SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

T-Bone said:
Well I'm not a monkey so I'm waiting to see what others get out of it. I'd bet higher dosages would be better though. Once I have enough bottles I'm gonna run it at 30mg though....If I don't see anyone getting crazy side effects.
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I, too, am not a monkey. Though I think being somewhat conservative with cutting edge compounds and dosing is reasonable. You're probably right, and I'm sure like with most compounds, the more experienced you are, the more muscle you have, the higher the dosage you require. I'd be willing to bet I'm not as beastly as you, so 4/8/12mg probably isn't too bad considering my size and lack of prior PH/DS/AAS usage. Still, maybe my anecdotal reports in addition to a great many others will help us illuminate optimal dosing for attaining various goals among people with various experience levels.
 
Hastur said:
I, too, am not a monkey. Though I think being somewhat conservative with cutting edge compounds and dosing is reasonable. You're probably right, and I'm sure like with most compounds, the more experienced you are, the more muscle you have, the higher the dosage you require. I'd be willing to bet I'm not as beastly as you, so 4/8/12mg probably isn't too bad considering my size and lack of prior PH/DS/AAS usage. Still, maybe my anecdotal reports in addition to a great many others will help us illuminate optimal dosing for attaining various goals among people with various experience levels.
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Sounds reasonable. I don't plan on running it right away. Possibly in December. I bet there will be a lot of logs/experience by then with those who want to try everything new as soon as it comes out.
 
I was on the fence about running out right off the bat, or waiting for more feedback, and I figured why wait? I'm just trying to plan out the cycle and whether or not I want to stack RAD140 with other product, I know it will obscure the isolated effects of RAD140 but the possible prostate protective effects are interesting and I'm curious if such effects would be noticeable while running a DHT derivative...
 
Hastur said:
I was on the fence about running out right off the bat, or waiting for more feedback, and I figured why wait? I'm just trying to plan out the cycle and whether or not I want to stack RAD140 with other product, I know it will obscure the isolated effects of RAD140 but the possible prostate protective effects are interesting and I'm curious if such effects would be noticeable while running a DHT derivative...
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Whatever way you choose to run rad, tag me in your log. I would really like to follow
 
I am glad that I subscribed to this thread.
Flooded with info- you can never have enough of that. Talking to real people about their experiences and thoughts are far valuable than random studies.
Cheers guys! Happy gains.
 
1test said:
I am glad that I subscribed to this thread.
Flooded with info- you can never have enough of that. Talking to real people about their experiences and thoughts are far valuable than random studies.
Cheers guys! Happy gains.
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I agree entirely!

yates84 said:
Whatever way you choose to run rad, tag me in your log. I would really like to follow
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Absolutely, man! I'm excited to log! And you've been a really active rep from what I've seen, which I think is awesome.
 
Hastur said:
I agree entirely!



Absolutely, man! I'm excited to log! And you've been a really active rep from what I've seen, which I think is awesome.
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Thanks! Can't wait to see your thoughts and experience with rad
 
I really want to try the rad but figure with all my other compounds I couldn't tell of it really worked I will be running ols gw for 2 bottles
 
T-Bone said:
Well I'm not a monkey so I'm waiting to see what others get out of it. I'd bet higher dosages would be better though. Once I have enough bottles I'm gonna run it at 30mg though....If I don't see anyone getting crazy side effects.
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Im not so sure jumping right into 30mg is a good idea. What's the harm in starting lower doses first and adjusting as needed
 
Thanks for the general infos, its helpful, started my own research on mk677 but got contraddictive info.

Certain sources claims it could have negative effects on insulin sensitivity and thyroid activity.

So my question is, despite being non hormonal and not requiring a PCT, is there anything in particular that has to be used during a MK677 cycle or following it to make sure the damages are limited?

Also does the GH production gets back to normal after the cycle?

Its a really interesting compount especially for those prone to hair loss, however it seems to me that it takes extra caution using it.
 
Monte_Cristo said:
Thanks for the general infos, its helpful, started my own research on mk677 but got contraddictive info.

Certain sources claims it could have negative effects on insulin sensitivity and thyroid activity.

So my question is, despite being non hormonal and not requiring a PCT, is there anything in particular that has to be used during a MK677 cycle or following it to make sure the damages are limited?

Also does the GH production gets back to normal after the cycle?

