Unanswered Sarms: Ads vs. Logs

locutus24

locutus24

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
What's everyone's opinion on sarms?

I've read logs on Reddit of users of sarms, and there are mixed results for muscle and strength. Some claim they are worthy alternatives to AAS, while others got almost nothing out of it, but with bad sides. Most users on Reddit haven't even touched a needle before, let alone AAS prohormones like the ones before the ban. Several mentioned how one caused blurred vision. I think it was a sarm called ostarine or something.

I researched sarms and get a huge amount of internet BB celebrities promoting them and all say the same thing: benefits of AAS with little to no sides. Almost like they all copied and pasted the information with some minor word changes.

Reason I ask is that many months ago when I was only using PHs, I bought one from a supplement store from the back shelves (i.e. banned PHs), and the guy also gave me a bonus extra supplement, called ligandrol which he said is a sarm which is similar to AAS. It sits inside my medicine cabinet in bathroom and am not sure if I want to use it ever.
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
Well, the majority of sarms are hydantoin (LGD) and aryl propionamide (osta, s4) analogs.

This means they aren’t steroids. If they’re real.

The thing is, half the sarms out for sale are not real. LGD gets faked mg for mg with dianabol and ostarine gets faked with anavar.

Now that’s funny, you have a better chance of getting real anavar by buying ostarine than by buying anavar.
 
locutus24

locutus24

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
This might sound like a joke, but do you know of any "legit companies" that sell fake sarms as anavar or dianabol?
 
BarryScott

BarryScott

Member
Awards
2
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
I wouldn't believe anything I read by some dyel nerd doing greyskull or something, posting on reddit; and I certainly wouldn't believe some fitness "celebrity" on YouTube that's being paid to promote some company's sarms or selling them themselves.
 
locutus24

locutus24

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
I wouldn't believe anything I read by some dyel nerd doing greyskull or something, posting on reddit; and I certainly wouldn't believe some fitness "celebrity" on YouTube that's being paid to promote some company's sarms or selling them themselves.
Yeah, I agree on both points. Ryan Russo is one guy who advertises sarms on YT. He just looks roided up from AAS. I have not gotten good info on subreddits on BB or PEDs. In steroids sub you can't post at first visit. You make a comment on someone else's post first day you join forum, and then wait 3 months before moderators allow you to post a question of your own.
 
Wobmarvel

Wobmarvel

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
I don't believe anavar is used to fake ostarine one bit. Given that every single sold ostarine is sold way cheaper than true anavar would need to be.
 
Wobmarvel

Wobmarvel

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
My personal opinion on sarms is if you nail diet, training and rest they will help you reach your natural potential in less time. If your taking something and seeing crazy results in four weeks it isn't a sarm.
 
locutus24

locutus24

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
I don't believe anavar is used to fake ostarine one bit. Given that every single sold ostarine is sold way cheaper than true anavar would need to be.
I think the price for a bottle of ligandrol is like 60-70 usd. Anavar is like 50-60 for a week's worth from what I read. Haven't taken anavar yet.
 

jrock645

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • RockStar
I think the price for a bottle of ligandrol is like 60-70 usd. Anavar is like 50-60 for a week's worth from what I read. Haven't taken anavar yet.
Ive gotten var from a reputable company for far less than that.
 
Hyde

Hyde

Legend
Awards
5
  • RockStar
  • Legend!
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • First Up Vote
I wouldn't believe anything I read by some dyel nerd doing greyskull or something, posting on reddit; and I certainly wouldn't believe some fitness "celebrity" on YouTube that's being paid to promote some company's sarms or selling them themselves.
I wish I could like this comment, multiple times at that
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
What's everyone's opinion on sarms?

I've read logs on Reddit of users of sarms, and there are mixed results for muscle and strength. Some claim they are worthy alternatives to AAS, while others got almost nothing out of it, but with bad sides. Most users on Reddit haven't even touched a needle before, let alone AAS prohormones like the ones before the ban. Several mentioned how one caused blurred vision. I think it was a sarm called ostarine or something.

