. My hands were puffed up to double the normal size. A few guys said sodium and potassium manipulation didn't help much, so I'm not too worried about it, but I try to watch the sodium. I also started taking 81mg Aspirin a day. I've had quite a bit of bloating in the midsection too, but I'm going to wait it out.
 
A quick question...I am starting week 5 of Ostar1ne at 20mg. Liking everything so far, definitely leaning out and strength seems good...sooooo, was wondering if I could extend the run to say maybe 10 weeks with adding in Rader1ne at 8mg for 4 weeks.

Weeks 1-8 20mg Osta
Weeks 6-10 8mg Rad

Or should I just stick to 8 weeks Osta. Or even extend Osta to 10 weeks.

Was just wondering about the extension as I probably won't cycle anything for another year, timing of everything probably won't meet again properly until then.

Thanks.
 
Shin Sprints said:
A quick question...I am starting week 5 of Ostar1ne at 20mg. Liking everything so far, definitely leaning out and strength seems good...sooooo, was wondering if I could extend the run to say maybe 10 weeks with adding in Rader1ne at 8mg for 4 weeks.

Weeks 1-8 20mg Osta
Weeks 6-10 8mg Rad

Or should I just stick to 8 weeks Osta. Or even extend Osta to 10 weeks.

Was just wondering about the extension as I probably won't cycle anything for another year, timing of everything probably won't meet again properly until then.

Thanks.
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if you're really not gonna run anything for another year, I say do it. But I think the sweet spot for rad is 12mg. But keep the osta in the whole cycle. That's just my opinion though.
 
For anyone that was wondering about mk677 and joints helping benefits.
I stopped after almost 3 month and while on there was almost 0 joint issues even with my knee issues.
now that I stopped it it's coming back Lil bit by Lil bit., also water weight and bloat is dropping slowly but steadily.
 
Shin Sprints said:
A quick question...I am starting week 5 of Ostar1ne at 20mg. Liking everything so far, definitely leaning out and strength seems good...sooooo, was wondering if I could extend the run to say maybe 10 weeks with adding in Rader1ne at 8mg for 4 weeks.

Weeks 1-8 20mg Osta
Weeks 6-10 8mg Rad

Or should I just stick to 8 weeks Osta. Or even extend Osta to 10 weeks.

Was just wondering about the extension as I probably won't cycle anything for another year, timing of everything probably won't meet again properly until then.

Thanks.
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If I'm not mistaken, most people run RAD at the beginning of their cycles because it kicks in faster and you see results from that almost immediately. Then, when you come off the RAD, the ostarine will be just starting to kick in and really work for you and you will continue to see results and make great progress.
But I just saw that you are already 5 weeks into ostarine so never mind.
 
BamBam0319 said:
If I'm not mistaken, most people run RAD at the beginning of their cycles because it kicks in faster and you see results from that almost immediately. Then, when you come off the RAD, the ostarine will be just starting to kick in and really work for you and you will continue to see results and make great progress.
But I just saw that you are already 5 weeks into ostarine so never mind.
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I had the same thought pattern. It actually might be better to start the Rad now while continuing ostarine, run it for 4 weeks, then continue ostarine 4 weeks after the Rad to solidify gains. That would still be only 12 weeks on total. That's how I would do it in that situation.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I had the same thought pattern. It actually might be better to start the Rad now while continuing ostarine, run it for 4 weeks, then continue ostarine 4 weeks after the Rad to solidify gains. That would still be only 12 weeks on total. That's how I would do it in that situation.
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I agree. That way you don't go from being on a stronger compound like rad to nothing at all and starting PCT.
 
It works both ways, a "kicker" is just as good of an idea as a "finisher" not really a wrong way to do this. I am personally a fan of the kicker to get the cycle going strong from the start.
 
yates84 said:
It works both ways, a "kicker" is just as good of an idea as a "finisher" not really a wrong way to do this. I am personally a fan of the kicker to get the cycle going strong from the start.
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If I was to add in 8mg Rad for 4 weeks on top of the 20mg Osta would PCT Clom 50/25/25 be enough?

Also, I am consuming about 2600 calories a day on Osta and leaning out, about 10% bf now...if I kept calories the same would I get any benefits out of Rad? Or should I up calories?

Need to have a look at calendar to see if I can fit Rad in but probably would run for 4 weeks at Week 6 of Osta and run the Osta for 10 weeks in total.

Thanks.
 
Shin Sprints said:
If I was to add in 8mg Rad for 4 weeks on top of the 20mg Osta would PCT Clom 50/25/25 be enough?

Also, I am consuming about 2600 calories a day on Osta and leaning out, about 10% bf now...if I kept calories the same would I get any benefits out of Rad? Or should I up calories?

Need to have a look at calendar to see if I can fit Rad in but probably would run for 4 weeks at Week 6 of Osta and run the Osta for 10 weeks in total.

Thanks.
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Pct still looks good. You could definitely take advantage of more calories if you add in that rad if you wanted to fill back out after cutting on the osta.
 
yates84 said:
Pct still looks good. You could definitely take advantage of more calories if you add in that rad if you wanted to fill back out after cutting on the osta.
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Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get best results I can with this cycle as I won't be doing anything again anytime soon.

