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SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

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Question: it seems like since I've been back in the PEDs game this post year after 5 years away, the thing to do with everything is ramp up. Why is that? Front loading used to be with thing even with kicking things off with an oral. Or does ramping up really only apply to these SARMs because we don't know as much about them and we don't know how we'll respond?
For example, I just bought 2 bottles of Mass GH with the plan of running it at 2 caps (20mg Mk) for 3 months (with an additional Legend cap to top it off), but I see the recommendation at the beginning of this thread says do 10mg for a month, 20mg for a month, then 30mg for a month.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Question: it seems like since I've been back in the PEDs game this post year after 5 years away, the thing to do with everything is ramp up. Why is that? Front loading used to be with thing even with kicking things off with an oral. Or does ramping up really only apply to these SARMs because we don't know as much about them and we don't know how we'll respond?
For example, I just bought 2 bottles of Mass GH with the plan of running it at 2 caps (20mg Mk) for 3 months (with an additional Legend cap to top it off), but I see the recommendation at the beginning of this thread says do 10mg for a month, 20mg for a month, then 30mg for a month.
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A higher dose isn't going to make sarms kick in any faster. Tapering up sarms gives you a longer cycle with potentially less side effects and still produces good gains.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Question: it seems like since I've been back in the PEDs game this post year after 5 years away, the thing to do with everything is ramp up. Why is that? Front loading used to be with thing even with kicking things off with an oral. Or does ramping up really only apply to these SARMs because we don't know as much about them and we don't know how we'll respond?
For example, I just bought 2 bottles of Mass GH with the plan of running it at 2 caps (20mg Mk) for 3 months (with an additional Legend cap to top it off), but I see the recommendation at the beginning of this thread says do 10mg for a month, 20mg for a month, then 30mg for a month.
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There's 2 reasons, for mine:
1) to mitigate adverse reactions due to side effects, from a high initial dose. MK-677 is a prime example of this, a std dose start can give you a horror first night, so half dosing for a few days can severely reduce, if not eliminate, the neg sides.
2) there's a huge variance in effective dosage experience from person to person, regardless of the compound. By ramping up you get to see where that sweet spot is, for some the initial dose is as effective as a high dose, so saving money & reducing any sides makes that approach worthwhile.

I prefer to run my compounds one at a time initially, ramping up, to gauge what works at what dose & in what way it affects me. Then it's much easier to create some really sweet stacked cycles, at best bang for buck :veryhappy:
 
yates84 said:
A higher dose isn't going to make sarms kick in any faster. Tapering up sarms gives you a longer cycle with potentially less side effects and still produces good gains.
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Gotcha. Sounds good.
cheeky1 said:
There's 2 reasons, for mine:
1) to mitigate adverse reactions due to side effects, from a high initial dose. MK-677 is a prime example of this, a std dose start can give you a horror first night, so half dosing for a few days can severely reduce, if not eliminate, the neg sides.
2) there's a huge variance in effective dosage experience from person to person, regardless of the compound. By ramping up you get to see where that sweet spot is, for some the initial dose is as effective as a high dose, so saving money & reducing any sides makes that approach worthwhile.

I prefer to run my compounds one at a time initially, ramping up, to gauge what works at what dose & in what way it affects me. Then it's much easier to create some really sweet stacked cycles, at best bang for buck :veryhappy:
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Right on. What are the sides in the horror first night you just described?
 
MK Ultra @ 20mg gave me insomnia, sweats, mad 4am hunger pangs - it was quite unpleasant. Many users in MK thread/s report the same. Some have sleeplessness for some time & a few even had to revert to daytime dosing, but most - myself included from night 2 onwards - experience deeper, more refreshing sleep.
If I didn't know better & this was what I experienced first night, i'd be inclined to drop it altogether fearing similar ongoing sides. AM posters are gold for info like that :thumbsup:
 
I finished about 11 weeks of MK at 30mg for the final 3 weeks, can't say as it made much difference over 20mg.
Ostar1ne (20mg) & LGD Elite (6mg) no noticeable sides at (std) that initial dose, other brands/products have a higher std dose & 3mg of LGD was sounding like a waste of time. Did make me hungry pretty quickly though. I will ramp up to 9mg of LGD after 3 -4 weeks at 6mg, can't comment on associated lethargy as I have neuro, sleep & adrenal disorders, so lethargy/stim abuse is part & parcel for me.
Radar1ne is next on the cards.
 