I researched sarms and get a huge amount of internet BB celebrities promoting them and all say the same thing: benefits of AAS with little to no sides. Almost like they all copied and pasted the information with some minor word changes.

Reason I ask is that many months ago when I was only using PHs, I bought one from a supplement store from the back shelves (i.e. banned PHs), and the guy also gave me a bonus extra supplement, called ligandrol which he said is a sarm which is similar to AAS. It sits inside my medicine cabinet in bathroom and am not sure if I want to use it ever.
Well im on day 5 of an Ostarine/MK677 stack.....previously used PH's/Dbol etc and being 44 was a bit sceptical about Sarms. Well all i can say is that at the moment I feel more refreshed, more energy, way better mood/calmness and Libido has shot up...oh and my recovery times are that of when i was in my 20's....I s**t you not. Might have very slight water retention but hardly noticable if im honest. So far i am very impressed and if the rest of the cycle goes like this i am going to be very happy and most likely be using MK677 for a very very long time. So it a plus for me at the moment....we'll see what gains will be like in due course.
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
I don't believe anavar is used to fake ostarine one bit. Given that every single sold ostarine is sold way cheaper than true anavar would need to be.
And the fact that ostarine itself is actually more expensive than actual anavar...

Yeah no. They use the cheaper one to fake the more expensive one. Anavar as a raw is cheaper than ostarine as a raw. For sure.
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
I can get 5g of real oxandrolone raw for under 70 or I can pay $30 a gram for real ostarine. And that’s the cheapest I’ve ever found anywhere. Anywhere.
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
This guy talks a little here about what we on.. I guess let’s say the other side of the transaction have known for awhile and been talking about.



The gist of fake sarms is: if it works really well, it was steroids. If it “only works if your diet and training are on point” it was nothing.
 
locutus24

locutus24

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
I can get 5g of real oxandrolone raw for under 70 or I can pay $30 a gram for real ostarine. And that’s the cheapest I’ve ever found anywhere. Anywhere.
Sounds much cheaper in raw form than pre made form. Place I get my stuff sells 1/2 gram for 40. I don't know of many domestic places that carry raw, but quite a few from China.
 
locutus24

locutus24

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
Man, there are even ads for sarms on this thread. Provenpeptides Pure Testalone The World's MOST Anabolic SARM only $44.99.
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
Sounds much cheaper in raw form than pre made form. Place I get my stuff sells 1/2 gram for 40. I don't know of many domestic places that carry raw, but quite a few from China.
That’s direct from China and the same place carries both, I tried their anavar and ostarine (and Lgd) last year separately as raws. Both were actually real. The anavar passed a roidtest very quickly. The ostarine was deemed real by default after that as generally anyone selling real anavar is selling real everything else.

That being said, the anavar was fun, did what I remember anavar to do.

The ostarine didn’t do much at all that was noticeable at up to 30mg.


Later I tried another brand of ostarine and Lgd, which also didn’t really do much, til I stacked them. So I’d imagine real as well, since that Lgd DEFINITELY was not dianabol or any PH I’ve ever felt. I’ve taken plenty of dianabol to know... I mean I felt nothing on either solo. Seriously zero. Then stacking them, it was a whole different world. That falls in line with the reports I’ve seen of real sarms. Probably underdosed though.
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
A lot of places just fake all sarms with either tamoxifen or ATD or both, letro sometimes as well.
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
All I know is that the company I got my Sarms from actually make them in the UK in a Pharma facility and raws arent imported from China or elsewhere. Probably why i dont feel like crap at the moment.
 
Wobmarvel

Wobmarvel

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
A lot of places just fake all sarms with either tamoxifen or ATD or both, letro sometimes as well.
Im more inclined to believe this, given that 9 out of 10 times anavar is faked or replaced with a cheaper steroid like winstrol it makes no sense for shady sellers to sell anavar as ostarine, surely they would use even cheaper compounds. Just my opinion though obviously.
 
solidsnake

solidsnake

Well-known member
Awards
2
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
It’s true what ow says about the prices of var and osta. I buy from the same place, var is half the price
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
Or at least what they are telling you is var
Already been duped before over a decade ago. I know the difference.