So I have some Legend too. What if I did Legend for 6 weeks with Osta starting now. That would mean running Osta and Legend for next 6 week's for total of 10 weeks on Osta.

So basically 6 weeks 8mg Legend vs. 8mg 4 weeks Radar1ne.

Thanks again.
 
SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

Shin Sprints said:
So basically 6 weeks 8mg Legend vs. 8mg 4 weeks Radar1ne.
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I'm not sure, but most people say Osta and LGD compete for the same receptors. So I would say go for the RAD if you want to run a stack. And then run LGD solo for 8+ weeks another time. But I leave the final word to yates84 :)

Edit: Im reading now that also RAD compete for same receptors as LGD and Osta? Confused... Btw there is a log up on Osta+RAD at Invalid Link Removed
 
Question about RC Clomid.
Mine seems to be pretty viscous and thick so it is hard to get all the leftover liquid out of the dropper bottle. Is it alright to heat the bottle up slightly to get the liquid more fluid again?
 
clown007 said:
Question about RC Clomid.
Mine seems to be pretty viscous and thick so it is hard to get all the leftover liquid out of the dropper bottle. Is it alright to heat the bottle up slightly to get the liquid more fluid again?
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I'm having the same issue with clomiphene as well. I'm interested to know as well. It's weird my tamox didn't do that.
 
DonnieM said:
I'm not sure, but most people say Osta and LGD compete for the same receptors. So I would say go for the RAD if you want to run a stack. And then run LGD solo for 8+ weeks another time. But I leave the final word to yates84 :)

Edit: Im reading now that also RAD compete for same receptors as LGD and Osta? Confused... Btw there is a log up on Osta+RAD at Invalid Link Removed
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That log really isn't much of a log. lol
 
CJNator said:
No such thing as competing receptors, that's just broscience stuff.
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They appear to compete for receptors on paper but this means absolutely nothing when it comes to real world results. My original position was they shouldn't be stacked but I am slowly starting to think otherwise. I think lgd and osta just isn't a good stack even if they don't compete for receptors, rad looks to be the better sarm to stack to lgd or osta as a "kicker" to the cycle.
 
yates84 said:
They appear to compete for receptors on paper but this means absolutely nothing when it comes to real world results. My original position was they shouldn't be stacked but I am slowly starting to think otherwise. I think lgd and osta just isn't a good stack even if they don't compete for receptors, rad looks to be the better sarm to stack to lgd or osta as a "kicker" to the cycle.
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Am I your guinea pig for this?? ;)
 
yates84 idky I can't quote but yea I agree with you, LGD and osta isn't the best stack and RAD is definitely a great kicker to start a cycle. I can't remember who I asked about competing receptors but they said something about saturating the androgen receptors in the body and that it takes a lot to do that.
 
jonnypsavas said:
Would armistane be a sufficient AI on cycle for LGD?
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Yes but I would still have exemestane on hand in case of any high estrogen sides.
 
jonnypsavas said:
Okay perfect thanks guys just picked up some OL legend and ostarine. First time using SARMs. Trying to get everything figured out
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You came to the right place; these guys are geniuses.
 
pogue said:
Does MK677 shut down natural GH production after you stop using it? Or how does that work exactly?
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I'll have to take another look at the study to see the timeframe, but sometime soonish after cessation GH levels were normal.
 
clown007 said:
Question about RC Clomid.
Mine seems to be pretty viscous and thick so it is hard to get all the leftover liquid out of the dropper bottle. Is it alright to heat the bottle up slightly to get the liquid more fluid again?
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A 1Ml Oral Syringe may be better than the included dropper. I wouldn't heat anything.
 
clown007 said:
Question about RC Clomid.
Mine seems to be pretty viscous and thick so it is hard to get all the leftover liquid out of the dropper bottle. Is it alright to heat the bottle up slightly to get the liquid more fluid again?
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Boil some water, add it to a cup, submerge the clomid 3/4 of the way and let it stand until the water starts to cool a bit. At this point you can repeat the process if necessary. You can then give the bottle a light shake/swish to help disperse the elements. I would not microwave the bottle.
 
Any bad side effects? When it comes to taking 3 pills a day? What's the recommended dosage to avoid any suppression? Or shrinkage of the testicles?
 
Xcels YK11 dosages are
YK11-3mgs
MK-2887=7mgs
MK-677=7mgs
3 pills a day. I just don't want my testicles to shrink, or mess up my NT, I'm 5,10 and 185 been training for 4 years
 
Tsunamirivera said:
Xcels YK11 dosages are
YK11-3mgs
MK-2887=7mgs
MK-677=7mgs
3 pills a day. I just don't want my testicles to shrink, or mess up my NT, I'm 5,10 and 185 been training for 4 years
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Any time you mess with anything hormonal you take the risk of suppressing natural test production which can in turn cause testicular atrophy. If you are looking for an edge but don't want to mess with your hormones then grab some epic unleashed, it's non hormonal so you will get the weight/strength increases without the risk of suppression.
 
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