cheeky1 said:
MK Ultra @ 20mg gave me insomnia, sweats, mad 4am hunger pangs - it was quite unpleasant. Many users in MK thread/s report the same. Some have sleeplessness for some time & a few even had to revert to daytime dosing, but most - myself included from night 2 onwards - experience deeper, more refreshing sleep.
If I didn't know better & this was what I experienced first night, i'd be inclined to drop it altogether fearing similar ongoing sides. AM posters are gold for info like that :thumbsup:
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I had the opposite effect at @10mg, first week of good sleep then degraded and couldn't sleep properly. Hunger also went up a lot. In the end I stopped using.

Will maybe try again when looking more to bulk and increase in appetite would be more useful than current recomp.
 
Shin Sprints said:
I had the opposite effect at @10mg, first week of good sleep then degraded and couldn't sleep properly. Hunger also went up a lot. In the end I stopped using.

Will maybe try again when looking more to bulk and increase in appetite would be more useful than current recomp.
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Yeah, so many different reactions of varying degrees. One poster took on so much water he had to stop also. Quite often those with interrupted sleep report it settles down after about 2 weeks, but not all.
If you are aware of high sodium levels then get that under control before starting MK or you'll quite possible blow up quickly, have some potassium & Huperzine on hand. The MK lovers are big on the Huperzine addition to enable greater MK pos effect. Bit of science behind it, another thread exists on that alone.
 
cheeky1 said:
Yeah, so many different reactions of varying degrees. One poster took on so much water he had to stop also. Quite often those with interrupted sleep report it settles down after about 2 weeks, but not all.
If you are aware of high sodium levels then get that under control before starting MK or you'll quite possible blow up quickly, have some potassium & Huperzine on hand. The MK lovers are big on the Huperzine addition to enable greater MK pos effect. Bit of science behind it, another thread exists on that alone.
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That has been talked about in great detail in this thread as well.
 
YouBet33 said:
Would GW be a good addition to pct?
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Yeah man! Give your energy and endurance a boost. It actually lowers my bp and can help with lipid profile in some users. It's a perfect pct supp
 
yates84 said:
That has been talked about in great detail in this thread as well.
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Cool, I must go back & read through this to catch up, ta for the reminder.
 
BroByron said:
Would Ostarine be able to be stacked with any prohormone?
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I personally like to bridge osta into a ph cycle but stacking would be fine. I think rad would be a better sarm to stack with a ph because it kicks so fast, would be a good kicker for something like halo or even 1 andro
 
yates84 said:
I personally like to bridge osta into a ph cycle but stacking would be fine. I think rad would be a better sarm to stack with a ph because it kicks so fast, would be a good kicker for something like halo or even 1 andro
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Thanks, was curious about the safety of ot because I have a lot of prohormones and a lot of osta so I was thinking I would bridge osta into any cycle of prohormones I will do in the future
 
BroByron said:
Thanks, was curious about the safety of ot because I have a lot of prohormones and a lot of osta so I was thinking I would bridge osta into any cycle of prohormones I will do in the future
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Those are my plans as well
 
So ol uk will sadly be leaving us :( if I'm not mistaking og ol sells Ostarine? If so I assume they will stop selling it right. I prolly confused ol uk with og ol
 
BroByron said:
:( ... Smart move tho. Would hate to see the company fall out because of possible lawsuits
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Exactly. This is a very small sacrifice to ensure the longevity of OL as a whole
 
I'd really like to see the hype about these "natural" replacements tempered - it cheapens the company IMO. I get the sales angle, but come on - equal/better than a grey area, pharma drug? Not buying it. A natural alternative to LGD-4033? Ok :) Guess I'll wait and see. I've had crow before, it ain't bad :)
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'd really like to see the hype about these "natural" replacements tempered - it cheapens the company IMO. I get the sales angle, but come on - equal/better than a grey area, pharma drug? Not buying it. A natural alternative to LGD-4033? Ok :) Guess I'll wait and see. I've had crow before, it ain't bad :)
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It wasn't insinuated to be better or equal in anyway but they are gonna be good , from past products you can see we don't sell crap. Ugh oh well guess we'll all wait and see for ourselves , but I have yet to be disappointed with any of our products even the natural anabolics
 
Couldn't resist temptation, and the idea that this is both my last chance as well as an awesome sale regardless. Picked up another order, 2 each of osta and rad. Now stocked with...