Unless there’s something in there I’ve never tried, which is almost nothing, I’ll know what it is for sure after just a few days or even less in some cases. If it’s dianabol instead of anything I’ll know as soon as I take it. I’ll be puking when it kicks in. Winstrol, joints will hurt, pretty much right away for me... Anadrol, I’ll become a fat angry acne ridden mess in a week.

Anavar has totally unnoticeable side effects for me and it has very strong pumps and strength gains. The best thing to fake it with would be tbol. And the difference there is real anavar will have me pretty lean pretty quickly.
 
Wobmarvel

Wobmarvel

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
Already been duped before over a decade ago. I know the difference.

Unless there’s something in there I’ve never tried, which is almost nothing, I’ll know what it is for sure after just a few days or even less in some cases. If it’s dianabol instead of anything I’ll know as soon as I take it. I’ll be puking when it kicks in. Winstrol, joints will hurt, pretty much right away for me... Anadrol, I’ll become a fat angry acne ridden mess in a week.

Anavar has totally unnoticeable side effects for me and it has very strong pumps and strength gains. The best thing to fake it with would be tbol. And the difference there is real anavar will have me pretty lean pretty quickly.
Sounds like you have it sussed. Any chance at some point you could take some anadrol and post pics a week or so down the line? Sounds interesting.
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
Sounds like you have it sussed. Any chance at some point you could take some anadrol and post pics a week or so down the line? Sounds interesting.
Not one chance in hell. I hate Anadrol. Won’t use it. No purpose to me.
 
locutus24

locutus24

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
Well im on day 5 of an Ostarine/MK677 stack.....previously used PH's/Dbol etc and being 44 was a bit sceptical about Sarms. Well all i can say is that at the moment I feel more refreshed, more energy, way better mood/calmness and Libido has shot up...oh and my recovery times are that of when i was in my 20's....I s**t you not. Might have very slight water retention but hardly noticable if im honest. So far i am very impressed and if the rest of the cycle goes like this i am going to be very happy and most likely be using MK677 for a very very long time. So it a plus for me at the moment....we'll see what gains will be like in due course.
You think most of gains are from mk677? I thought that was some human growth secretagogue? Not a sarm!
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
You think most of gains are from mk677? I thought that was some human growth secretagogue? Not a sarm!
I didnt say i had any 'Gains' yet i said i'd noticed better recovery, mood, libido and generally feeling like a fog has lifted with more energy. I hope i see some minor bodily improvements from the Ostarine in weeks to come and down the line maybe some fat loss from the MK677 and it isnt a Sarm. I havent experienced any crazy water retention and am using a GDA made up of Berberine HCL and Banana Leaf Extract. Also using Arm1care Pro (Old Version) and have felt much better now im not using a product with Hawthorne Berry as it made me feek like crap.

I also smashed myself in the gym today and then did a hard run straight after. If I wake up and ready to go again tomorrow then i know its this combo as usually a session i did today would kill me for days. We shall see??
 
locutus24

locutus24

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
I didnt say i had any 'Gains' yet i said i'd noticed better recovery, mood, libido and generally feeling like a fog has lifted with more energy. I hope i see some minor bodily improvements from the Ostarine in weeks to come and down the line maybe some fat loss from the MK677 and it isnt a Sarm. I havent experienced any crazy water retention and am using a GDA made up of Berberine HCL and Banana Leaf Extract. Also using Arm1care Pro (Old Version) and have felt much better now im not using a product with Hawthorne Berry as it made me feek like crap.
Okay, gotcha. So feeling good and recovery. Keep us updated on the improvements.
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
Okay, gotcha. So feeling good and recovery. Keep us updated on the improvements.
Will do buddy. We'll see how i feel in the morning. If all good id urge anyone over 40 to give MK677 a whirl. Will also be doing BG and BP first thing will see if its same as Day 2 or better??
 