Its a really interesting compount especially for those prone to hair loss, however it seems to me that it takes extra caution using it.
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Mk 677 does not suppress your natural gh production, it stimulates your natural production so that isn't an issue. I don't really see how it could effect the thyroid and I have never seen the insulin resistance thing ever mentioned
 
What's the best thing to combat estro sides with LGD or Osta. Would you run it alongside it?
 
JONimal said:
What's the best thing to combat estro sides with LGD or Osta. Would you run it alongside it?
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I wouldn't run anything stronger than armistane on both osta and lgd. Have exemestane on hand and only use if you get high estrogen sides. There are many benifit to keeping your estrogen high on cycle and getting estrogen too low has its own set of undesirable sides as well
 
yates84 said:
I wouldn't run anything stronger than armistane on both osta and lgd. Have exemestane on hand and only use if you get high estrogen sides. There are many benifit to keeping your estrogen high on cycle and getting estrogen too low has its own set of undesirable sides as well
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how would you dose OL TRANSFORM if estro sides starts on OSTA cycle? I have read1-2 pumps oneday on, one off for no more than 3-4weeks
 
1kerry said:
how would you dose OL TRANSFORM if estro sides starts on OSTA cycle? I have read1-2 pumps oneday on, one off for no more than 3-4weeks
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Yeah, 2 pumps should get you straight. I still like to keep exemestane on hand though. I wouldn't use formastane off cycle because it can be suppressive to the hpta
 
yates84 said:
Yeah, 2 pumps should get you straight. I still like to keep exemestane on hand though. I wouldn't use formastane off cycle because it can be suppressive to the hpta
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But I can use transform during the last 3 weeks as preventive right?
 
1kerry said:
But I can use transform during the last 3 weeks as preventive right?
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ON cycle, yes. I wouldn't touch it at all in pct
 
Yates hey thinking of during the endurashred I read that ostarine can help with joints on winny and for only a little more than gw solo seems like a great deal
 
mixedup said:
Yates hey thinking of during the endurashred I read that ostarine can help with joints on winny and for only a little more than gw solo seems like a great deal
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Some osta users do report better joints and even claim it helped them heal old and nagging injuries. I have noticed similar effects myself, especially in my lower back and elbows. I used osta for 8 weeks a few years back and it helped my deadlifts get back to 435 by the end of the cycle. I could barely pick up 135 before that cycle without being in pain. Maybe it was time for my back to heal up but I give osta some of the credit
 
Sounds good endurashred it is 30mg osta 21mg gw 60 days sounds like good addition to my precomp stack. Get some extra hardening also with out added liver stress of additional 17a
 
mixedup said:
Sounds good endurashred it is 30mg osta 21mg gw 60 days sounds like good addition to my precomp stack. Get some extra hardening also with out added liver stress of additional 17a
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You really only need 20mg of osta and 14mg of gw to be effective honestly. I would start with 2 caps and see how it goes
 
mixedup said:
I will but my previous run of gw was 20mg however that was rc
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Trust that this gw is going to be properly dosed and gw can have some mean sides if you don't ease your way into it. I found that out the hard way jumping straight on 20mg. 7mg of gw is enough for me to feel the good effects
 
yates84 said:
Trust that this gw is going to be properly dosed and gw can have some mean sides if you don't ease your way into it. I found that out the hard way jumping straight on 20mg. 7mg of gw is enough for me to feel the good effects
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what sides did you notice?
 
warpyfunch said:
what sides did you notice?
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Insomnia real bad and my bp got too low at times. I would get light headed when standing up. I might just be sensitive to gw but my experience is to start with a moderate dose
 
yates84 said:
Some osta users do report better joints and even claim it helped them heal old and nagging injuries. I have noticed similar effects myself, especially in my lower back and elbows. I used osta for 8 weeks a few years back and it helped my deadlifts get back to 435 by the end of the cycle. I could barely pick up 135 before that cycle without being in pain. Maybe it was time for my back to heal up but I give osta some of the credit
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So now that you stopped is your pain back or can you still do 435?. You must have reached 435 or more some time ago before though?
 