4.5 bottles ostar1ne 360ct
7 bottles radar1ne

I figure worst case if the they become scarce in a couple years and I end up not using all of them myself, I could probably sell them off for 2-3x what I just paid. Win win. Dinged for another shipping fee though because of my indecisiveness the other day. Oh well.
 
Are most of the SARMs that are still left being bought up by everyone? Could someone shoot me a PM with any US stores that still carry them with a decent price? Google gives me some pretty expensive results.
 
pogue said:
Are most of the SARMs that are still left being bought up by everyone? Could someone shoot me a PM with any US stores that still carry them with a decent price? Google gives me some pretty expensive results.
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your PMs are turned off, but here:

nutri-verse.com/sarms-closeout-sale

code: BLOWOUT35

ends tonight
 
pogue said:
Are most of the SARMs that are still left being bought up by everyone? Could someone shoot me a PM with any US stores that still carry them with a decent price? Google gives me some pretty expensive results.
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Yes they are, even by us reps.

I just purchased a total of 18 bottles
 
Is the concern that they are going to become scheduled substances? I mean, obviously they can't be sold as dietary supplements but I would think they would still be available as "research" chemicals in the future.
 
pogue said:
Is the concern that they are going to become scheduled substances? I mean, obviously they can't be sold as dietary supplements but I would think they would still be available as "research" chemicals in the future.
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Still available so not sure what the big deal is. Also have not seen Anything legit talking about a ban so I wouldn't worry.
 
Jstrong20 said:
Still available so not sure what the big deal is. Also have not seen Anything legit talking about a ban so I wouldn't worry.
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So you think we just dropped our entire company over a hunch? Don't you think that there is a very good reason multiple companies are stopping production on these products? Maybe they know something that we don't?
 
yates84 said:
So you think we just dropped our entire company over a hunch? Don't you think that there is a very good reason multiple companies are stopping production on these products? Maybe they know something that we don't?
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Lol ^^^, he probably can't get it now and using skepticism as an excuse !!!
 
Jstrong20 said:
Still available so not sure what the big deal is. Also have not seen Anything legit talking about a ban so I wouldn't worry.
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Available until they are sold out...

Production is stopping on these products. So, once holding companies are sold out of their stock they won't be available anymore. There is no legit talk of a ban because that is not the main issue at this point. That is not to say it's not a very real possibility. The main issue is, as previously stated, to avoid getting cease orders or being sued into bankruptcy. They are taking the necessary steps, by pulling SARM's & moving focus, to ensure longevity in the supplement industry. I'd say OL pulling their entire UK line & PrimEvil pulling their SARM's (basically in the same day) has some legitimacy to it.
 
YatesWifey04 said:
Available until they are sold out...

Production is stopping on these products. So, once holding companies are sold out of their stock they won't be available anymore. There is no legit talk of a ban because that is not the main issue at this point. That is not to say it's not a very real possibility. The main issue is, as previously stated, to avoid getting cease orders or being sued into bankruptcy. They are taking the necessary steps, by pulling SARM's & moving focus, to ensure longevity in the supplement industry. I'd say OL pulling their entire UK line & PrimEvil pulling their SARM's (basically in the same day) has some legitimacy to it.
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I mean it does suck with shutting it down, but it's a badass sale and worst case scenarios is them bringing it back and we buy moaaaar.
win win.
 
YatesWifey04 said:
Available until they are sold out...

Production is stopping on these products. So, once holding companies are sold out of their stock they won't be available anymore. There is no legit talk of a ban because that is not the main issue at this point. That is not to say it's not a very real possibility. The main issue is, as previously stated, to avoid getting cease orders or being sued into bankruptcy. They are taking the necessary steps, by pulling SARM's & moving focus, to ensure longevity in the supplement industry. I'd say OL pulling their entire UK line & PrimEvil pulling their SARM's (basically in the same day) has some legitimacy to it.
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Well said!
 
What I just want to know is, will Ep1c Unleashed carry on?!
 
YatesWifey04 said:
Yes!! Ep1c is a natural anabolic. No worries of it going anywhere.
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That's what I thought, I was just worried and anxious because everything else good is being taken away from me :(
 
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