Wobmarvel

Wobmarvel

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
Will do buddy. We'll see how i feel in the morning. If all good id urge anyone over 40 to give MK677 a whirl. Will also be doing BG and BP first thing will see if its same as Day 2 or better??
I love the stuff, although not as a cycle per se. It always has me feeling more upbeat and energetic... And hungry. I also used it post op after my hernia surgery and I feel it helped with the recovery, although I haven't had surgery without it to compare.
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
I love the stuff, although not as a cycle per se. It always has me feeling more upbeat and energetic... And hungry. I also used it post op after my hernia surgery and I feel it helped with the recovery, although I haven't had surgery without it to compare.
Spot on. Its great stuff...havent used any supplement thats given such good all round effects. Will be running it for rest of year now.
 
Hyde

Hyde

Legend
Awards
5
  • RockStar
  • Legend!
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • First Up Vote
Will do buddy. We'll see how i feel in the morning. If all good id urge anyone over 40 to give MK677 a whirl. Will also be doing BG and BP first thing will see if its same as Day 2 or better??
Watch that fasted glucose. Mine cannot be controlled naturally on MK677. After 3 months of Mk it rose up from 93 to 103 fasted despite losing almost 30lbs, a very significant amount of it bodyfat, adding in 2+ hours of cardio per week, more fibers & improved focus on nutrient timing, plus daily Berberine and Citrus Bergamot.

Dropped it a week ago and already down to 96, for comparison.
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
Watch that fasted glucose. Mine cannot be controlled naturally on MK677. After 3 months of Mk it rose up from 93 to 103 fasted despite losing almost 30lbs, a very significant amount of it bodyfat, adding in 2+ hours of cardio per week, more fibers & improved focus on nutrient timing, plus daily Berberine and Citrus Bergamot.

Dropped it a week ago and already down to 96, for comparison.
A little IGF1 lr3 or Lantus would fix that right up.
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
Watch that fasted glucose. Mine cannot be controlled naturally on MK677. After 3 months of Mk it rose up from 93 to 103 fasted despite losing almost 30lbs, a very significant amount of it bodyfat, adding in 2+ hours of cardio per week, more fibers & improved focus on nutrient timing, plus daily Berberine and Citrus Bergamot.

Dropped it a week ago and already down to 96, for comparison.
Thanks for the heads up will be keeping an eye on it all the way through and like yourself am havibg high fiber, decent amount of potassium, only brown rice/pasta etc. Some people it seems to stabilise after a few weeks...guess that didnt happen with you.
 
Hyde

Hyde

Legend
Awards
5
  • RockStar
  • Legend!
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • First Up Vote
Thanks for the heads up will be keeping an eye on it all the way through and like yourself am havibg high fiber, decent amount of potassium, only brown rice/pasta etc. Some people it seems to stabilise after a few weeks...guess that didnt happen with you.
It may have been stable possibly, but 103 is still too high to live at over years for me, so I’ll take 93 and skip the Mk.
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
It may have been stable possibly, but 103 is still too high to live at over years for me, so I’ll take 93 and skip the Mk.
103 is a fraction into the Prediabeties zone..not majorly high but the fact it returned to normal is good so thats a positive and understand why you came off it. I wont be on MK677 forever and will be taking breaks from it for the exact reason i dont want to mess my blood sugars permanently. From the studies ive seen theres not been anyone whos ended up diabetic from use??
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
103 is a fraction into the Prediabeties zone..not majorly high but the fact it returned to normal is good so thats a positive and understand why you came off it. I wont be on MK677 forever and will be taking breaks from it for the exact reason i dont want to mess my blood sugars permanently. From the studies ive seen theres not been anyone whos ended up diabetic from use??
No but GH use has caused diabetes, and if mk is combined with ghrhs or ghrps it may do the same. Prolonged insulin insensitivity will kill off beta cells which have been overstimulated to produce insulin for too long.
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
No but GH use has caused diabetes, and if mk is combined with ghrhs or ghrps it may do the same. Prolonged insulin insensitivity will kill off beta cells which have been overstimulated to produce insulin for too long.
I dont plan to run any GHRP or other peptides and Im running MK677 at 10mg and seeing some nice results so not going kick the ass out of it. Its good though these things can be disscussed so people know the risks and dont eat supplements like sweets.
 
