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Sarm S4

Billberry
 
Does anyone know if SS ship to Europe ? their site doesnt stipulate.
Really intrested in this chemical , im to old for gear now.
 
Theoretically, if one were sick of injecting his 150 mg of test cyp a week, could one make a progression into SARMS (20-25 mg/day????) to replace TRT and achieve identical results?
 
SARM S4 and HCG

Can someone advise if it's reasonably safe to use SARM S4 with HCG & Armidex?

I put a post up about it in the IGF/GH section titled "SARM S4 and HCG (TRT)."

Thanks
 
So, if these vision problems are due to methanol poisoning, does anyone know if there are any batches of S-4 floating around without methanol?.. would definitely be the only way I'd consider taking it.
 
I was planning on running Sarms at 40-50mg / day. Do most people split the dose? One in the morning and one at night (total of 40 or 50mg per day)?
 
junkyarddogzz said:
im using the sarmssearch brand.....good stuff.
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A search of that brand name brings up a website that takes you directly to a paypal checkout screen. The product description says "Acetamidoxolutamide Sample 30ML 100mg/ML $149.99." Does this sound like the correct reseach product? I thought it was 60ML and 50mg/ML...
 
Harley said:
A search of that brand name brings up a website that takes you directly to a paypal checkout screen. The product description says "Acetamidoxolutamide Sample 30ML 100mg/ML $149.99." Does this sound like the correct reseach product? I thought it was 60ML and 50mg/ML...
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Acetamidoxolutamide = sarms s4.

30ml 100mg/ml = 60ml 50mg/ml. No difference, just a higher concentration per ML.
 
My S4 experience after 5 weeks

I have been following this thread for a while and have never posted here but thought you would like to know about a complete experience.

I am 5'10" 214-218lbs and 38 years old. I was on a 66 week cycle of test prior to taking S4. I came off the test cycle by tapering down to 250mg/week and just used a little HCG and about 6 weeks of clomid. I recovered well and then started S4.

I took 25mg once per day in the morning.

After one month I had noticeable gains. Body weight stayed within the same range but strength was way up. My squat is actually higher now than when I was on. Deadlift is just a tiny bit below where it was. My bench has a little bit more to go before it is also the same. Not too impressive numbers here if you are wondering 455 squat, 575 dead, 335 bench.

Problems with my eyesight took about two weeks before they got annoying. First my night vision started to decrease a bit and then I started seeing weird spots in the dark when I was sleeping - really bizarre. I also experienced a bit of blurry vision in my right eye.

After I stopped taking S4 my vision returned to normal in three days.

After starting my second cycle of S4 vision problems came back in two weeks although not entirely as bad just yet. I am currently 17 days into the second cycle.

Body composition wise it is pretty easy for me to see a difference in size. My ex-girlfriend who doesn't see me all the time was asking me how much stuff I was taking and wasn't entirely convinced that I wasn't on. She also said I looked leaner but I am also taking 2iu of HGH and have been for 10 weeks but the strength gains and the leaning out really didn't occur until two weeks into starting S4.

Workouts are amazingly satisfying in terms of the pumps I am getting. Endurance is very good. My strength my assistance exercises are actually higher than when I was on amazingly. By assistance exercises I mean exercises outside of the main movements for powerlifting.

My thoughts on S4 is that it definitely works - pretty unmistakable results. The vision problems really suck though. I don't know if my night vision ever gets fully adjusted after being in the dark for a while.

If the S4 I have is Andarine I can't wait for the more powerful ones to become available as the vision problems are not something I am too comfortable with and will probably take a month off before going on the stuff again once I am finished with my second cycle.

Wikipedia says that development of Andarine has been abandoned because of a toxic metabolite. Maybe this toxic metabolite is responsible for the vision issues? Clomid also has ocular toxicity as well but I haven't heard of anyone having any long term effects from taking too much of that - still though stating the drug is toxic is unsettling.

There are some other benefits of Andarine I didn't know about according to Wikipedia:

In an animal model of benign prostatic hypertrophy, andarine was shown to reduce prostate weight with similar efficacy to finasteride, but without producing any reduction in muscle mass or anti-androgenic side effects.[3] This suggests that it is able to competitively block binding of dihydrotestosterone to its receptor targets in the prostate gland, but its partial agonist effects at androgen receptors prevent the side effects associated with the anti-androgenic drugs traditionally used for treatment of BPH.
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If you search for Ostarine that is currently in clinical trials by GTx and is their second SARM they have developed - hopefully this will become available soon and doesn't have the toxicity associated with it and I think I read somewhere that it is stronger.

Thats all I can think of...hope this is useful info...
 
WHAT is the MOA of the S-4. How can something non liver toxic be so effective at low MG doses!?!? How does it get thru the guy undestroyed?
 
I think most people use way too much of anything because of all the misinformation that just perpetuates itself form repeating what someone else writes over and over. The mindset of using more than enough is probably the thinking.