T-Bone said:
So now that you stopped is your pain back or can you still do 435?. You must have reached 435 or more some time ago before though?
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I was at 385 when I injured my back, just felt like something seperate in my back. I was not able to do any dead lifts for around 2 years and my lower back was in constant pain. My osta cycle helped me to start dead lifting again since I realized my pain was at a minimum and I gave dead lifts a shot again. I'm not saying it is solely responsible for healing my back, I took a lot of off time, but I do believe it helped to some degree. I am still dead lifting heavy and have been doing so since my osta cycle with no pain
 
hamdysayed said:
Yates why some ppl think that SARMs LGD ostarine etc can cause cancer or think it might?
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I believe that only gw has been linked to cancer. There are always going to be myths and misinformation floating around the internet
 
yates84 said:
I was at 385 when I injured my back, just felt like something seperate in my back. I was not able to do any dead lifts for around 2 years and my lower back was in constant pain. My osta cycle helped me to start dead lifting again since I realized my pain was at a minimum and I gave dead lifts a shot again. I'm not saying it is solely responsible for healing my back, I took a lot of off time, but I do believe it helped to some degree. I am still dead lifting heavy and have been doing so since my osta cycle with no pain
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Well anyway that's awesome for you!.
 
I see, I can't seem to get out the idea of trying lgd outta of my head.... I'm just debating and I can't find a whole lot of logs on lgd alone it's always stacked with something else.
 
yates84 said:
I believe that only gw has been linked to cancer. There are always going to be myths and misinformation floating around the internet
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Not so much a myth but it is misinformation. Large does (equivalent to 20x the dose a human would take I think) were given to mice for quite a long time and it caused cancer. But to my knowledge no studies have been done on humans, and I also doubt that of the thousands of people who have taken it, it gave them cancer
 
hamdysayed said:
I see, I can't seem to get out the idea of trying lgd outta of my head.... I'm just debating and I can't find a whole lot of logs on lgd alone it's always stacked with something else.
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Try it! I've ran it a few times solo, gained a few pounds and added some good strength. I had no side effects except for a little bit of lethargy near the end of my cycle
 
As far as I am concerned the joint reparative qualities of Osta are mostly temporary. On my first run of Ostarine (25mg ED for 7+weeks) my joints felt better than they had felt in many years. For reference, I have chronic joint pain and inflammation and will have it for life. Around three weeks after stopping the Ostarine the joint pain came back.

My second run of Ostarine (just recently finished - although currently still on 5mg ED during cycle) did not produce the same joint healing benefits. I did however experience better muscle growth and fullness. The cycle was shorter and the dose was only 20mg ED. I used the same brand on both runs but I believe the quality of the compound was different. I am basing this off of results and feel. Diet and training may also have contributed to the different results.

From my own personal experience and the bit of research I have done (non-scientific), I believe hereditary-type joint pain/injuries will only be 'healed' temporarily from Ostarine. While structural-type injuries that were from specific incidental traumas may be more likely to heal quicker and with somewhat more of a permanent effect, when Ostarine is introduced. It is also likely that acute injuries that are in the healing process may be healed quicker and with more permanent effect with Ostarine, as well.

Basically, injuries that will heal over time anyway will heal quicker with Ostarine while chronic joint pain will only be relieved temporarily. It is definitley true though that the type of joint injury (and the systemic or non-systemic reason for it) will play a big role in the type of relief that Ostarine brings during usage.

The preceding message was free bro-science brought to you by Toren.
 
yates84 said:
Try it! I've ran it a few times solo, gained a few pounds and added some good strength. I had no side effects except for a little bit of lethargy near the end of my cycle
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my main concern is the complete hpta shutdown sound too scary for not alot of muscle gains, let's say 10 lbs or 15 lbs of lean mass lol I'll pull the trigger haha
 
mechka_grizli said:
Not so much a myth but it is misinformation. Large does (equivalent to 20x the dose a human would take I think) were given to mice for quite a long time and it caused cancer. But to my knowledge no studies have been done on humans, and I also doubt that of the thousands of people who have taken it, it gave them cancer
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Agreed gw is misinformation and sarms causing cancer is a myth.
 
T-Bone said:
Oh, oops, half asleep here. I was thinking GW which isn't a sarm. Sleep deprivation results. Heat and humidity plus lack of sleep make me half retarded.
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I know what you mean! If I don't sleep around 8 hours I'm useless
 
hamdysayed said:
Yates why some ppl think that SARMs LGD ostarine etc can cause cancer or think it might?
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GW was linked to possibly causing cancer in mice when they were superdosed. From what I read the equivalent dosing for a 200lb male would be approximately 900 mg a day. Taking a 2 month supply of anything, in 24 hours isn't going to do anyone any good, no matter what you are ingesting.
 
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