Hyde

Hyde

Legend
Awards
5
  • RockStar
  • Legend!
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • First Up Vote
No but GH use has caused diabetes, and if mk is combined with ghrhs or ghrps it may do the same. Prolonged insulin insensitivity will kill off beta cells which have been overstimulated to produce insulin for too long.
This is my exact reasoning. Guys who use GH need to be using insulin to stay safe. I don’t intend to use insulin just to manage MK usage, or fork out cash for IGF1 when I can just rotate MK in and out on an as-needed basis.
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
This is my exact reasoning. Guys who use GH need to be using insulin to stay safe. I don’t intend to use insulin just to manage MK usage, or fork out cash for IGF1 when I can just rotate MK in and out on an as-needed basis.
I'm inclined to agree.

Im using it to give me a shot in the arm and its working. I'll also be using it as and when.
 

Anabaholic

Member
Awards
2
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
Watch that fasted glucose. Mine cannot be controlled naturally on MK677. After 3 months of Mk it rose up from 93 to 103 fasted despite losing almost 30lbs, a very significant amount of it bodyfat, adding in 2+ hours of cardio per week, more fibers & improved focus on nutrient timing, plus daily Berberine and Citrus Bergamot.

Dropped it a week ago and already down to 96, for comparison.
You used mk677 to cut? Did it make you hungry all the time?

Have you gone back down to 93 or below yet?
 
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
I'm inclined to agree.

Im using it to give me a shot in the arm and its working. I'll also be using it as and when.
I’m taking a shot in the arm as a shot in the arm. Its working, too.
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
I’m taking a shot in the arm as a shot in the arm. Its working, too.
😂......Good stuff.

Just checked my BG and its 99.0 so within the lower range. Doesnt appear the MK677 has sent it soaring which pleases me.

Have just taken my Blood Pressure as well....baring in mind i have been up for last 30 minutes running around making breakfast for kids and getting them ready for school and had poor sleep as one was sick last last...123/77. I'll take that thank you.
 
Last edited:
Old Witch

Old Witch

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
😂......Good stuff.

Just checked my BG and its 99.0 so within the lower range. Doesnt appear the MK677 has sent it soaring which pleases me.

Have just taken my Blood Pressure as well....baring in mind i have been up for last 30 minutes running around making breakfast for kids and getting them ready for school and had poor sleep as one was sick last last...123/77. I'll take that thank you.
Yup, looks good.
 
Hyde

Hyde

Legend
Awards
5
  • RockStar
  • Legend!
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • First Up Vote
You used mk677 to cut? Did it make you hungry all the time?

Have you gone back down to 93 or below yet?
I wasn’t using it to cut so much as using it to heal my surgically reattached distal bicep tendon in conjunction with TB500 & BPC157 healing peptides. But when you can’t lift heavy, you aren’t going to maintain muscle anyway, so I took the opportunity to slice some bodyfat off.

Yes it made me hungrier, but it sure made getting vegetables in easy when you’re starving every fucking day

Fasting glucose already down to 96 yesterday, a week after dropping MK with no other changes. Appetite definitely more manageable as well.

Have also noticed slight muscle fullness/pump feeling in arms today so another plus.
Definitely will add some fullness and pumps due to elevated IGF1. You will stay full easier as well.
 

jim2509

Active member
Awards
3
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
I wasn’t using it to cut so much as using it to heal my surgically reattached distal bicep tendon in conjunction with TB500 & BPC157 healing peptides. But when you can’t lift heavy, you aren’t going to maintain muscle anyway, so I took the opportunity to slice some bodyfat off.

Yes it made me hungrier, but it sure made getting vegetables in easy when you’re starving every fucking day

Fasting glucose already down to 96 yesterday, a week after dropping MK with no other changes. Appetite definitely more manageable as well.



Definitely will add some fullness and pumps due to elevated IGF1. You will stay full easier as well.
I havent had the crazy hunger feelings and BG is only ever so slightly elevated. Then again im taking 10mg. What dose did you run?

Am enjoying the fullness and now its kicked in i reckon pump tomorrow will be interesting.
 

Similar threads


Top