For my first cycle I thought 500mg/week was way too much based on what the body naturally produces. I took 75mg prop EOD which averages to 262.5mg/week and went from 175-180lbs to 200-205lbs which was a huge gain for me. In later cycles I went close to 2 grams a week stacking test/tren/eq/winny with anavar and got great results gaining almost 30lbs but I actually did even better than that just using test and tren and nothing else at 500-600mg test and 200-250mg/tren where I got my biggest gaining well over 30lbs...
 
Forgot to mention...I've also seen the same results in friends that have done monster cycles and yes they worked but barely better than lesser cycles...From my experience and from what I have seen in others is that everything works but your body can only gain so much muscle.
 
Did see any shut down after running the S4? I am near the end of a 6 week cycle and would like to know what to expect. I have Nolva and Clomid ready just in case.
 
Perhaps an ignorant questions but.......

Were'nt Sarms created to replace Test and all the functions of Test?
Specifically, weren't they designed to replace Test for TRT patients!?!?
If not, why were they even created?
 
A little birdie told me there will be a new SARM available in 45 to 60 days, the name is S1174 or Ostarine but I am sure they will not call it Ostarine. I also read that GTX won't be selling Ostarine, it seems they are afraid it has potential for abuse.
Dosages are from 3mg to 5mg daily and supposedly there are no negative side effects.
 
Maradona said:
A little birdie told me there will be a new SARM available in 45 to 60 days, the name is S1174 or Ostarine but I am sure they will not call it Ostarine. I also read that GTX won't be selling Ostarine, it seems they are afraid it has potential for abuse.
Dosages are from 3mg to 5mg daily and supposedly there are no negative side effects.
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Keep us posted.
 
A pretty unique product. Have had really intense workouts since I started. I gives me a solid feeling in my muscles. I put on about 5 pounds total, but stayed very lean which I like. No sides to report (other than the vision thing) but you really know that your on something. During every PH cycle in the past I have gotten sick and that has not occurred with this product. I have been taking it for quite a while and really don't want to stop. My bottle will run out in about 2 weeks so I will report back then.
 
hugeswole said:
A pretty unique product. Have had really intense workouts since I started. I gives me a solid feeling in my muscles. I put on about 5 pounds total, but stayed very lean which I like. No sides to report (other than the vision thing) but you really know that your on something. During every PH cycle in the past I have gotten sick and that has not occurred with this product. I have been taking it for quite a while and really don't want to stop. My bottle will run out in about 2 weeks so I will report back then.
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same here, what brand did you use.
 
Actually I started out with a bottle from the lion but now i use the SS brand. I noticed that the vision sides decreased on the SS bottle.

Started at 50 mg ed and got as high as 100 some days. I like at least 30 preworkout, 50 is better though. 3 days a week I workout twice, I was doing 50mg 2x on those days and really started to bulk up at that dose. I've been sticking with the 30mg before every workout and that seams to work really well. Love this stuff.
 
hugeswole said:
Actually I started out with a bottle from the lion but now i use the SS brand. I noticed that the vision sides decreased on the SS bottle.

Started at 50 mg ed and got as high as 100 some days. I like at least 30 preworkout, 50 is better though. 3 days a week I workout twice, I was doing 50mg 2x on those days and really started to bulk up at that dose. I've been sticking with the 30mg before every workout and that seams to work really well. Love this stuff.
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By how much did the vision sides decrease, and how is your vision now?
 
hugeswole said:
Actually I started out with a bottle from the lion but now i use the SS brand. I noticed that the vision sides decreased on the SS bottle.

Started at 50 mg ed and got as high as 100 some days. I like at least 30 preworkout, 50 is better though. 3 days a week I workout twice, I was doing 50mg 2x on those days and really started to bulk up at that dose. I've been sticking with the 30mg before every workout and that seams to work really well. Love this stuff.
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I like the 60-70mg range.
 
This stuff maske you hungry or the opposite? Also, any lethargy/tiredness?
 
JunkYardDogzz ??


Whacked said:
Perhaps an ignorant questions but.......

Were'nt Sarms created to replace Test and all the functions of Test?
Specifically, weren't they designed to replace Test for TRT patients!?!?
If not, why were they even created?
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Sorry to belabor this point, but every function? THe reaosn I'm asking is Im contemplating getting off my TRT (just for 3 months or so) as to take a break from these injections.
 
I've noticed S4 is seems MUCH more effective during a cut. My muscles are hard, I'm getting lean as hell, my endurance and energy are way up, and my veins are popping.
 
Thanks Junk. Appreciate it. Fair question.... do you have any affiliation with any of these SARMS companies? No disrespect intened at all.
 
is it true that that s4 can help joints/tendons and ligaments?
 
I just wanted to write a follow up on my experience with this product.

I finished my cycle a few days ago and have noticed some shut down. No bloodwork, but you can tell when your stuff doesn't work right that your levels are off. I'm not sure how bad it is going to be, I am hoping for a quick recovery period.

I really sort of expected this would happen. I saw some great gains from SARMS and really you can't expect a product to work this well and have no effect at all when you stop taking it.

Anyway running the Nolva/Clomid and hoping that my gf doesn't notice before I get back to normal.
 
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